At 34:44 Giovanni Giurdanella has AK in the BB. The UTG opener checks back the river with QJhh on T9A9Qsss. Do you think villain makes a mistake there by not betting the river and turning it into a bluff? That was my thought as it seemed that combo would be near the bottom of the range that villain gets to the river with in this node.
June 17, 2022 | 10:59 p.m.
I have a few questions about this hand. My first is, after I 4-bet pre, is this a flop where I should be range betting OOP? I was thinking about check/folding flop, but I thought it was ok to x/c with the bdfd. As played, I am wondering if x/c flop and x/f turn was the worst line (or at least worse than betting myself or check/folding). I only had 8 hands on opponent when the hand was played so they were basically unknown. Also wanted to ask, is the sizing ok preflop?
Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
UTG: $13.55 (136 bb)
MP: $13.78 (138 bb)
CO: $11.30 (113 bb)
BU: $15.07 (151 bb)
SB: $26.46 (265 bb)
BB (Hero): $10.17 (102 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K♠ K♣
2 players fold, CO raises to $0.25, BTN 3-bets to $0.70, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.30
Flop: ($4.30) 8♦ 8♣ A♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.15, Hero calls $2.15
Turn: ($8.60) 6♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.30, BB (Hero) folds
June 15, 2022 | 4:29 a.m.
Nice video Peter. @29:00 I have some thoughts about the A9o hand here. I think this is an underbluffed spot. I would prefer to just fold the flop. Most regulars won't X/R with just a bare gutter on the flop. When they raise it's usually 66, A6s and sometimes K6s. His bluffs can be QTcc, QJcc and JTcc. That range crushes us. I feel like bet/calling flop and folding turn is worse than folding to the X/R on the flop. If you think he can be check/raising with stuff like JTo and QJo then I don't mind calling flop, but I wouldn't be happy facing another big bet on the turn. A lot of regulars in these pools just shut down on turns where they don't improve after they X/R flop with bluffs. Please tell me if you think this is too pessimistic.
June 13, 2022 | 11:58 p.m.
Hey emsterdad. I saw that you mentioned you had coaching from threads13 (Jacob). I actually had coaching from him myself back in 2013. I think it was $50 an hour and I had 8 sessions with him. You are correct that he sadly passed away. I read an obituary online and it said he died from brain cancer in June 2019.
I also read that he was originally diagnosed with the cancer 7 years before he died. He beat the cancer once, but then it returned and killed him. I last talked to him about 5 years before he died. I actually parted ways with him as my coach (I don't want to say "fired" but if you wanted to call it that, you could) because I felt my game was stagnating and I was having some doubts about the stuff he was telling me to do. I was playing 25NL at that time. I also posted on reddit a few years ago where I asked other players for their thoughts about the advice Threads gave me about how to play specific hands. Several people said the advice he gave was horrible. I can also give you the link to that post if you are interested. I wonder to this day if Threads already had the cancer when he was coaching me, and that affected his judgment. That is just a theory of mine. I don't want to be too hard or disrespectful to someone who has died, but I spent a significant amount of money on coaching from him (relative to my bankroll) and I was disappointed. I later got coaching from another coach - Matt Doran, who was a coach on Cardrunners at the time, and I got along much better with him. I believe he plays mid-stakes PLO now.
June 13, 2022 | 2:54 a.m.
I am currently trying to figure out how often I should be checking with some top of range hands to protect my checking range. This includes hands such as top set on dry flops, flopped trips, flopped flushes and flopped FHs. Usually when I check as the IP player, it's with hands that either don't want to get check/raised, can't get multiple streets of value, have SD value and don't need to bet (or function better as bluffcatchers vs probes), or give-ups that have no equity on flops that are good for OOP's range. What are people's thoughts on such spots? Is having a capped checking range something to be worried about at the microstakes?
June 9, 2022 | 5:42 p.m.
I just have a question about Hand2Note. Is Hand2Note intended to replace PT4/HM3 completely or do you use it in addition to those? I am currently still using HM3 however I am impressed with the features of Hand2Note. I see a lot of people using H2N now.
