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HodorIsKing

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I'm currently playing 10NL and I am trying to play solver-approved GTO preflop ranges. I feel as though I am burning money against the pool in a lot of spots, as one of the major tendencies of the pool is that they 3-bet, 4-bet and 5-bet with ranges that are too strong compared to what a GTO range "should" look like. I guess what I am wondering specifically is, should I Iean towards having more of a linear 4-bet and 5-bet range against the pool without specific reads on opponents which suggests they are capable of 4-betting and 5-betting light?

April 24, 2022 | 3:41 p.m.

Hi GTO. There is a microstakes streamer who I follow on YouTube. He is not at the standard of a RIO pro but he is a decent winner at microstakes. Anyway, the guy pure calls with AK vs a 3-bet from most opponents in the SB or BB when he is UTG or MP. Do you think this is ok as a default strategy?

April 4, 2022 | 9:44 a.m.

I just wanted to ask, is the reason we can't bluff river here because opponent's range is too strong by the river (so we aren't allowed to bluff)?

March 27, 2022 | 6:02 p.m.

I feel there is a significant gap between my overall confidence and competence as hands progress from preflop to the river. I feel pretty confident preflop and on the flop, but I seem to get in way too many spots on turns and especially rivers where I am having to guess as to what to do. So here are a few spots that come up a lot during sessions where I find myself "guessing" a lot (and quite often guessing incorrectly).

1) Here is a common situation that occurs when I am OOP specifically. I raise pre and get one caller IP, flop a draw, cbet and get called. Turn is a brick, I bet again, get called again. River is a brick. There are a lot of boards I could use as an example, but here is one. I have 79hh on AQ4hh. Turn is a K, river is a 3, neither of which is a heart. I understand that you need to be bluffing enough on the river so you aren't only betting with a range that is 100% value. So in this example, I think I should be bluffing the river quite a lot. I have also read, and seen it mentioned in videos, that hands that are the bottom of your range are good candidates to bluff with on the river. Conversely, I've also read/heard/been told that hands that don't block an opponent's value range are usually bad candidate hands to bluff with. So this is where I get confused. Do I bluff because I'm at the bottom of my range, or give up because I don't block value (or more specifically, I don't block continuing ranges)? What tends to happen in practice is that I give up nearly 100% of the time on rivers with the bottom of my range. For me there is often an emotional component to these decisions. My thought process will be something like: "Well, my opponent has called bets on the flop and turn, and the river didn't change anything, so I guess I'll give up now". So then I end up having a river range that is something like 90% value when I bet. I assume I shouldn't be bluffing 100% of the time on the river when I have the bottom of my range, but it also shouldn't be 0% either. So how do you adjust your frequencies correctly here? Is it something that you just learn naturally from playing and using solvers?

2) This is is when I am IP. The most common spot is when I am in the BB and the SB opens. I don't usually play much of a calling range in other positions. It can also be when I am on the BTN and the BB has called my open. So when I am IP, I get into a lot of spots when I'm not sure if I should be calling river bets because I block value hands, or just exploitatively folding worse than the top of my range because the pool isn't bluffing a lot when they bet river. Here is where the guessing and trying to soulread opponents comes in. I will be thinking to myself: If I fold this hand, then I'm folding anything that isn't the nuts, but if opponents are often only 3-barreling, or betting the river after a turn goes check/check when they have value, do I just give up even with good bluffcatchers? I feel that my overall river game is so bad that it's been making me not want to play very much. I just know I am going to be getting into spots where I am going to be guessing a lot and making mistakes. Obviously mistakes are bad on any street, but river mistakes tend to be the most costly as the pot size is, on average, bigger on the river than on earlier streets.

March 12, 2022 | 12:52 a.m.

I actually have one question about this video Shaun. I understand that from a GTO perspective, we want to have balanced ranges for when we bet or raise on the river. To put it in a simpler way, we don't want to always be value betting and never bluffing
when we are betting or raising rivers. I guess this is true for the earlier streets as well.
In practice, do you think it's ok against the population to be very often giving up on rivers with bluffs after being called twice, given that one of the most common leaks for opponents in these pools is that they call too much? Also, note that by "bluffs", I am including complete air (usually missed draws) and hands such as bottom pair, 4th pair or under pairs that are close to the bottom of my range. I understand that the best candidate hands for bluffing with are usually hands that are close to the bottom of our range or hands that block some of opponent's value hand combos (but correct me if that is wrong).

When I am OOP as PFR for example, and the action goes cbet flop, opponent calls, bet turn, opponent calls. A lot of times on the river, I find myself just giving up with my bluffs. This creates an issue where I find myself often only having value hands when I bet the river. I sometimes find myself in a sort of no-man's land where I know that from GTO perspective I need to be bluffing with some combos when I bet the river, but in practice from an exploitative perspective, if I'm playing vs calling stations, I feel like it's better to give up with most of my bluffs. Likewise, when I am facing a three-barrel myself, there are spots where in GTO you are supposed to be raising the river with some bluff combos and calling with some bluffcatchers, but in practice, I am exploitatively overfolding because opponents are mostly only three-barrelling with strong ranges.

