His flop range playing 80/50 will be incredibly wide. 140bb is not really deep.Tis playertype won't be playing according to your assumptions. The half pot sizing otf is not indicating a strong hand neither, he will be likely bluffing lots of weaker hands than 13-nutwraps. He will probably stack-off hands like AA, AKK, KQT, QJ probably you will even see Q7, JT97, T987 sometimes. Even if he does not stack-off worse made-hands than set, he does not need to bluff that often to make your midset +ev.
To become more comfortable with stack-offs, you can assign villain a range in ppt and compare the showdown eqiuty to the required pot equity. You will see, even vs a tagg-ish solid range you will already have around 40% Equity.
Sept. 11, 2019 | 12:22 p.m.
looks good to me. no need to raise as you have some little showdownvalue, good visibility on rivers and villain is reppin decent made hands primarily (top-set is discounted though as many of em could have been 3bet pre)
Sept. 10, 2019 | 2:49 p.m.
I'd say: There are no noob-questions but you stay noob if you dont ask those questions. If you use the topx-% ranges from ppt, they do not consider playablity so you should start to make your starting hand ranges. Nothing works unless you do. 2 years ago I've heard people saying "it does not make sense to build starting hand charts because the ranges are so complex and it is so heavily player dependent. Better focus on playing and studying single hands." Then some authors came and said "use this chart, deviate depending on players". In my eyes both approaches are on extreme sides, either playing without any gameplan or idea from where to deviate, or on the other side completely ignoring the fact that ranges ingame are dynamic and that it is not easy to deviate in an adaptive reasonable manner. I am used to look for the truth inbetween such statements and making a compromise. So I started to ask myself why I am playing specific hands and what hand components they have and at the same time without having a tool I tried to get an idea of an applicable openraising hand-chart. To do that I read some books to learn about preflop theory, I took the pokerjuice ranges and any random hand-chart and started to puzzle those ranges by reasonable assumptions and I've kept modifying since then. Nowadays afaik the best tool to evaluate preflop frequencies is PLO-matrix.
I'm opening 25,06% from CO as a default. Q998ss is indeed very marginal. To get to the 20% at hand-category group 54 I had to decide to either leave some of the lower hands like 8775ss but in this case I left the top-2gapper because they have so bad straight potential. From there you can start to build your own starting-hand ranges and modify the ranges in a way you feel comfortable playin at the table. I converted the Ranges into a PPT-syntax I use for analysis and finally into an easy memorizable description like
where I know: 876+ means im opening 8876-9987, 8776-9887 and 8766-9877 (TT98,... would be in category 48).
Remember there is no absolute top-range handstrength like holdem where AK is better then AQ. Different hands hit different boards but beside board-coverage, preflop you aim to hit the flop as good as possible, so you are looking for hands with as many and as nutty components as possible. Q998 though all 4 cards are connected, it has limited straight potential without a 3-card rundown in it and the wrap you hit on JTxx is a sucker wrap. No chart is going to express this detail. Bigger cards are better so you prefer to have QJxx than x98x: beside the difference in straightdraw-flops (T9x is heavier than 76x) you will hit better pair-combos. This knowledge is part of preflop theory. Lots of hands I play according to my gameplan I have chosen by myself for specific reasons why I want to play those from a specific position.
A (monkersolver) GTO gameplan functions as a guideline but deviations are mandatory, they make sense against nearly anyone but unknown at real playing conditions and should not be handled as mistakes without considering the playing circumstances. If I know BU is folding alot vs first-in-raises and neither sb nor bb has 3-bet alot yet I do not hestitate to gor for a steal with Q998ss, I know it is a marginal hand and by how much my opening frequency roughly is going to deviate. Exploitation starts preflop with the very first move. If I dont know any of the players, I probably fold it, cause you don't lose much by playing even tighter than what can be considered as normal and then wait for a spot where you have an better idea of your edge.
