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Gilgamesh

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It was Ace and 8 of diamonds, no straight flush draw as I recall.
Regarding the other hand I imagine Davies isn't showing up with many bluffs at this river spot. I suppose I'm influenced by the way Seidel looked as he called and how his expression changed as he saw he had the winner. Went from resignation to surprise. Makes me doubt whether he's calling all in with the 1 and 2 pair combos especially ones without any diamonds. It's a strange situation where there seems to be many more hands beating the set of T's and checking to c/c, than worse hands that want to c/c. Maybe that's unimportant with the SPR on river? Or maybe it's not accurate anyway..

Nov. 24, 2019 | 12:52 a.m.

Just watching the final table and couple early hands had me thinking. Just for context I don’t often play NL and sorry if my reporting is clunky..
Seidel opens UTG 98ss, Seth Davies flats CO with TT(w Td), bb flicks it in A8o. Flop T76dd. Seidel cbet ~1/3 pot, Davies calls, bb folds. Turn Jd, Seidel c/c ~ 3/4 pot bet. River Q, Seidel c/c his last ~650k with about 1.65m in there.
Seidel didn’t take that long to call but didn’t snap, and seemed pained as he sigh-called the river. I could be wrong about that. He definitely contemplated something for a litlle while. If 89 is in the sigh-call range, what else is in there that Davies beats? I think Davies maybe discounted frequency of AK with a diamond, perhaps because Seidel bet flop 3way(?) or some other voodoo reason I didn’t catch. I’m definitely curious what Davies was targeting with the river bet. Perhaps it’s absurd to question this river bet especially not knowing their history? I think I was primed by an interesting hand 20 mins earlier when Dvoress opened QTdd, Koon flats 88 behind, Dvoress c/c meaty bets twice AJ8dd-3, river 5d went check/check. Maybe some spidey sense stuff but an extraordinary play by Koon, where there’s surely lots of worse hands that can call a bet on the river and probably some of Dvoress’s flush draws would be cbetting flop. Who knows. In the Davies/Seidel hand it seemed to be razor thin though. Thinking about it now, perhaps Davies was thinking that as played the main hands that beat him are 98, JJ, QQ and AK and maybe AK can be discounted somewhat? Obviously I’m very interested in this one but not an experienced coroner. What happened??

Thanks, and love to all

Nov. 18, 2019 | 8:32 p.m.

That was enjoyable. You touched on what 3 card draws you defend from bb hu. You say all 5-3 amongst others, does that imply you fold 43xxx ? And if so that's for making straights more often with 43s ?

Thanks

Feb. 14, 2017 | 2:20 p.m.

Phil you are an excellent man. There must be thousands of us who've been listening to you for many years who trust you like an old friend even having never met you.
It's unique how your intentions and ambitions continue to appear selfless and altruistic, even as you're realising the capitalist dream. Either that's really you, or it's some exotic piece of voodoo GTO range manipulation which only you could credibly rep.

Either explanation is dreadfully inspiring.

All the best for 2017 and beyond!

Jan. 5, 2017 | 12:15 a.m.

Hi Phil,
Thanks for the video. You mentioned you're not 3betting the disconnected double suited hands so much these days, how much does that affect your 3b% ? And what do you think is a reasonable %? I'd love to see a video on that theme- what to 3b and adjustments in 3b pots as aggressor and as the caller. There is a couple on the site but not for low stakes and not recent. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. On a similar note there's not many pro's on RIO making low stakes zoom PLO vids- I think you've made the most by a distance in 2016 - and they're great (thank you) but I know they're not your usual game.

Nov. 21, 2016 | 7:18 p.m.

Hi Phil,
On ~14.00 the J977 hand, we block straight and have 1 diamond on 3flush board which checked to the river.. You dislike the bluff with that hand mainly because when our opponent sees our hand he'll know we're over bluffing that situation. If hero feels the villain isn't going to connect those dots after seeing the bluff, do you still dislike 1/2 potting there?

Oct. 31, 2016 | 12:11 a.m.

Re. K high flush hand, I'm thinking if our betting range is strong he should call less frequently and then it's hard/rare to get value from worse than a K flush. I don't think it's a turn call as we can't bet that river and don't love calling river either.

Sept. 29, 2016 | 8:09 p.m.

Hi Phil,
In the hand ~23 mins hero makes nut flush and the board pairs on the river. You say villains timing isn't 'read-into-able' :)
You occasionally allude to timing tells I wonder if you'd summarise what information certain timings could have suggested in this instance. My intuition is a slow check is more likely to be a weaker made hand.(?)
By the by, I play 100 zoom and think a check raise bluff on this river is extremely rare from the field in general. I know because I'm a calling station.

