HJ: $13326 (Hero)
UTG1 folds, UTG2 folds, BB folds, LJ calls $200, Hero raises to $600, CO calls $600, BN folds, SB folds, UTG folds, LJ folds
Against most opponents cbet with this sizing should be auto profitable due to a folding equity, right? I do not play PLO cash, and maybe people are more reluctant to fold here than I thought, so feel free to share your view.
Sept. 11, 2014 | 1:40 a.m.
Equitywise, the first hand is surprisingly close to a call (yes, this is counterintuitive). Still, neither hand has enough % to peel, and we also have very poor visibility. I'd probably call #2 in a match, mostly because it has the best visibility (you just want to hit a 2p+ or a wrap), but it is probably a small mistake.
Aug. 6, 2014 | 1:11 a.m.
Winrates above 2.0 BB/100 are considered very good. 3 BB sound rather unreasonable at small to mid stakes, but may be possible at high stakes due to very low rake.
I am in Las Vegas btw, a lot of cash LO8 action here :)
June 11, 2014 | 9:20 a.m.
This is only fixed limit, I don't really play NL or PL because I am too curious, and it costs money in big bet games :)
As for the learning materials, these games are completely unpopular compared to NLHE, so there is no demand for good instructors. Pretty much every video on FL omaha8 I've seen is outdated and advertises bad plays at times. Which may be a good thing. I've heard good feedback about Deppen's Pot Limit book, but it is pretty basic. Most winning players play differently. I would suggest watching SCOOP and WCOOP replays with hole cards revealed (at PokerStars client; Americans can do that too btw), which at least gives some insight at how these games are played currently (although tournament format is obviously a different thing).
The action in FLO8 is barely enough. I am not the biggest multitabler, so I could entertain myself with like 4 tables 24/7, but finding 8+ tables of your favorite stakes might be challenging. The good news is 1) it is really hard to play many tables of a fixed limit game when you have to VPIP like 40 or 50% (3-4-max), 2) since all the split pots are raked, we get a lot of VPPs even from very few tables. Have no idea about the action in NL or PL versions.
You are welcome!
May 24, 2014 | 11:34 p.m.
People complaining the rake is too high, etc.
FWIW, my PokerStars graph for 2014, up to 5/10 (very little 10/20), filtered for 3-6 max.
I am not the best reg at the low stakes (probably more like top-5 or so), but feel free to ask questions if you like. My incentive: I am very grateful to Matt Ashton for a brief conversation @ WSOP hallways that encouraged me to work on my breakeven game. His post here is insane good, too. I also enjoy omaha8 so much and wish more people appreciated the beauty of this game.
May 8, 2014 | 6:53 a.m.
"Making nut/nut hands", "one way hands", "terrible 4567". Such terminology makes me feel it's 2003. Wish people talked more about equity threshold vs range, adequate board coverage from EP and in 3b pots, discussed raising turns vs. calling down with good-ish made hands, etc. But it seems like only MAshton can do those things. O8 community is superclosed compared to almost any other poker game. No wonder it is kinda stagnating online :(
April 10, 2014 | 5:45 p.m.
(4), cause you are already removed from the killer's list. (3) is super important, but people don't pay attention. Everybody wants to win more without changing their habits, and it makes sense to me!
Feb. 22, 2014 | 4:46 p.m.
Great stuff, Sam! Spot on. People who claim u30 poker players are boring, haven't met many. I always thought there should be more entertainment in poker videos, and was happy to see betudontbet and samsquid here. Please keep being yourself. We come here to learn and to have fun, and balancing out the fun element is something only best teachers can do.
Feb. 19, 2014 | 6:36 p.m.
Btw this is a reg, although he is more on a PLO side rather than limit. But he has all kinds of bluffs and thin value for sure.
March 23, 2013 | 1:22 p.m.
Just one thing I'd like to discuss. On 21:16 we are seeing a flop K109ss 3-way OOP with Qc3c9h10h. Do you guys think this is a good spot to lead? I feel our hand is a bit too strong to cf to a cbet, and we cannot really cr. A side question is do we lead there with QJ?
Feb. 24, 2013 | 2:42 a.m.
