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Turn seems like a fold. Would maybe peel turn on some different cards (specifically, non board pairing ones).

Aug. 21, 2019 | 1:22 p.m.

Comment | HawksWin commented on RNG in HUD?

Just figure out a way to use suits to randomize (at least at micros). If you are making some polar 3b bluff preflop, only use spade/spade for your 25% mixed strat hands or use two suits for your 50/50 mixed strat hands. Having some other distraction on your table besides your HUD will take away from your concentration on the game and likely stunt overall game improvements.

Aug. 18, 2019 | 5:10 a.m.

Wow, I got one right for once ;) Thanks for the screen shot post Samu Patronen !!

Aug. 16, 2019 | 4:52 p.m.

It's just a question of style really. Personally, I like making speculative calls preflop in spots like this vs. a tighter 3 bettor since a) his range is much more defined and condensed (easier to play against) and b) he is much more likely to pay off when I hit.

This is especially important when calling small PP and low suited stuff. I want him to have AA/KK/QQ/JJ as the majority of his 3b range so that I get paid off when I flop a set. I don't want him to have A9o on a board like K75r when I have 55 here.

Keep in mind, I play on anonymous site. With reads, there are all sorts of exploitative plays we can be making here. For example, BB 3b vs MP open on my site is 5.2% (population). I used MP instead of UTG since your posted hand is 5 handed. I expect your open to be wider here.

Aug. 15, 2019 | 5:32 p.m.

How big is the sample pertaining to the 14% 3b? If it is over a substantial sample, I would rather start 4 betting him more IP and picking up pots rake free vs calling looking to hit/take pots away postflop (rake sucks).

Aug. 15, 2019 | 4:43 p.m.

I am basing this off of my population tendencies. If I get called on rainbow A high board, what are they calling with? What draws can they have? I have very little incentive to be "balanced" here. I can't catch an overcard and improve. So my approach would be to bluff turns when I pick up equity (Spades are about it). Pairing a K or Q does nothing for us here (against his Ax range anyway).

Aug. 15, 2019 | 4:39 p.m.

Aug. 15, 2019 | 4:07 p.m.

Check back flop. I agree with @Kruzer20. This is a horrid board for 97s. I want to look to spike a diamond or 9 on turns and I want to do this as cheaply as possible.

I would call most diamond turns (after checking back flop and facing a bet). Your straight outs on the turn are deceptively bad. Your diamond outs (even 8d) I have high confidence in.

Aug. 15, 2019 | 4:05 p.m.

Flop is fine.

On the turn, the 4h is a complete brick. It will not help either you or him. On the 4s, I like barreling turn better. His calling range on the flop is going to be much more pair dominated due to the lack of FD's.

As played, probably giving up on turn.

Aug. 15, 2019 | 3:59 p.m.

As played, turn is probably better to check. Getting check/raised here with a weakish drawing hand with nutted potential is a disaster.

I think flop can just be folded here. BB is uncapped and has a ton of Qx in his range. You block one of his best bluffs (T9) and you unblock his flush draws (9s is a better call here since you can improve to a set without the flush completing).

Aug. 15, 2019 | 3:51 p.m.

I think I would up my calling requirements to KQ+ if the board ran out different. Being that the backdoor hearts hit turn, he will have more busted draws that he bets on river. KJ is close, but I still think the EV will be higher than the alternative (folding is 0 EV).

If the board was Ks4s8h 3d 3c, this likely makes a difference in what his bluffs will be.

Aug. 15, 2019 | 3:31 p.m.

This is quite vague @crushlikepran. I find the zone pool on Ignition to be not much different than any other player pool. There are a bunch of guys in the discord group playing 5NL. The room is called "Cash Game Study" and I can see you are in the list. Feel free to post specific spots in there or in here. Many very good players are here to help.

Aug. 14, 2019 | 6:57 p.m.

I bet this post gets like 90+ comments if it was to be posted in 2+2.

Aug. 14, 2019 | 1:47 a.m.

Quickest and easiest way I have found is Flopzilla. Enter the range, board and dead cards and you can just hover and see the remaining combos.

Aug. 13, 2019 | 10:02 p.m.

Probably KJ+, KQ+ for sure. Not sure about spade blockers. I would think we don't want them here and we want them to have them here (AQss, 98ss, A8ss, etc.). I feel that your Kx range is going to be similar to their Kx range. You might have KJo where they likely only have KQo. I think you will both have like K9s, KTs, KJs and KQs (assuming it's not 4b).

Aug. 13, 2019 | 6:17 p.m.

Samu Patronen Covered this very well.

What are you using to study range vs range interaction? Do you have PIO or GTO+? Equilab Pro? Poker Ranger?

In your above example, plotting ranges of UTG Open Range vs BTN Call Range, you are going to have a range advantage preflop.

I anticipate that your range advantage is going to be nullified and equities are going to run close on this particular board.