June 6, 2022 | 4:48 p.m.
Thanks for the video Dekkers. It's always interesting to me to hear a pro's opinions about the player pool on a site. I have heard a lot of people saying GG has a tough player pool. I have not played there myself.
June 4, 2022 | 10:09 p.m.
I'm a member in various poker groups on facebook and discord, and also watch a few microstakes streamers. I have noticed that recently, within the last 6 months especially, there are a lot of people in these groups who are saying microstakes speed poker is very difficult to beat. The reasons most commonly cited are that there are not enough fish and the rake is too high. I also know of some RIO members, who I consider to be good players, who are struggling to beat speed poker. I myself have accepted that I am unlikely to ever win consistently at speed poker, so I now focus on regular tables. My strategy now is primarily focused around bumhunting at regular tables on different sites. This can take a lot of effort, especially on sites that have low traffic. You can be waiting a long time just to get a seat or be forced to play HU until a table fills up. If I'm sitting at a table and don't see an obvious spot within a couple of orbits, I typically bail and look for another table. Not ideal, but I find this better than speed poker where you can't table select at all.
May 24, 2022 | 6:31 a.m.
I'm currently playing 10NL and I am trying to play solver-approved GTO preflop ranges. I feel as though I am burning money against the pool in a lot of spots, as one of the major tendencies of the pool is that they 3-bet, 4-bet and 5-bet with ranges that are too strong compared to what a GTO range "should" look like. I guess what I am wondering specifically is, should I Iean towards having more of a linear 4-bet and 5-bet range against the pool without specific reads on opponents which suggests they are capable of 4-betting and 5-betting light?
April 24, 2022 | 3:41 p.m.
Hi GTO. There is a microstakes streamer who I follow on YouTube. He is not at the standard of a RIO pro but he is a decent winner at microstakes. Anyway, the guy pure calls with AK vs a 3-bet from most opponents in the SB or BB when he is UTG or MP. Do you think this is ok as a default strategy?
April 4, 2022 | 9:44 a.m.
I feel there is a significant gap between my overall confidence and competence as hands progress from preflop to the river. I feel pretty confident preflop and on the flop, but I seem to get in way too many spots on turns and especially rivers where I am having to guess as to what to do. So here are a few spots that come up a lot during sessions where I find myself "guessing" a lot (and quite often guessing incorrectly).
1) Here is a common situation that occurs when I am OOP specifically. I raise pre and get one caller IP, flop a draw, cbet and get called. Turn is a brick, I bet again, get called again. River is a brick. There are a lot of boards I could use as an example, but here is one. I have 79hh on AQ4hh. Turn is a K, river is a 3, neither of which is a heart. I understand that you need to be bluffing enough on the river so you aren't only betting with a range that is 100% value. So in this example, I think I should be bluffing the river quite a lot. I have also read, and seen it mentioned in videos, that hands that are the bottom of your range are good candidates to bluff with on the river. Conversely, I've also read/heard/been told that hands that don't block an opponent's value range are usually bad candidate hands to bluff with. So this is where I get confused. Do I bluff because I'm at the bottom of my range, or give up because I don't block value (or more specifically, I don't block continuing ranges)? What tends to happen in practice is that I give up nearly 100% of the time on rivers with the bottom of my range. For me there is often an emotional component to these decisions. My thought process will be something like: "Well, my opponent has called bets on the flop and turn, and the river didn't change anything, so I guess I'll give up now". So then I end up having a river range that is something like 90% value when I bet. I assume I shouldn't be bluffing 100% of the time on the river when I have the bottom of my range, but it also shouldn't be 0% either. So how do you adjust your frequencies correctly here? Is it something that you just learn naturally from playing and using solvers?
