Alright so villain here is a regular. My thought process is basically - He can check back TT and 99 here sometimes, probably doesn't 3b 66. T on turn massively reduces chances of him having Tx or TT obv. Not sure if he'd bet 88 here for some kind of value/protection, it's possible and I'm really not sure on that. Again 77 doesn't 3b pre much and won't bet turn always either.
Maybe he can have a hand like JTs or ATs but that would bet flop some of the time and won't be 3b pre all that high of a freq and again maybe ATs folds pre. So it's just JTs? T9s could play that way but would probably bet flop a very high % of the time also.
So I was trying to figure out what hands he could bluff with here and it's not a spot people will just suddenly wake up and start bombing with a hand like QKs or something.
That said aren't we pretty close to the top of our own range given we won't have TT or 99 here much at all maybe never?
I didn't bet flop because I felt it was better for his flatting range than my 4b range, is this acceptable or should I just bet? Feels like a board we want to slow down on. On the turn I think a bet or check is fine but think a lot of my range would be checking here so it's also fine to check this hand.
Aug. 10, 2019 | 5:50 p.m.
On flop would consider raising as now it is a cheap flop.
Hmm, are we raising any hands as a bluff here? Like our hand is super strong here, dry flop with 2 low cards and our high card pairing.
I feel like raising wouldn't accomplish much.
Are you thinking of something like just min raising flop to put him in a difficult spot?
July 9, 2019 | 8:32 a.m.
Villain here is a bad reg imo. He is in the games a lot but makes random tricky/spewy plays. Checked back AQ on Q85r from utg v bb. I thought that was pretty bad. Stuff like flatting random K5s hands from btn in multiway pots etc.
I'm thinking 88/66/ flush draws will bet flop. JJ/TT/QQ probs bet flop a lot, maybe check some of the time as well. Can't have 33/44 surely so I'm thinking he's floated something like AQss or he is getting fancy with AJ/KJ type hands. Although I very much doubt they would overbet shove here so I'm grasping for justifications really with that.
Also in practice regs never overbet shove these river spots for almost 2x pot unless they have it.
Should I just bet/fold river?
July 8, 2019 | 10:42 p.m.
Villain here is a very good reg imo. So I think his flop c/r is going to be very heavily weight to semi bluff 2 overs or draw type hands. Super dry flop he shouldn't have 33/44 and we block AT. Guess we can re-raise flop some of the time for protection but calling is probably the majority line here?
I felt like this was a terrible turn and expect him to unload river, not sure how to proceed.
July 8, 2019 | 10:35 p.m.
So I think in game I probably gave too much weight to him having random sets/2p/straights in his limp/call range whereas maybe in practice that is unrealistic and he's more weighted to 1p + draw type stuff and therefore I should be betting turn 100%.
Is my turn check as big of a mistake as it feels in hindsight?
July 8, 2019 | 10:32 p.m.
Villain is unknown here. Given his stack size can I ever get away from this on the turn? It's possible he just stacks off any kind of equity given how much is in the pot relative to his stack imo. Just a cooler?
July 8, 2019 | 10:29 p.m.
So I think flop cbet is fine multi way on what I believe is a safe board. Turn I'm not sure what to do honestly. Probably should keep barrelling as it shouldn't help his range that much? Can we fire 3 streets safely here vs his range for value?
Anyway I went for a pot control kind of line and tried a value bet on what I thought was a safe river. His raise doesn't make much sense to me.
His turn check kind of caps him to maybe weak pairs like maybe 77/88 or TT/JJ but they would bet some of the time on turn.
If he has floated flop with an overcard hand like QJs or AQs then it would probably bluff turn? esp those that pick up the FD. I don't see what air hands will decline to bluff turn then suddenly decide to bluff river.
July 7, 2019 | 5:33 p.m.
So obv trying to get it in here pre, he doesn't oblige and flats. Villain is a reg. Not sure what a flatting range here would look like, but maybe something like KQ-AQ 99-JJ maybe QJs or JTs. Is that realistic or too tight?
Post not even sure if I should venture a bet on a Q high flop but it's dry and we're probably betting here a lot so figured it can't be too bad to just 1/3 pot it and give up on bad turns. Probs jamming on hearts, A/K and maybe J/T sometimes too.
July 6, 2019 | 11:45 p.m.
So I think flatting pre is mandatory as is c/c flop. Don't think we want to raise turn even though the bet is quite small. Think raising just narrows their ranges too much and is probably too thin.
Really don't know what to think of the shove, it looks super strong and there are no draws to suddenly be bluffing with. Can't see pairs deciding to turn themselves into bluffs either so easy fold? Assume he is just nutted here?
July 6, 2019 | 11:41 p.m.
So I don't normally flat btn here in general but there are 2 bad fish in the blinds and we're very deep vs one of them. Think flop float is fine given small bet size + backdoors/position.
