# ICIMIZER problem, How importaint is ICM in early stages of the tournament

I have a problem when trying to calculate spots in ICIMIZER turning on "MTT mode" I often get results like this. It almost seams like whatever I do ICIMIZER doesnt find anything more than negligibly +/- EV:

https://www.icmpoker.com/screenshot/bVhGHe/ ----------->Settings used

https://www.icmpoker.com/screenshot/bMgWEq/ -------------->Results

This left me wondering how importaint is ICM in early-mid stages of the tournament, for example lets says when we take the 1000 player field as an example and lets say we aren't close to bubble or anything from 1000-200 players left if we just calculate the equity of our decisions by CHIP EV are we making a big mistake or is the ICM effect at such early stages negligible? Lets take this hand as an example that happened in early/mid stages of large field MTT. If we equilab and put Villain at 29.11% shoving range we have 37.65% equity in this spot wK7o and we need 37%. Can we make this call since if we look at pure Chip EV we have to correct odds?

[b]PokerStars - 7000/14000 Ante 1750 NL - Holdem - 9 players[/b]
[i][url=http://www.pokertracker.com]Hand converted by PokerTracker 4[/url][/i]

CO: 21.12 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
BTN: 21.14 BB (VPIP: 32.10, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 81)
SB: 5.43 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 10)
[b]Hero (BB): 12.4 BB[/b]
UTG: 21.85 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
[b]UTG+1: 6.2 BB[/b] (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 36.32 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+1: 23.72 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 11.74 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 12)

9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, [b]Hero[/b] posts BB 1 BB

[b]Pre Flop:[/b] [i](pot: 2.62 BB)[/i] [b]Hero[/b] has K:heart: 7:club:

[i]fold[/i], [color=red][b]UTG+1[/b] raises to 6.07 BB and is all-in[/color], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [b]Hero ???