2) This is is when I am IP. The most common spot is when I am in the BB and the SB opens. I don't usually play much of a calling range in other positions. It can also be when I am on the BTN and the BB has called my open. So when I am IP, I get into a lot of spots when I'm not sure if I should be calling river bets because I block value hands, or just exploitatively folding worse than the top of my range because the pool isn't bluffing a lot when they bet river. Here is where the guessing and trying to soulread opponents comes in. I will be thinking to myself: If I fold this hand, then I'm folding anything that isn't the nuts, but if opponents are often only 3-barreling, or betting the river after a turn goes check/check when they have value, do I just give up even with good bluffcatchers? I feel that my overall river game is so bad that it's been making me not want to play very much. I just know I am going to be getting into spots where I am going to be guessing a lot and making mistakes. Obviously mistakes are bad on any street, but river mistakes tend to be the most costly as the pot size is, on average, bigger on the river than on earlier streets.
March 12, 2022 | 12:52 a.m.
I actually have one question about this video Shaun. I understand that from a GTO perspective, we want to have balanced ranges for when we bet or raise on the river. To put it in a simpler way, we don't want to always be value betting and never bluffing
when we are betting or raising rivers. I guess this is true for the earlier streets as well.
In practice, do you think it's ok against the population to be very often giving up on rivers with bluffs after being called twice, given that one of the most common leaks for opponents in these pools is that they call too much? Also, note that by "bluffs", I am including complete air (usually missed draws) and hands such as bottom pair, 4th pair or under pairs that are close to the bottom of my range. I understand that the best candidate hands for bluffing with are usually hands that are close to the bottom of our range or hands that block some of opponent's value hand combos (but correct me if that is wrong).
When I am OOP as PFR for example, and the action goes cbet flop, opponent calls, bet turn, opponent calls. A lot of times on the river, I find myself just giving up with my bluffs. This creates an issue where I find myself often only having value hands when I bet the river. I sometimes find myself in a sort of no-man's land where I know that from GTO perspective I need to be bluffing with some combos when I bet the river, but in practice from an exploitative perspective, if I'm playing vs calling stations, I feel like it's better to give up with most of my bluffs. Likewise, when I am facing a three-barrel myself, there are spots where in GTO you are supposed to be raising the river with some bluff combos and calling with some bluffcatchers, but in practice, I am exploitatively overfolding because opponents are mostly only three-barrelling with strong ranges.
Feb. 10, 2022 | 5:46 p.m.
Thanks for this video Shaun. I have no questions currently however I must tell you, I think you are in the top echelon of Essential coaches on RIO. There are some coaches who have produced videos that I believe don't offer anywhere near as much educational value as your videos. As mentioned above, your videos do the best job of explaining how to actually make money in microstakes games. Also, some coaches rarely respond to comments. There is definite variation in quality of content between various coaches, I think. I hope that doesn't ruffle any feathers or upset any of the other coaches. That's my opinion on that subject.
Feb. 8, 2022 | 5:25 p.m.
Hi Shaun. Just a question about checking OOP as PFR. Would you still do this even if you know the opponent very rarely (or never) bets IP facing a missed Cbet from the PFR? Do you bet more often there or just simplify and still check as the OOP player?
Feb. 3, 2022 | 12:39 a.m.
Thanks for this video Shaun. I have been struggling quite a bit with knowing what bet size to use on different flop textures and also knowing when to check flops as the PFR, and knowing when to stab/probe turns when the flop checks through. I am looking forward to trying to implement the strategies from this video and your earlier videos.
Feb. 1, 2022 | 10:54 a.m.
This is without doubt one of the best videos I've ever seen on RIO. Thanks for doing this video Peter.
Feb. 1, 2022 | 6:30 a.m.
Hi Willie. This was actually Henry's last video for RIO, so the "one last time" title was probably accurate. I thought he was one of the best essential instructors by far. I hope he comes back and does more videos.
Jan. 29, 2022 | 1:01 a.m.
Hey RunItTw1ce. Having had a lot of experience with population tendencies in microstakes Zoom, I think some of your assumptions are pretty reckless. Opponents in these games love slowplaying big hands. I have played against the specific opponent in this hand myself. He can easily have any set when he
takes this line, and he's turbo snap-calling a river jam.
