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PhisyFishy

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This is definitely not the best way to play the hand. You never get it in well here. Doing fine some of the time, but absolutely crushed a lot of time too.

Sept. 22, 2016 | 9:26 p.m.

Calling pre-flop is fine. I play HU almost exclusively and open 95%ish and call close to 100% of 3bets.

Flop - Just call is the right play imo. Your hand is ok. but raising and getting it in isolates you vs a range which has you in pretty bad shape (overpair with spades, NFD, combo draws and sets/2-pairs). Obviously you do ok vs some of that range, but just call and play turns in position is much better.

Turn - It's an annoying spot but i usually just check back and take my equity. When you bet, you rep Jx and on a flop like this your calling range is going to be so wide so it's tough to rep Jx. I don't expect many folds.

River - Having bet this turn, i'd feel inclined to bluff this river with this hand. You block the straight and some full house combos, and don't block any of the high-spade missed draws. It's not great, but i'd jam here. Don't have many better bluffing hands imo on this river.

Sept. 10, 2016 | 4:09 p.m.

I'd play it exactly the same, seems good to me.

Feb. 21, 2016 | 10:37 p.m.

Phil Hellmuth has been the real inspiration

Feb. 19, 2016 | 4:53 p.m.

He's definitely helped!

Feb. 19, 2016 | 4:12 p.m.

Post | PhisyFishy posted in Chatter: 200k hands since moving to HU PLO

After stagnating at NLHE for a while, i moved to HU PLO last year. A couple of days ago i realised i had passed the 200k hands milestone. I decided to check my results since switching to PLO and was really happy with what i saw. I'm really competitive and have never quite mastered how to not let swings effect me, especially downswings. So i figured since i hate losing so much, i may as well make sure i enjoy winning equally, so i am writing this just as a bit of a brag.

I'm definitely running well, about 15 BI above EV, but even if i was at EV this would still be by far the best graph i've ever had since i've been playing poker. I enjoy PLO a lot more than NLHE these days and it definitely helps that im a lot better at it. Long may it continue!

Feb. 19, 2016 | 3:48 p.m.

What part of his flop raising range can you beat on this river? Unless he is the type to spaz out with a completely random hand then there's basically nothing you beat.

I guess he might raise something like T4xx that then gets counterfeit but seems really unlikely to me and he doesnt have many T4xx in his pre flop opening range.

Any set is now a boat, and any straight draw is now a straight or trip 6's.

I normally just fold the flop in these spots, and i'd definitely fold the river.

Feb. 18, 2016 | 4:13 p.m.

I think you should just xF the flop. Villain raised UTG so has a lot of high cards in his range so is often gonna peel at least one, and your hand has close to 0 equity vs a lot of his range. I know the board is quite good for your 3betting range, but you still have to give up some times and this seems like the perfect give up hand in my opinion.

And i don't really understand the river bet.Most of his flushes will be high flushes since he raised UTG,, and i dont even expect a lot of players to fold lower flushes. I also never expect him to call with sets of 2-pairs.

It might make him fold T7 or QT but that is a really small part of his range, and as the hand shows he isnt always folding them.

Feb. 10, 2016 | 8:58 a.m.

Im snap calling this! Granted i only play HU but you only lose to TT and AA. There is only 1 combo of AA and not many TTxx pots the flop.

If you don't call this, what is your calling range? Basically non-existent.

Cooler.

Feb. 2, 2016 | 4:12 p.m.

Feb. 1, 2016 | 3:12 p.m.

What are you trying to rep on the turn? You don't have much K8xx or K2xx in your pre-flop 3bet range imo, and you might cbet the flop with these hands anyway.

Definitely bet the flop too.Multiway on a board with a flush draw, too many hands that have equity against you that can check and see free cards.

Jan. 31, 2016 | 12:10 p.m.

If the river was a card that didn't complete a possible straight flush i'd call almost always i think.

Only need to be right 33% of the time, there is more combos of AQ than QQ. If he is possibly playing AQ like this then we have to call, especially considering there is a small chance he just has Qxxx or Axxx and is bluffing.

With the straight flush coming in too it adds extra combos you lose to. Im not really sure how much of a difference this makes since he shouldnt have too many 2d3dxx hands, but it makes me more inclined to want to fold.

Jan. 29, 2016 | 3:40 p.m.

Comment | PhisyFishy commented on PLO HU Study Group

I'd be interested in joining? I've played quite a lot and have good results.

Jan. 22, 2016 | 6:33 p.m.

I fold here close to 100% of the time.

You block his most likely missed draw, and dont have any 63 or 68 blockers. You're also not high enough up in your range to make it so you're being exploited by folding here. If he has a bluff, fair play to him, you'll have plenty of better hands that you can call with.

He has 67 here, but that is just a god awful turn call by him. Given that you have no reads on villain, there's no reason to assume he is calling naked 67 on this turn when there's a FD on board and you bet into 2 people.

Dec. 7, 2015 | 12:34 a.m.

Definitely just call. Getting this in 156 deep would be a big mistake in my opinion, and raise-folding just sucks because you fold away so much equity.