Feb. 10, 2022 | 5:46 p.m.

Thanks for this video Shaun. I have no questions currently however I must tell you, I think you are in the top echelon of Essential coaches on RIO. There are some coaches who have produced videos that I believe don't offer anywhere near as much educational value as your videos. As mentioned above, your videos do the best job of explaining how to actually make money in microstakes games. Also, some coaches rarely respond to comments. There is definite variation in quality of content between various coaches, I think. I hope that doesn't ruffle any feathers or upset any of the other coaches. That's my opinion on that subject.

Feb. 8, 2022 | 5:25 p.m.

Hi Shaun. Just a question about checking OOP as PFR. Would you still do this even if you know the opponent very rarely (or never) bets IP facing a missed Cbet from the PFR? Do you bet more often there or just simplify and still check as the OOP player?

Feb. 3, 2022 | 12:39 a.m.

Thanks for this video Shaun. I have been struggling quite a bit with knowing what bet size to use on different flop textures and also knowing when to check flops as the PFR, and knowing when to stab/probe turns when the flop checks through. I am looking forward to trying to implement the strategies from this video and your earlier videos.

Feb. 1, 2022 | 10:54 a.m.

This is without doubt one of the best videos I've ever seen on RIO. Thanks for doing this video Peter.

Feb. 1, 2022 | 6:30 a.m.

Hi Willie. This was actually Henry's last video for RIO, so the "one last time" title was probably accurate. I thought he was one of the best essential instructors by far. I hope he comes back and does more videos.

Jan. 29, 2022 | 1:01 a.m.

Hey RunItTw1ce. Having had a lot of experience with population tendencies in microstakes Zoom, I think some of your assumptions are pretty reckless. Opponents in these games love slowplaying big hands. I have played against the specific opponent in this hand myself. He can easily have any set when he
takes this line, and he's turbo snap-calling a river jam.

Also, bluffcatching 77 on J64QJ is burning money against most regulars in this pool. He's not turning 6x or 4x into a bluff, as opponents generally just don't turn SDV into bluffs in this pool. A lot of regulars won't even value bet a Q on this river. Expect to run into trips and boats a lot when you bluffcatch here with 77.

Jan. 23, 2022 | 2:06 p.m.

Cameron works for another coaching site named BitBCash in case anyone is wondering. He was definitely a big loss to RIO as he was the best Essential coach in my opinion. No one else explains their thought process as clearly and accurately as him.

Jan. 16, 2022 | 2:50 p.m.

Peter Clarke Hi Peter. Thanks for this video series. At 43.15 you mention that on a T94r flop, after we 3-bet UTG from the SB, we have TT and 99 in our range on the flop. Do you not think 3-betting 99 pre in that spot is a bit too light vs a UTG open? Villain appears to be unknown.

Jan. 14, 2022 | 6:22 a.m.

I am surprised no one has mentioned this, but this is definitely a fold preflop against the 4bet. Your hand looks pretty but is likely to be completely smoked by CO's 4-bet range. I wouldn't call with worse than AJs, and I think that is a marginal call.

Feb. 22, 2017 | 2:30 p.m.

I have seen this concept referenced on a several occasions but I don't think I understand it. There are a few HH posts where people have said they will check their whole range in a spot or bet it (instead of playing a mixed strategy). How do you figure out if you should be betting or checking your whole range in a spot? Is there a science to it? As I am not sure that arbitrarily deciding "hmm, this looks like a good spot to bet or check with my whole range" is the correct approach.

Feb. 22, 2017 | 2:24 p.m.

I think it's correct to not have a 4-betting range in UTG/MP vs SB/BB against most opponents. The reason is that you usually end up having a transparent range where your 4-betting range consists of QQ+ and no bluffs. I would prefer to call with my whole continuing range.

Jan. 18, 2017 | 12:20 p.m.

I prefer a call preflop, but this would be the bottom of my 3bet calling range OOP. I would check/fold turn as I expect villain to never fold KQs (which should be the bottom of his value range on flop) on turn after the A pairs. If turn goes x/x you can consider jamming river.

Dec. 6, 2016 | 4:55 p.m.

What rivers would you be check/calling shoves on with this hand? I feel like to
x/c any river that doesn't complete a draw (like Ks) may be a mistake given the opponent's tendencies. Villain needs to have all the draws in their range, and be
betting river with most of them, for x/c to be correct. My concern is that the average tight regular (which is what the 20/13, low agg freq villain looks like here) gives up a lot OTR on bricks, so when they bet river they are value-heavy.

Nov. 24, 2016 | 6:52 p.m.

Comment | HodorIsKing commented on z100

The only value hand that makes sense to me is 22. The trouble is I think it comprises a very large percentage of his overall range here. Your hand looks a lot like Ax after you check flop and check/call turn overbet which makes me think it's a fold on the river. FDs would usually bet the flop. Do we need to worry about overfolding in spots where opponents have very few bluffs in their range?