Also, bluffcatching 77 on J64QJ is burning money against most regulars in this pool. He's not turning 6x or 4x into a bluff, as opponents generally just don't turn SDV into bluffs in this pool. A lot of regulars won't even value bet a Q on this river. Expect to run into trips and boats a lot when you bluffcatch here with 77.
Jan. 23, 2022 | 2:06 p.m.
Cameron works for another coaching site named BitBCash in case anyone is wondering. He was definitely a big loss to RIO as he was the best Essential coach in my opinion. No one else explains their thought process as clearly and accurately as him.
Jan. 16, 2022 | 2:50 p.m.
Peter Clarke Hi Peter. Thanks for this video series. At 43.15 you mention that on a T94r flop, after we 3-bet UTG from the SB, we have TT and 99 in our range on the flop. Do you not think 3-betting 99 pre in that spot is a bit too light vs a UTG open? Villain appears to be unknown.
Jan. 14, 2022 | 6:22 a.m.
I am surprised no one has mentioned this, but this is definitely a fold preflop against the 4bet. Your hand looks pretty but is likely to be completely smoked by CO's 4-bet range. I wouldn't call with worse than AJs, and I think that is a marginal call.
Feb. 22, 2017 | 2:30 p.m.
I have seen this concept referenced on a several occasions but I don't think I understand it. There are a few HH posts where people have said they will check their whole range in a spot or bet it (instead of playing a mixed strategy). How do you figure out if you should be betting or checking your whole range in a spot? Is there a science to it? As I am not sure that arbitrarily deciding "hmm, this looks like a good spot to bet or check with my whole range" is the correct approach.
Feb. 22, 2017 | 2:24 p.m.
I think it's correct to not have a 4-betting range in UTG/MP vs SB/BB against most opponents. The reason is that you usually end up having a transparent range where your 4-betting range consists of QQ+ and no bluffs. I would prefer to call with my whole continuing range.
Jan. 18, 2017 | 12:20 p.m.
I prefer a call preflop, but this would be the bottom of my 3bet calling range OOP. I would check/fold turn as I expect villain to never fold KQs (which should be the bottom of his value range on flop) on turn after the A pairs. If turn goes x/x you can consider jamming river.
Dec. 6, 2016 | 4:55 p.m.
What rivers would you be check/calling shoves on with this hand? I feel like to
x/c any river that doesn't complete a draw (like Ks) may be a mistake given the opponent's tendencies. Villain needs to have all the draws in their range, and be
betting river with most of them, for x/c to be correct. My concern is that the average tight regular (which is what the 20/13, low agg freq villain looks like here) gives up a lot OTR on bricks, so when they bet river they are value-heavy.
Nov. 24, 2016 | 6:52 p.m.
The only value hand that makes sense to me is 22. The trouble is I think it comprises a very large percentage of his overall range here. Your hand looks a lot like Ax after you check flop and check/call turn overbet which makes me think it's a fold on the river. FDs would usually bet the flop. Do we need to worry about overfolding in spots where opponents have very few bluffs in their range?
Nov. 13, 2016 | 3:39 p.m.
I've read about people having static preflop 3-betting and 4-betting ranges for each position. I myself do not use such ranges, which might be a problem as I find myself being uncertain whether certain hands should be 3-bet, calls or folds during sessions. It is the same if I am faced with a 3b. I find that I am often "guessing" about calling, 4betting or folding. I frequently make these decisions based on how I'm feeling during a session instead of making them because I'm sure it's the correct play. This can lead to unnecessary mistakes and timeouts. If you are using defined ranges, how do you decide what hands to include in that range? Do you have a target for the number of combos you are 3-betting or calling? Also, do you use the same ranges against different opponents or do you make adjustments? My goal is to make a document which will include my ranges for each position (BTNvUTG, BBvSB, BBvBTN, etc). I wanted to ask if this sounds like a good idea.
Oct. 13, 2016 | 2:11 p.m.
Shoving here is likely -EV in a vacuum. SB 3-betting ranges against UTG are usually very strong and MP's cold call makes SB's perceived range even stronger. Calling the 3-bet here is the standard play preflop. Also, MP can be slowplaying KK+ preflop sometimes.