Dec. 7, 2015 | 12:27 a.m.

How much is left behind on the river? I'd be very tempted to shove. You are really low down in your range on this river, you have 2 good blockers and it's really hard for villain to have boats. Villain's turn leading range contains so few sets/2-pairs. He basically has to have a turned straight and J9, J8, J2 or JJ which is really unlikely when you block the 8 and the 9 and there's 2 J's on the board.

Dec. 5, 2015 | 3:55 p.m.

I think i like a re-raise here mainly because its the only line we can take where it's possible to still have a bluff in our range (naked Ah). By calling, we show villain that we have a good hand, and i just dont think he will bluff the river when he cant have the Ah blocker.

Dec. 5, 2015 | 3:47 p.m.

I probably just fold the flop with no decent heart blocker and no BDFD of your own. After floating, i like checking back the turn and bluffing rivers where you don't improve. This line can still rep a lot of flushes, and its how id play many non-nut flushes. Without a good blocker its quite likely that villain has a flush and will just go xC xC.

By checking back and then betting, villain still folds all his overpairs, and you lose less when he has a flush that is never folding, and if you improve to trips or a straight on the river i think you can check back and win a decent % of the time.

Dec. 1, 2015 | 9:08 a.m.

UK - Midlands

Nov. 28, 2015 | 9:03 p.m.

Another really good answer, thanks!

Sept. 17, 2015 | 11:17 a.m.

Thanks Ben, that makes a lot of sense.

Sept. 17, 2015 | 11:16 a.m.

That's really helpful, thanks a lot.

Sept. 16, 2015 | 8:02 a.m.

Really good answer, thank you for that.

And so in order to make villains Ax bluffs indifferent, we would need to call some K high flush combos?

Sept. 15, 2015 | 3:34 p.m.

I appreciate the reply, but you appear to have misunderstood exactly what i was asking.

The exact board texture doesn't matter, it is just a theoretical spot where hero decides betting K high and A high flushes is the corrrect betting range.

I explained the pot odds we got by saying that the villain raised to an amount that we had to defend 50% of our range to be unexploitable (pot).

The board isn't paired, as indicated by the fact that i said A high flush was the nuts and K high was 2nd nuts.

I am asking purely from a GTO "We need to defend 50% of our range" perspective, and so not looking for comments about exploitative play. Thanks.

Sept. 14, 2015 | 4:09 p.m.

Post | PhisyFishy posted in PLO: General GTO question

Just something i am trying to figure out in my head but can't decide on an answer, so thought i'd ask for some help.

The situation is: Hero is in position, and gets to the river HU. Villain checks to hero, and hero now has a betting range of K high and A high flushes. The actual board isn't relevant, but assume A high flush is the nuts, and K high is the 2nd nuts.

Hero bets, and gets checkraised to a size that, in order to be unexploitable, hero would need to defend 50% of his range (pot). Assuming he has equal combos of A and K high flushes, then am i right in thinking he only ever needs to call with A high flushes?

However, if hero is 100% certain that villains raising range will always contain the nut blocker (either as a bluff, or the nut flush), then hero can never have the A high flush. At this point hero's range becomes exclusively K high flushes. Does this mean that hero would have to call with some Kx in order to be unexploitable? I don't have a great knowledge of GT, but i know a lot of you guys do so this may be a really easy question for you. It seems to me that the idea of playing GTO means that it is irrelevant what cards villain holds when he makes a raise, but at the same time seems wrong to be in a spot where hero is folding 100% of his range.

Any thoughts?

Sept. 14, 2015 | 3:40 p.m.

Comment | PhisyFishy commented on AA & NFD on flop

Just call and use your position. Being this deep and in position in PLO is such a huge advantage. Lowering the SPR benefits him greatly. Unless he has AA/JJ, he is going to be in a tough spot on pretty much any turn, and even with AA/JJ there are a lot of bad turns for him.

Imo raising makes his life a lot easier. Your hand is strong enough that it can call any turn, which is great because he is often going to be in a really tough spot on the river.

Sept. 13, 2015 | 9:06 p.m.

Flop bet is questionable, if there was a spade on the flop i'd go for it, without one i think just give up.

Having said that, once you bet the flop and get this turn and river, i think betting 3 is the best option. You don't block clubs which is great, and you are at the absolute bottom of your range.

Blocking 88 and 99 isn't great, but still think this is a pretty great hand to barrel with.

River sizing also seems good, as you just want him to fold his overs with FD. If you think he folds overpairs to a larger bet, then i'd go bigger, but at 10NL this seems like wishful thinking when the most obvious draw bricks.

June 20, 2015 | 8:58 p.m.

This doesn't make sense to me. If he is "never raise folding", then surely he doesn't just have blockers and so you don't have to worry about losing value?

June 19, 2015 | 10:41 a.m.

Seems like a slam dunk get in to me. Very +ev spot in my opinion.

June 17, 2015 | 7:41 a.m.

Have you read "The Mental Game Of Poker" by Jared Tendler? If you're biggest leak is your mental game, that book is better than any coach IMO.

May 22, 2015 | 8:18 p.m.

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