Poker Stars $100+$9 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1250/t2500 Blinds + t250 - 8 players
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Deanuzz (UTG+1): t43068 M = 7.49
Qw3Rtzui0p (MP1): t77826 M = 13.53
Hero (MP2): t94487 M = 16.43
strip23 (CO): t42650 M = 7.42
Mikleler (BTN): t137713 M = 23.95
ACE0219 (SB): t90495 M = 15.74
DutchPoker23 (BB): t31345 M = 5.45
bluemoon1973 (UTG): t24588 M = 4.28
Pre Flop: (t5750) Hero is MP2 with 6d 4d
3 folds, Hero raises to t5000, 1 fold, Mikleler raises to t11500, 2 folds, Hero calls t6500
Flop: (t28750) 9c 7d 3d (2 players)
Hero checks, Mikleler bets t14087, Hero raises to t35174, Mikleler raises to t125963 all in, Hero calls t47563 all in
Turn: (t194224) 5c (2 players - 2 are all in)
River: (t194224) Qh (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t194224
Hero shows 6d 4d (a straight, Three to Seven)
Mikleler shows 6s 6h (a pair of Sixes)
Hero wins t194224
This is a hand from Sunday Kickoff between two Russian MTT regulars who presumably have a lot of unknown history with each other, but not in this particular tournament. Mikleler is considered to be more on a tight side, Hero is more splashy and aggressive and tries to outplay his opponents. Both are profitable players at these stakes. Hero just doubled up, and this is his first raise at the table.
A topic about this hand on a Russian forum already reached 8 pages. The big question is: who played this hand worse? Can we justify calling a 3bet with 6-4? Can we justify Mikleler's flop line? We don't know their reads on each other, is it important here?
Feb. 19, 2013 | 5:02 p.m.
Draw hands in his range - broadway draws, his actual hand, some A-wheel stuff, all of those often have hearts. Most of his draws missed, so he plays his drawing hands perfectly against our bet.
Therefore I lean towards check-deciding by the opponent's river sizing and timing, and will usually call.
Feb. 14, 2013 | 10:15 p.m.
Your question sounds a bit contradictory to me. If you have a marginal hand, you should not be worried about being outdrawn, your hand is by definition quite weak and does not need protection. Checking marginal hands with intention of going to showdowns cheaply is a standard play. When facing a bet with a marginal hand, you should consider various turn cards that significantly improve your equity or allow you to credibly rep hands you don't have. If most turns suck, and the opponent is aggressive, just save money and fold.
Feb. 11, 2013 | 7:38 p.m.
Feb. 9, 2013 | 7:33 a.m.
Really tough to play postflop when SPR after he calls our cbet is 1. I'd probably just give up on most turns, not because it's an optimal play (hard to guess one without reads), but because the situation sucks, and I'd better spare my stack for something more promising... Maybe someone brave like betudontbet would shove turn and get a ton of folds?
Feb. 7, 2013 | 7:57 p.m.
As played, we totally turn our hand to a bluffcatcher, so check-call and decide on the river.
On a side note, I really doubt anyone (apart from the very top regulars of PL1k+) can show a profit on PL100 playing with 46 VPIP, so treat this guy as an aggro fish.
Feb. 7, 2013 | 6:40 p.m.
Feb. 7, 2013 | 6:21 p.m.
As I don't have an open shove range with stacks above 14-16 bb in my game, it's hard for me to discuss this line from math standpoint. However, I have a story about it, not really relevant to the hand above, but anyway. A very good friend of mine was playing WSOP ME (2012) and made it to the top 200 or so. He had a really aggro table, and he is also a kinda crazy aggro guy. So he wakes up with 5-5 under the gun with 28 big blinds, thinks briefly about being 3bet and cold 4bet light, and just ships the whole stack. Sam Holden to his left has queens, gg. Once again, not really relevant to the situation, but it kinda hurts to burn a decent stack like this. So I don't do this for the sake of emoEV :)
Feb. 7, 2013 | 6:12 p.m.
Feb. 7, 2013 | 5:54 p.m.
As played, I like to call and make a decision on the river. Our hand it not strong enough to raise get it in, and we are too strong to fold. And we have enough good river cards even if he continues barreling. See no other play.
Feb. 6, 2013 | 12:01 a.m.
Feb. 5, 2013 | 3:20 a.m.
On the flop it is not exactly 3way, because you are also heads up with UTG for a 200 bb sidepot, and your equity against his range ((QQ,Ad*d)!AA) just sucks, so it's a trivial tough fold :)