"It's a people's game." (Doyle Brunson)
Sept. 10, 2019 | 12:23 p.m.
ye, fold pre indeed.. Q998ss has no real connectivity value. The pair makes it a 3-card hand where you have a double gap at the top. Beside 76x which give you an 8-card straightdraw, the JTx flop would not give you a nut-wrap. If we handle the hand like a suited Rag, my chart recommend to open 0% of that category from CO. If you have 2 Broadways cards and a mid/low pair singlesuited like JT66ss or KJ44ss you it is recommended to open 25%. That would be still only be the best hands like KQ77ss or QT88ss.
Sept. 3, 2019 | 4:06 p.m.
I dont like it too much. you can make this move 3way when you expect a fold or a likely AAxx vs AAxx matchup, but 5way he will often be dominated by bigger cards and higher flushes. make the equity calculation again and assign the players ranges, you will see it will become -EV quickly.
Aug. 31, 2019 | 7:26 p.m.
what do u barrel turn with then
what do you mean? when (triple-) barrelin I want to polarize, so against non-nits I keep barreling underfulls, trips+3kicker-redraw, nutflushes and topfulls ott. you can expand againt loose fish by adding good-flushes, maybe trips-topkicker and trips+2/1 kicker-redraw. then take some pure bluffs. you can bluff alot otf so you gotta continue some of em ott. on static paired boards lots is depending on villains frequencies. so thats just a general approach how I'd do it.
Aug. 31, 2019 | 7:16 p.m.
considering you have a flushdraw this would be a good opportunity to check-back to balance your check-back range (when villain is aggressive and capable of reverse-floating).
his range might be wider cause it is a fish right? still we can at least discount some of his heart-flushdraw holdings as you block those. he is either bluffing a mediocre overpair, betting a clubflush or doing some weird stuff with trips maybe, he wont be check-calling twice with air. He will not have a lot of club flushes as it was a backdoordraw. I dont think he would do that with AAxx or KKxx. I think you have to call, the 2 turn reduces underfull possibilities and you have second best kicker but this is not a spot u like to be in unless you have information or reads about his river aggression oop. some of the good but not top trips (K99x, Q99x, J99x especially with side-draw) I prefer to check-back otf for this reason.
Aug. 31, 2019 | 6:51 p.m.
no-brainer allin, you dont fold any AAxx at this spr unless flop is enabling straight or flush.
pretty crazy to play such high stakes without basic plo-skills, even if it is mixed. plo 5-10 cant be handled like nlhe 5-10. You may not be able to compensate your losses even if you are a big no-limit winner.
Aug. 31, 2019 | 5:24 p.m.
I watched your vid. Overall so deep 3betting weak players bb v sb is fine but about your exploitative thoughts:
The reason you would raise AT73ds but call AT72 is because of the 7-3xx/7-2xx gap. Lots of matrix solutions can be replaced with some intuition if you look at the charts how they deviate in terms of connectivity. With the 73-xx you can hit 9 wrap and several gutshots compared to nothin with 72-xx. Be careful with the argument "SB is looser so I become looser too". To a certain degree this is theoretically true but 1) you must be aware which hand-categories you want to loose up, some categories change more than others (ie. hu ip more playability-hands ...) and 2) you gain value by having a tighter flop range vs range match up, this effect may be sacrificed or get lost if you dont know how to exploit postflop tendencies with the extra-hands you raise pre.
I think you missed some hands to asssign to his range. the blockers he actually had u did not accounted any of those for example. For more accurate picture of your equity you may also check the H-v-R equities against different parts of his range he might barrel turn/river.
Imo this is a more unlikely backdoor straight-card completing otr.. your odds call should be good if we calculate the odds. he can bet some bluffs, your straight is blockin the nutstraight, if he is not a very aggressive fish he should also check some QTxx ott. So I like the call. You won't always have the nuts when def-call rivers, especially not with a gto approach. if you want to fold the river this would be exploitative and you would need some reason/reads to do so. In game theory, the perfectly balanced defensive (calling) range is condensed so it ideally wont contain nuts too often.