Not sure what size to go on turn or what exactly we're repping if I'm honest. Think I'm right in saying it's a fairly merged kind of size so mostly 1/2 pair type hands and maybe some semi bluffs like the FD or 89s. Would a larger more polar size be better here?
River I just think we can have a ton of missed draws and therefore bluffs so we can size up, maybe we don't have enough value combos to justify this though and we're just a bit too bluff heavy in this spot?
July 6, 2019 | 11:33 p.m.
Villain is a reg. No idea what to do really pre, I don't want to get it all in for 200bb, but if I flat his 3bet I'm losing too much value. Does a reg have any bluffs in his spot pre?
Feels bad to flat and just play hit to win but ripping over a 5bet also seems terrible, so does folding pre.
July 6, 2019 | 11:26 p.m.
DNegs98 what size would you go pre here then? I think my rule is like 4x because we're OOP then add 1 or 2 bb's on depending.
Do not bluff the fish, got it!
July 2, 2019 | 9:26 a.m.
Yeah maybe just fade the call pre because it's getting marginal and we don't really need to indulge in these spots. 👍🏻
July 2, 2019 | 8:50 a.m.
Just as another note this is a problem I've had myself where you're
trying desperately to get stacks inside by the river and you
unintentionally isolate yourself against a very strong range, turn
definitely big and polar but given the flop sizing they really don't
have to make any uncomfortable calls on the turn, they can start
folding out a lot of marginal hands which are now the bottom of their
range so you get to the river and your range is often going to be at a
serious equity disadvantage when you size like this in a 3B pot. Take
this with a pinch of salt though as your polar range may well be
sufficient reason to just bomb it in for all the money.
Thanks a lot DNegs98 , this is definitely very useful for me as I tend to get into these kind of big pot scenarios a lot and you get these kind of "cooler" hands that I might be creating more so myself.
Great breakdown though, he did in fact have KTdd. I guess calling Ad can't ever be bad though but I am concerned that regs just aren't bluffing here ever.
July 2, 2019 | 8:31 a.m.
Thanks DNegs98 I like how you showed your workings, very helpful.
July 1, 2019 | 10:11 p.m.
Villain in BB is a fish obv with this stack and I have him tagged. Button is a reg.
I 3b here pre 100% with this hand which I guess is fine. Maybe could tone it down if BB is more aggro given his stack. Flop I'm quite happy to just bet and let the fish shove, this will often fold out the btn or he'll have to take respond to it in some way so we get more info.
The only problem is his call looks absurdly strong here. Like his range could literally be exclusively 88/99/TT and maybe JJ? Can't see what hands he would be flatting here. Can't even imagine QJcc type hands flatting, he'll just play very straightforward and on the tighter side vs the action in front I would assume.
Is my mistake to cbet in the first place? I was just mindlessly betting to get it in but given the call we have new information and maybe we can make an exploitative fold now?
July 1, 2019 | 10:08 p.m.
Villain here is a reg.
I don't see anything I can do differently until the river. My rational for calling is that I blocked AQ and KQ won't play this way imo so it removes a lot of his trips/boat combos. I also block a backdoored flush and I unblocked Ac flush draws, although I doubt they play this way that much. Maybe JTcc can play like this and try to rep the Qx given we probably don't have that much Qx in our range other than like KQ which won't 3b pre that frequently. So maybe as a bluff repping the Q is a reasonable play for him?
With all that said, how often are regs bluffing here? It doesn't feel like a spot where a reg is gonna play with much frequency if at all.
July 1, 2019 | 10:01 p.m.
I don't like calling here pre but feel obliged to given the odds, the BB sizing kinda stinks of some nutted big pair as fish do stuff like this. CO is an unknown to me.
I'm just thinking on the flop I have enough fold equity and given the SPR is so small. Also I won't be in horrendous shape vs most ranges here. It does simplify things for me also although playing fit/fold on further streets is simple but maybe not an option. Is the shove a little rash, do we want to just call given we're in position?
July 1, 2019 | 9:56 p.m.
The villain who open limps here is a bad fish, limp/called K6s earlier from CO vs a BTN iso. The iso'er is a reg so I assume he's just trying to corner the fish. Even so I think AJo might be slightly ahead of btn here anyway? Is pre flop close or just always raised.
OTF, it's frustrating because I think this flop will hit his middling limp/call broadway range pretty hard but we still flop a gutshot. I don't know how much fold equity we have here with a cb against my perception of his range. That said I don't think c/c is going to be great either, at least we can barrel with this line?
My barrel here is obv pretty poor, not sure how else to put it. I was going to try and bluff some rivers but this is about as bad as it gets. Is there any other way to go about this hand?
Feels like I build these pots often to just end up folding without a hand.
