HARSHEEL

Check call is standard, does your play have value against a full range of his hands if you are raising and folding to a re raise? Also. what is your image in the game i.e. what range of hands is he putting you on when he raises? Once you solve that, combine in what range are you putting him on and discount the blocker hands... :)

its a shove :)

There are a lot of factors that cause plays that seem ideal in a vacuum to have an overestimated expected value which leads to the conception of exploitative play such as above. :)

this game is playing deep you have to call it off after u cold call the 4 bet, also, folding to the 4 bet is 50/50. Flip a coin. :)

@disharmonist what is wrong with potting on the turn here?

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@jnandez87
1) If we are against calling ranges from all 5 players such as sets. straights, and combo draws, dont you think a big portion which is the combo draws gets an advantage if we just call? It lets any of the players exploit so many turns such as
a) bluff on diamonds without draw
b) value bet draws that got there for free.

Do the two scenarios above get undermined by the fact that

1) "getting more people to call. You might even prefer to get it in here vs. multiple opponents because again, most likely you're beat on the flop, and your nutted draw benefit from getting more in the pot."

2) and the scenario where we are heads up against a button?

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I agree with @jnandez87;what you do here is very player specific. In the past I have been very sporadic with this situation leaning between potting and peeling off after leading out and getting raised. I have faced slightly similar situations recently and SPR has played a big role in my decision making. Given the stack sizes above, your table image becomes the leading factor in whether or not a majority of the opponent's range calls your all. Next, you need to consider how profitable this situation is relative to peeling off and getting a turn to influence your opponent's calling range to commit his chips where you still are ahead. :)

its never a call :)

It's definitely oversimplifying things if you dont take into consideration two street EV for certain hand combinations like Jonna mentioned. However; your intuition is correct a lot of 4 card combos discounting the Ace are very close to putting more money in. It's been a while since your posted so I am assuming you were able to get your answer? I just did about twenty minutes of math and sims on this and the results are fairly straight forward. :)

@CodyWheeler for some reason I completely skipped over your comment. Sorry about that :

:)

BB leading here a fairly big size give us multiple advantages; a key one being that certain hands in our range become weighted to extract more value against a fairly wide range of our opponents hands

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@PhilGalfond

Can we get more runitonce hoodies? I am about the same size you are and I wouldnt mind the batch you guys modeled after you?

@forhayley i was going to read the essays u guys wrote but i only got to the first line about being hostile in seacombe's reply and lost interest. A year or so ago this was such as clear open for me and I was so clueless now that I think about the spot retrospectively. However; I was lucky, I intuitively started limping with the intention of back raising without even knowing why :)

@jmarcer enough time has gone on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTDeEJyCmNA

Call :)

you have to fold the turn without doing any math. In the long run you are losing so much money :)

I think this is a live hand. It's a fold here onto the next one. Think about true ranges and SPR :)

high stakes forum FTW

Yes u r the best :)

Turn raise all day :)

Light at the end of the tunnel :)

Sorry, this is stuff u have to pay a lot of money to learn. :)

Lolz for sure a troll if you're playing micro or low and took a shot u shouldn't be playing these games :)

puke at Folding kk, if you are weighting your Iso range you have to adjust by having minimal if any fold equity post flop :)

🔥nick