Aug. 31, 2019 | 4:03 p.m.
1) No offense but those micro-stakes coachings make no sense to me. if you are capable to win the $-amount of a couple hours coaching you have proven to beat the stakes anyways and it makes more sense to just move up. If you cannot grind in the $-amount required on the lowest stakes, it is usually because u lack of experience and/or theoretical skills and coaching will not be an cost-effective way to improve.
2) GG-network samples are not meaningful, the competition there even on mid-stakes is freaking super-soft and it does not mean you could beat micro-stakes at other sites. It is common that you can beat 5/10 on gg but struggle at PLO25 Zoom.
3) Your sample is not meaningful, thats only 42k hands per stake? A serious grinder can play that volume within a single month.
For a student thats surely a lot of money, but dont jump to conlusions solely cause of monetary events. I want to add that's just my impression and I might be wrong. Anyways I congratualte you to your winnings and wish you the best.
Aug. 29, 2019 | 11:18 a.m.
maybe the playerpool change or it is different from zoom to regular tables. I did not play a lot of hands at PLO25 so I might be biased but I can remember the PLO25 table were quite juicy.
i think most of people can move to plo10 by themselves and most of
them struggle when they reach plo25
That could be true for me though. However, let me some hands to get there before I request your CFP. I moved up within those stakes within 1 year so I have some time to catch up. :D
I could live here too with PLO25 (I moved to eastern europe), but for me it is clear: the goal is to reach at least PLO500 within reasonable amount of time. I'm 28 and I feel pretty old already. So give me the moneyz finally :D
July 23, 2019 | 8:01 p.m.
Congratz. U are already amonst the solid micro winners.
May I ask you, if there is a big jump from PLO25 to PLO50 to PLo100? I felt like there is some difference between PLO2 and PLO5 (more aggressive) and PLO10 (more solid) and PLo25 (more loose) but managable to win without a big improvement in skill: Once u can beat PLO2 Zoom u basically can beat the rest but you have to take some smallish adaptions.
How is it about PLO50 and PLO100, as I never played those stakes? I've read that PLO50 is quite harder to beat and PLO100 is already very aggressive and swingy.
July 23, 2019 | 1:15 p.m.
It's hard to price someone out of a flop call if they have decent
equity, but we want to keep our bluffs cheap to deny equity
efficiently and we want to value bet thinner to make +EV bets as
frequently as possible (which, in concert, also helps us deny equity
often, which is a huge win in PLO given the robustness of folks'
equity OTF compared to NLHE, even when they think they have air... I
also think that most low stakes PLO players are actually super
exploitably conservative postflop after being absurdly loose-passive
I found this being a big leak in my game. Last week I checked out my databse and found that I'm only cbetting ip flops at 30%. terrible, I often tend to check back to "realize" equity but this also realizes opponents equity at the same time otf. The rest turn to river ip&oop is fine but must also be altered when I want to increase my flop cbetting% ip. in position better primarily focus on denying equity, cause information advantage and texture shifts are on your side.
And just to put this in context: on a less blank turn (say, two flush
draws and a straight draw are on board), villain's equity will tend to
be more robust. So we really don't want to risk as much (as we win
less often), and we don't want to inflate the pot too much when we're
much more likely to get to the river and the river card is going to
determine the winner far more often due to the draws on board.
especially oop? It display lots of thoughts I had in recent time. I already read, understood and applied the concepts introduced by Janda (in holdem amongst a lot more stuff) and had lots of similar ideas. Great. I love it.
July 23, 2019 | 1:08 p.m.
sry i cannot find em in your history anymore..
July 22, 2019 | 1:44 p.m.
plorious I can advice PLO mastermind it is the best content out there imo. It depends on the hand-flop interactions. small sizings with hands that cannot be outdrawn easily balanced with pure bluffs and bigger sizings with marginal (combo)hands (sometimes overpairs dryier boards..) that have decent backup equity when he calls off and you want to generate foldequity also balanced by backdoors as bluff where u pick up turn equity to make a 2barrel.
