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| RunitTwice posted in Pot Limit Omaha: Constructing Mono Flop Cbet range
CO: $734.24 (Hero)
Hero raises to $16.50, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls $10.50
In my mind, I d like to bet the flop with hands like that, because you get barely c/r on these boards, but cc cx bet alot on, so hands of this strength I m inducing floats, to catch a bluff river bet.
I felt dumb on the turn mucking it, because if I fold this turn, I can fold the flop as well?!
Nov. 5, 2013 | 11:15 a.m.
Good point, its 4 cards giving us the FH and I feel like a 6 is very good for us as well, so its 7 "outs" already + 1/10 of an Ace of Hearts 8).
Flop seems like it could go either way. The more likely he is to barrel off vs our x back range on K63 mono the more I like ch fl ca, ca. Same could be said if he's x/r'ing these flops w/ a high freq(you run into those guys sometimes).As played your line seems good.
| RunitTwice posted in Pot Limit Omaha: c/r flop and give up?
BB: $426.57 (Hero)
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $12, SB folds, Hero calls $8
Nov. 5, 2013 | 11:11 a.m.
I'd fold pre to 3x from a player who doesn't steal a lot (would defend vs min-raise). On the flop you can argue for both c/r and c/c, which usually means there's a close decision.
In close decisions, use Villain's tendencies as a tiebreaker, because these are generally the spots where reads matter the most. The strategies for your best and worst hands won't change much with opponent type, but the value of close spots can easily swing from +EV to -EV (or the opposite) based on your particular opponent.
A particularly interesting question to ask is: How often do I get to realize my equity?
If Villain will barrel turn a lot when called, then check-calling weak'ish draws becomes less attractive, and you can adjust by slotting more of them into the c/r range. If he fights back hard against check-raises too, that might not work out too well, but then you can bluff less, shift the action towards your good hands, and let him spew against those.
If he plays turns passively after getting called, you'll find more profitable flop check-calling spots. You get to realize equity more often, and will have more river bluffing opportunities.
If you don't know how he plays vs check-raises or check-calls, then you'll just have to experiment and find out. Check-call looks flop ok here, with a gutter and set outs. As played, you're on your own. ;-)
love2playu is very good player that was playing 2 years ago high stakes and now plays low/mid stakes as I noticed... He is very aggressive and also gives up hands where he isn't that strong... I was playing several hands with him zoom 1 2.... He seems to be nice guy also...
Check raise him 100 BB deep with baby FD and gutter OTF is not super wise in my opinion... He is not folding AKQ9 with bdfd type hand....
Secondly, I would not lead and then fold OTT ever... Easy c/c IF not c/f....
When you think of his range OTF:
if he's on FD - you r drawing dead
if he smoothly called your c/r he could easily have AA (waited for non spade turn to trap you) or AKsBCs hand (trapping again) - you r not in good shape...
Also OTT he knows he is most of the time better than you + he figured out u r on FD+(gutter) vs his two pairs with maybe one FD.
I personally think c/r OTF was bit optimistic + your hand could be played HU IP preflop (limp mode vs early position that bet e.g. 2BB and you r in BN), but NOT OOP vs preflop FP raiser (BN)...
| RunitTwice posted in Pot Limit Omaha: Std 3b pot AA spot
BN: $947.04 (Hero)
UTG folds, HJ raises to $18, CO calls $18, Hero raises to $81, SB folds, BB folds, HJ calls $63, CO calls $63
Nov. 5, 2013 | 11:09 a.m.
....you're not the boss of me now.....life is unfaaiiirr.......given we dont have a bdfd my gut says we cant continue. how wide do you think he is x/r'ing?Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)board: Jd9c3hHandEquityWinsTiesAhAs7dKs27.96%167,568409QJT, q9t, QT$M$M, QT$B$B, j9, 99, jj, 33RR, Qt8, t87, KKT8, KKQT, JT7: cc, Jt8: 20% ! AA
when were bet folding here we are bf a lot of equity and would probably like to see a turn. perhaps xb isnt so bad, or we can bet $90 (half of fish remianing stack) and judge based off that
Think it's a fold.
Flop kind of depends how you want to structure your range for these spots. In a vacuum checking or betting 90 seem better than 156. AAK7 seems like it falls in the check column from a range perspective.
SB: $652.70 (Hero)
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $12, BN raises to $45, Hero calls $42, BB folds, CO calls $33
after him calling, I was suspicious with what he d do that, guessed some turned fd
=> he bets the river 200 into 309, KK/AA every so unlikely would probably check behind the river, so he reps a super random 7 he may checked behind or a busted fd...
Nov. 5, 2013 | 11:04 a.m.
In my experience, usually only fish bluff in these spots since it is just a bad card to try to rep much. All draws missed so regs would probably expect a bluff to get looked up here too much. I used to default to always bluff catching my overpairs in these spots but it feels like I almost always get shown a 7.
I do think he could go for thin value with AA/KK on this river after you check though because your hand looks very much like a bluff catcher once you bet turn, then check river.
why is the table target a table target? is he a station? if hes fit foldy i dont mind a lead w/ our potential blockers, as most regs will check this back unless they have a decent piece (tho i may be going overboard w/ this). if hes stationy id bet quite a bit larger on the turn if you're betting, i dont think this gets thru that often and its just the reg x flop back w/ something moderate that cant stand heat because its 3way.
| RunitTwice posted in Pot Limit Omaha: Basic Overpair on lowpaired board
HJ: $2178 (Hero)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $30, CO calls $30, BN folds, SB folds, BB folds
=> How do I play which turn cards? And I assume if I play KKxx like that, I ll need to take 33xx and A5xx in the b/c c/r range.
Feels so basic, hope you can help me out understanding the concept behind it.
Nov. 5, 2013 | 8:45 a.m.
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $12, BN folds, Hero calls $10, BB folds
Nov. 3, 2013 | 12:18 a.m.
making him fold AA/KK>> greater than making him fold straights imo, hes not having straights that often unless youre x/r these flops often, so youre really only losing to naked 75imo which combinatorically takes away from his straight draws hes probably betting bottom gutters, like A23 on the flop.
i do really like the xr here, but thoughts on Xr turn? he have the equity to call if he has 78. i feel our thought process goes from bluff catching/getting to SD w the best hand on turn, to "now lets bluff him" when the only hands that now beat us are AA hands, 4x both of which may not even bet.
on second thoughts thoughts on calling here?
Hey, I'm just starting with PLO so I easily can be wrong, but why u guys think that Xr river is better when Xc (or even Xf)?
I mean, opp is ABC, so he mostly can't have straights or trips. Also he might bet AA otf or don't vbet it twice. So I see him on air or boat range really(any thoughts on where I'm wrong?)
So it looks like we need to choose in Xc or xf area. And since river card is so bad for our perceived range I'd probably call.
Any comments highly appreciated.