Nov. 13, 2016 | 3:39 p.m.

I've read about people having static preflop 3-betting and 4-betting ranges for each position. I myself do not use such ranges, which might be a problem as I find myself being uncertain whether certain hands should be 3-bet, calls or folds during sessions. It is the same if I am faced with a 3b. I find that I am often "guessing" about calling, 4betting or folding. I frequently make these decisions based on how I'm feeling during a session instead of making them because I'm sure it's the correct play. This can lead to unnecessary mistakes and timeouts. If you are using defined ranges, how do you decide what hands to include in that range? Do you have a target for the number of combos you are 3-betting or calling? Also, do you use the same ranges against different opponents or do you make adjustments? My goal is to make a document which will include my ranges for each position (BTNvUTG, BBvSB, BBvBTN, etc). I wanted to ask if this sounds like a good idea.

Oct. 13, 2016 | 2:11 p.m.

Shoving here is likely -EV in a vacuum. SB 3-betting ranges against UTG are usually very strong and MP's cold call makes SB's perceived range even stronger. Calling the 3-bet here is the standard play preflop. Also, MP can be slowplaying KK+ preflop sometimes.

Oct. 11, 2016 | 12:35 p.m.

I am currently considering if I should get Piosolver basic. It would be a significant investment relative to my bankroll as I only play 10NL. There are a couple of specific questions that I have about the software. Is it crucial to have a strong subject knowledge of GTO play for you to actually interpret and understand PIO's conclusions? I would describe my own understanding of GTO to be rudimentary at best. Also, is it important to be extremely good at math to get any benefit from PIO? I barely did any math at all after HS and I just about know my way around equity calculation programs. I get the sense that PIO is significantly more complex than those. It doesn't seem like something you can jump into as a beginner and figure out easily, unlike most poker software that I've used before.

Oct. 7, 2016 | 3:02 a.m.

Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) BN: $5.05
SB: $5.12
BB: $10.67
UTG: $11.67
MP: $7.17
CO: $6.33 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is CO with A Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BN folds, SB raises to $0.38, BB calls $0.33, Hero raises to $1.00, SB folds, BB calls $0.62

Oct. 1, 2016 | 7:19 p.m.

Anyone else like checking the flop here reasonably often for balance? We aren't getting 3 streets from worse here and it's good to have some hands that can check flop and call a turn bet. UTG is unlikely to have any draws OTF as he likely folds hands such as T8s preflop, so I'm not worried about protection.

Sept. 17, 2016 | 1:39 p.m.

Comment | HodorIsKing commented on 25NL zoom QQ 3B

Any small PP is a snap call in UTG's spot preflop.

Sept. 16, 2016 | 3 a.m.

I have played a lot of hands at NL5 myself and I also think this is a fold. When you get 4-bet at 5NL it is nearly always KK and AA. Do not fall into the trap of thinking they are 4-betting wider because it's BvB.

Sept. 15, 2016 | 6:20 a.m.

Comment | HodorIsKing commented on standard ??

What bluffs can we have when we decide to check/jam turn? I think most of our FDs want to bet the turn.

Sept. 14, 2016 | 5:46 a.m.

Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) BN: $5.30
SB: $1.94
BB: $2.42
UTG: $4.92
MP: $5.27
CO: $7.29 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is CO with K Q
UTG raises to $0.15, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.25
Flop ($0.87) 4 2 9
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50
Turn ($1.87) 4 2 9 5
UTG checks, Hero checks
River ($1.87) 4 2 9 5 Q
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.80, UTG raises to $4.02 and is all in, Hero folds

Sept. 6, 2016 | 6:17 p.m.

Thanks for making this video Steve. I have no specific questions about anything in the video as I think you explained all of your points very well. I was encouraged that you thought I was playing solidly overall in this video. I just wanted to ask you some general questions about poker.

Unfortunately I have been struggling to beat the 5NL games on Pokerstars for a while now. There are a lot of regulars, especially Russians, who I feel I am fighting a losing battle against. It is difficult to avoid them because there are so many of them. I sometimes feel like I am sitting at tables with 5 Phil Ivey clones when I play Zoom. My blueline is acceptable, but my redline is terrible and I am not sure what I should be doing to improve it. Steve, do you have any thoughts about the player pool on Stars, and especially Zoom? Do you think the regulars there are better than on sites such as Bovada? Also, do you have any thoughts on how I could improve my redline?

Sept. 5, 2016 | 6:51 p.m.

Hand History | HodorIsKing posted in NLHE: KQs BB v UTG
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) BN: $11.71
SB: $11.12
BB: $5.07 (Hero)
UTG: $5.54
MP: $5.00
CO: $5.39
Zoom hand. No reads on UTG.
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is BB with K Q
UTG raises to $0.15, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.10
Flop ($0.32) 6 6 2
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, UTG calls $0.60
Turn ($1.92) 6 6 2 5
Hero bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90
River ($3.72) 6 6 2 5 6
Hero checks, UTG checks

Aug. 28, 2016 | 5:16 p.m.

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