July 1, 2019 | 5:23 p.m.
So I think pre flop is standard, maybe I could size down my flop cbet but also not too bad vs what I believe is a recreational who plays regularly in this pool. I don't really get his flop min raise, is he just going for value with any overpair basically? Is this ever a bluff and do we have any other options than to fold?
As I type this out it feels more clearly just a spot we shrug and fold. I know I shouldn't be too worried about being exploited here but it's just gross if he can min raise and get us to fold so often, although I guess it's mostly just better hands anyway?
July 1, 2019 | 5:15 p.m.
So villain in SB is I think a fish and BB is a fishy reg. I think his range for donking this flop is pretty strong just as any reg's would be. So 2p/sets/straights then maybe a small amount of strong draws with bd equity as well.
I guess the K/A runout doesn't help my actual range too much given I won't float AK or overcard type hands but maybe in practice these cards would slow down a bluffing hand somewhat, maybe not.
Is this a fold on river? on turn? Feel like we're never good here.
Thanks a lot
July 1, 2019 | 5:04 p.m.
So I'm not sure what my squeezing range is here pre-flop. AQs is definitely ahead of the open and the flats though so I want to isolate/thin the field. I think the size seems ok?
I literally have no idea what to do vs the 4bet. I don't know what his range is or his frequencies as it's a hudless site. And I feel like his actual hand here is quite a bad one for 4bet bluffing and makes me question if he is a legit reg. Maybe It's fine.
Flop I guess I can c/c but I think with SPR so small we just want to c/r and get it in, probably a c/r non all in is actually superior though.
Bit confused by the whole hand though.
June 27, 2019 | 11:50 p.m.
So I'm content with my line here, villain is some kind of reg. He seems loose and I spewed in a 3b pot vs him earlier so he probs has an image of me as bad.
I don't see what hands he's repping here other than 44 or a 75s that checked flop. All sets would bet flop and this isn't a line semi bluffs would take. Even a made flush would bet small flop or raise turn small. So the shove feels like a strong but vulnerable hand. Doesn't make much sense and we have one of the best hands in our range here.
Any thoughts? Thanks
June 27, 2019 | 11:42 p.m.
I find these kinds of spots very difficult. I want to bet the flop for value and some protection given there's a FD, some straight draws and it's multi way. Is this where I go wrong in the hand?
On turn given the smaller stack size behind me I could bet and call it off vs him but then I'm still unsure what the next player's range is and his range for calling pre and the flop I imagine would be very strong by this point.
Honestly I just folded the turn because I felt like at least one of them should have me beat here but I'm not sure if I've got monsters under the bed syndrome right now. Realistically either player can have 88,99,55 or 67s. Then hands like 98s occasionally and FD's where it's difficult for me. So against both players overall ranges I think my overpair shrinks in value a lot.
Is there any other way I can play it? I seem to be building big pots with these kinds of hands lately only to get lost.
Thanks a lot
June 18, 2019 | 11:44 a.m.
Don't think there's too much I can add to this hand. Both the limper and the iso'er are fish. I think my squeeze size could be a bit bigger but don't think it's a huge deal, maybe it is?
Is anyone playing it differently post flop? I think he call call off KJ QJ AJ here or is that too ambitious as a default. I could use a smaller flop size in hindsight though which allows me to bet smaller on turn and it not be awkward.
June 18, 2019 | 11:39 a.m.
So I'm a bit lost pre flop, think we should probably 3b close to 100% vs UTG but then not sure what SB's range for squeezing is here vs what should be two very strong ranges ahead.
The SB is some kind of fish, it's a hudless site so I didn't know his stats at the time. Upon looking them up he's playing 30/20 with a 10% 3b. His 3b from the SB is 24% which is 4 times out of 17. Only 125 hands total though but given this it looks like a clear jam pre?
As for post readless I don't know if we should call or shove the flop. I don't think we shove many hands here with our range so probably calling but if he's a fish he could call off like QQ or JJ with a diamond etc. Or any bare Ad draw.
June 18, 2019 | 10:49 a.m.
Alright so I just quickly threw this into equilab. Maybe KQs taking this line is generous but then so is giving him KK and AKo all the time imo. He is a fish from the UAE as well and although I haven't got specific reads I think that makes him capable of some spew on top of this range as well.
Is this close or am I rationalising a bad play? What kind of ranges would you guys give a random fish here?
June 17, 2019 | 11:15 a.m.
So I'm not sure if I can ever fold this, probably more of a "is this a cooler?" than anything. Both villains are fish. I guess the huge raise otf is meant to look like a draw, is this ever AK or QK? I can't see any other way of playing this but I don't feel great about getting it in on this flop vs a raise which was made 3 way when we just have an overpair. Having Ad also really bad in this spot blocking any of those FDs.