April 17, 2016 | 4:12 a.m.

Very useful series Chris. It looks like you're attempting to answer questions so far unspoken, which you alluded to in an earlier video being the force moving poker theory forward. Well done, I think you're doing it..

March 12, 2016 | 1:23 a.m.

Very impressive Leszek!
You said you think it would benefit players to formulate their own pop-ups, I'd appreciate if you briefly demonstrated how (practically) to do it as it's not something I have experience doing. Maybe also a looking at some database where you can pick out examples of poor tendencies. Like when you said 'this fold to river bet is high'. I, and I'm hoping others, don't have any accurate reference to make such judgements as I'm new to using stats.
Thanks again

Aug. 19, 2015 | 1:34 a.m.

I second that. A video or series addressing the use of stats in PLO is conspicuously absent given the relatively large body of such material available for NL.

'Optimal' stat frequencies and the adjustments necessary vs an opponent's outlying stats, and general guidance in using HM2 for self and opponent analysis would be utile.

Thanks!  :)

Feb. 28, 2014 | 6:36 a.m.

You seemed to intimate that you underrate having 'initiative', and intimated you'd elaborate at some later unspecified time, I was hoping that time had come.? Also, knowing you have a philosophy background I'd wanted to ask you for some time if you're a dualist? A one word answer will suffice, I'm sure you're busy.

Oct. 25, 2013 | 6:01 a.m.

Sorry, couldn't get the HH thing to work for me, hope this is acceptable..

Blinds: $1/$2 PLO

BN: $215

SB: $1376

BB: $917 (HERO)

UTG: $200

Preflop($3) 4 players

HERO dealt Qh Tc 9s 8s

UTG limps, BN folds, SB raise to $8, HERO calls, UTG folds

Flop($18) 2 players, Qs 6s 7c

SB bet $13.50, HERO calls

Turn($45), Qs 6s 7c- 2h

SB bet $35, HERO calls

River($115), Qs 6s 7c- 2h- 4s

SB bet $101

Not sure if this is very tough in most people's opinion. Villain is loose aggro (over 115 hands) who was raising limped pots a lot from SB even when I got deep with him. Was looking to 3b some pre flop but thought I dont mind this hand going multiway. On flop I was about to raise then got a bit(unduly?) worried about running into to the one or two hands I dont want to see i.e AAxx or KKxx with spades. As we were so (so) deep I thought it would be very costly when he did show up with one of those and it slowed me down. It did cross my mind at the time that I sacrifice some implied odds by playing it this way but didnt really want to play for (450 bb) stacks. Is that wrong? Anyway, I guess he's polarized on the river but does he show up with a bluff here much at all? Nut blocker sometimes I guess. Or is it a fairly trivial call? 

Oct. 4, 2013 | 2:14 p.m.

Sorry, couldn't get the HH thing to work for me, hope this is acceptable..

Blinds: $1/$2 PLO

BN: $215

SB: $1376

BB: $917 (HERO)

UTG: $200

Preflop

($3) 4 players

HERO dealt Qh Tc 9s 8s

UTG limps, BN folds, SB raise to $8, HERO calls, UTG folds

Flop

($18) 2 players, Qs 6s 7c

SB bet $13.50, HERO calls

Turn

($45), Qs 6s 7c- 2h

SB bet $35, HERO calls

River

($115), Qs 6s 7c- 2h- 4s

SB bet $101


Not sure if this is very tough in most people's opinion. Villain is loose aggro (over 115 hands) who was raising limped pots a lot from SB even when I got deep with him. Was looking to 3b some pre flop but thought I dont mind this hand going multiway. On flop I was about to raise then got a bit(unduly?) worried about running into to the one or two hands I dont want to see i.e AAxx or KKxx with spades. As we were so (so) deep I thought it would be very costly when he did show up with one of those and it slowed me down. It did cross my mind at the time that I sacrifice some implied odds by playing it this way but didnt really want to play for (450 bb) stacks. Is that wrong? Anyway, I guess he's polarized on the river but does he show up with a bluff here much at all? Nut blocker sometimes I guess. Or is it a fairly trivial call? 


Oct. 4, 2013 | 12:05 p.m.

Hi Ben,

Like your videos very much...

In the first hand with JTs you said something like 'i want to play a strategy where i get to the river with a weak enough range that i dont need to bluff 99.' Could please explain what this means if possible, and how it relates here I couldnt get my head around it. Sorry if this has been asked and answered already i didnt read all the posts.

Thanks  

Oct. 3, 2013 | 12:19 p.m.

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