Because if i raise i most likely fold out all the lower Twopairs and
especially flushdraws and only keeping ATxx, KKxx, QQxx and JJxx in
the hand. Hands against im mostly behind, maybe close to flipping
u likely will get a freecard against sets and you are not dead against ATxx with your FD. and you will fold out other hands that does not fall into the range you mentioned (unless he is not bluffing). flipping oop is actually a very good result cause you realize equity oop, thats the goal overall.
i cant count the times this happened and wanted to die. your so right!
yes me too in my own hh.
July 22, 2019 | 1:42 p.m.
you also would have to fold to blanks nonspade 2, 4, and 5 which are another 9 cards. Now we have already half of the deck if you dont want to continue with a bare toppair against a player who first bet into 4players representing at least overpair and then make a second barrel against your call, which shows another amount of significant strength.
You will not have implied odds against sth. like a set when you can hit 2pair at best. You have REVERSE implied odds. The gutshot by itself will not do it, a backdoorflush also just countable as 1 out from flop.
I dont agree with koky's opinion that it is a big mistake but I am not sure neither, I personally would say it is marginal but okay when you are able to fold against further aggression or outplay the opponent somehow oop. or get a valuebet with top2pair.
why u think u r results-orientated? scared money? did not understand that..
July 21, 2019 | 6:57 p.m.
BUT; the hand does not end here immediately. you cannot play hands in a manner that does not apply. I guess this is hard to quantify and needs a lot of parameters but as far as I can remember some guys quantified it to around 5% equity realization gap if the defender has a solid defending strategy.
July 21, 2019 | 4:08 p.m.
Ouch, bad things often start preflop. I heard that very often and this is a good example for it. AK86 with 3 suits is clearly not an openraise from utg, if you want to get in as many hands as possible against that donk you can also limp, otherwise just fold. you dont win much by copying his style and loose up that much. That hand is clearly not suited for 3bp SPR's with only 1 nut component, it is bad to call against 3-bet as devwil said and has alltogether a bad overall performance.
The flop bet is a second big mistake, when you know villain is likely to check-raise why you bluff? You would have to fold or even worse, I dont know if you were considering it, to get it in with a bare midpair to play for stacks, where you willl be NEVER ahead (being ahead is not possible cause you dont flop air that often and even the dumbest fish dont get stacks in with nopair no draw). The 8 blocker is worthless with that wide stack-off ranges. The flop is the most important street, so this is indeed the end of the world.
Your hand has good SDV on lots of rivers and is way ahead way behind, no reason to bet here (no value from worse, on this 4-connected cards board pairs and 2pairs aint catch up, set are barely existent so the main hands beside straightdraws you would need protection are ouuta window, no foldequity against better that probably stack off now).
Turn is more difficult but I guess I would fold it. I'm not interested in finding out if he has the nuts there cause with the more tight c-bet range he still might not bluff for stacks, many player dont do that when deep-stacks can go in. You would need stats like Check-raise, AFq% and AF for the river on a bigger sample.
July 21, 2019 | 10:31 a.m.
yes that big raise is rly bad especially if he is loose aggressive.
if you want to raise, I choose naturally a small sizing. calling might be even better cause he likely to 2barrel bluff or committ easier with overpair
July 21, 2019 | 10:14 a.m.
yes perfectly pot it. Im also doing a little less than pot, it has some psychological effect on weaker players so they might make a stand with second nuts. you are repping nuts, thats okay they together stil have lots of equity, you dont want them to call, youre happy to gii and are commited .
July 21, 2019 | 10:11 a.m.
i dont think it is a mistake to fold the flop.
a shove with a bare flushdraw ott makes absolutely no sense, that gettin in big money at bad shape most of the time. he won't call worse hands cause he has none to do so bc we have nothing lol. and once a player bet he tends to not fold