So, to study this, without something like PIO, I would input the ranges in a equity calculator that will show board hits for both players (Equilab Pro or Poker Ranger). Put in the flop and start putting down turns randomly and check to see how the equities shift. You will have Ax advantage, so A turns are going to be good for your range for example. This study style will be most effective if you list out all possible turns and somehow mark which turns are good for you range and which turns are good for BTN range before you just start clicking through them.

Aug. 13, 2019 | 5:43 p.m.


Aug. 13, 2019 | 3:11 p.m.

IMO A9s is fine to mix between raising and calling (disagree with practice game)
IMO QTs is fine to mix between raising and calling (disagree with practice game)
IMO 87s should always be played, either as a raise or call (I agree with your range practice game)
IMO 65s is fine to mix between raising and calling (disagree with practice game)
IMO AQs should be raised like always BB vs BTN (110% disagree with practice game)

Aug. 13, 2019 | 2:41 p.m.

Guy is a nit ball. I don't mind taking a marginal/breakeven line with this holding this deep. Against a linear @ 6% 3b range, we will have like 33 to 35% equity vs that range. If he is the type that has some polarity here (A5s-A4s, 76s, 65s) it obviously becomes better.

100bb deep, you probably have to just check/call a street. I have less incentive to check/raise 100bb deep due to the obvious reasons. 180+bb deep I like your flop play.

As for 100bb deep, it is a bit more tricky vs. this sizing. Against a more standard sizing, calling pre is fine. Against this size, I think you need to mix in some folds too. Maybe call 25% or even 1/2 of the combos. The range vs range equity distribution isn't going to change based on stack depth. Domination issues are going to be more magnified with the shallower stacks.

Aug. 13, 2019 | 2:37 p.m.

Feel your pain my friend ;)

Aug. 13, 2019 | 1:05 p.m.

Ouch ;)

Aug. 13, 2019 | 1:42 a.m.

I fold river in my pool, but they just never have less than AQ here and you kinda block a few potential bluffs with the 9d.

In a pool that is capable of value betting A5 or to a lesser degree AK here, it is probably fine.

I would caution against thinking a Q is a good card (it is better for your range, but it is also a likely continue when he has an A. Actually, I don't like seeing T, J, Q or K here. Not only for their 2 pair outdraw likelihood but also, they complete draws/less likely sets sometimes on those cards too.

Aug. 13, 2019 | 1:40 a.m.

I don't know if I can fold here. You redraw against half of their overpair combos. You have redraws vs sets too. Not sure he 3b 88 here pre. JJ I am confident in putting in his range and you are unblocked vs that combo due to Jd being on board. It seems like a mistake to fold so much equity (60%+ I would guess) to that price.

Aug. 13, 2019 | 1:32 a.m.


Aug. 9, 2019 | 11:57 p.m.

Rainbow board? Missed Draws? Do you think he ever has AK in his range? I think we can assume he has AQ/AJ/ATs in there by the time we get to river. I think we can always assume he has JJ. Does he have 77 here? This stack depth it is certainly possible. We are 50/50 vs sets, AJ and AQ (all combos). Add in some AKo or ATs to his calling range and we have a clear jam.

TBH, this looks more like a check back on the flop than a bet to me, but I might be wrong about that (board texture could change things too). His preflop Ax range will have you clobbered and it is pretty much standard operating procedure for him to check this range OOP on the flop. This hand clearly can't go for 3 streets of value unimproved, so I think I like a flop check.

Aug. 8, 2019 | 1:46 p.m.


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Aug. 8, 2019 | 1:51 a.m.

I play ignition which is annonymous and in that particular pool, I think I check back KQ and worse and most always bet AQ here.! I would have to run it in hand2note range research to get a feel for what they are calling here in order to get the exact answer vs population

Aug. 7, 2019 | 3:26 a.m.

TBH, I had $2.85-like $3.50 in mind for the river which meets the criteria you laid out. And I agree with you whole heartedly on the sizing. But in a pool that basically never bluff raises here (easy bet/fold) and will call a more manageable bet with I would guess QT+, I think there is plenty of value to be had by betting.

Aug. 7, 2019 | 1 a.m.

Turn can be smaller I think. Want to keep all his Qx in and I am folding some weak FD's and we certainly don't want them to fold here. There is only the KdXd that can outdraw our pair.

As played, would be looking to block bet this smaller. As played, good fold.

Aug. 7, 2019 | 12:31 a.m.

That is about the worst river possible. He has A4, 54, 43 and 65hh not to mention some Kxss that he called pre and has 2pr by river. I think there are some Kx you can get called by but they call smaller bets I would believe. Not too keen on checking back river. I like bigger bets on non 6 rivers but here I think the play is to down bet and fold to action due to the substantial amount of combos that beat you here.

Aug. 7, 2019 | 12:24 a.m.

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