Hey man thanks for pointing that out. I actually have the advanced book and have read a bit but forgot this. facepalm.
Are the new ranges considered to be reasonably solid and up to date as of 2018?
Nov. 21, 2018 | 2:24 p.m.
So I've just started reading Janda's original book, Applications of NLH. I was wondering how relevant/useful the ranges in this book are for a current 6 max zoom game? They are made based on some fairly incorrect assumptions imo like the average open being 3.5x and to me they seem way too tight in a few areas.
Like it's flatting just 8% from BB vs an UTG raise. Only flatting 28% from BB v a Button raise but it does 3b 17.5% so the overall defend is probably decent there. Also it wants to flat hands from SB vs a button open that I'm not sure are +EV especially in games vs decent regs which these ranges are meant to be for. Think you're going to get squeezed a lot or just have a very easy to identify range in that spot.
So yeah how good/bad are these ranges, have things moved on since this book was published?
Nov. 21, 2018 | 8:31 a.m.
So I have this guy tagged as a fish but no further notes or HUD stats. I don't see what worse hands he can be bluffing with here and looks a lot like he just slowplayed a set/boat or backed into something like a flush or weird straight.
Don't think fish are going to be c/r bluffing here a lot. Thoughts?
Nov. 13, 2018 | 7:01 p.m.
Thanks Jeff! Yeah sorry I just think aloud and write it all down. Probably not the best way to get replies and start discussion.
What would you say is a good sample size for zoom games? 6max nlh
Nov. 9, 2018 | 4:47 p.m.
it is same as if actions gets to you and you valueshove. So it is a
I don't think this is true actually. Like he is taking an entirely different action so his ranges are different and as such we can make different assumptions/decisions. Just because the end result would be the same it doesn't make the decision the same at all imo.
I still think it's probably a call though just because of random spewing etc.
Nov. 9, 2018 | 7:18 a.m.
I'm a bit unsure what his entire flatting range looks like here tbh. He is unknown but possibly a reg. I think I can cbet flop or c/c. I do like c/c as we block some of the 9x combos he'd be calling with like straight draws etc Also at the time I thought our hand was not that vulnerable but upon reflection I guess it is. Any card T-A is bad on future streets.
I intended to bet this turn but misclicked actually but still not a disaster as I think it's a reasonable hand to c/c. The problem for me is on river. I don't really see him having too many 5x hands in his range but I also feel like 99 is very high up in our range at this point and it could be a spot that he would attack given we checked twice and we are fairly capped?
It's also hard to see any hands he'd check back flop with and then decide to bluff with like this rather than just taking showdown, but I guess there are hands he won't bluff flop with but once we check twice he can at that point. So like QJ, T9, JT type hands?
Nov. 6, 2018 | 6:18 p.m.
So I think villain is unknown to me at this point. I can see a check on flop being best if we know he is aggro in any way. As a default I think it's probably fine to bet or check. Not sure which the highest EV would be without reads.
I think we can call the flop c/r as he will have enough draws and we do have ok equity with the K kicker.
Turn is a total blank and I do expect most value hands to continue bluffing here, possibly even using a bigger polar sizing as it's a blank turn and both his draws and big hands can just bet big? So when he checks I just assume he is mostly giving up or looking to c/c with a draw and I bet for value/protection. Not sure if these assumptions are good.
Then river is just a terrible card and we take the showdown.
Should I be playing any street drastically different here?
Nov. 6, 2018 | 6:10 p.m.
Villain here is a reg, I don't have HUD stats though. He seems fairly solid doesn't get out of line etc.
I'm not sure if shoving river for value is standard or not. I don't see him having too much 4x or 75s in his 3b call range and yeah he can have flushes but again they won't make up that big a part of his overall range? But I think a large part of his range will be Qx and will have to call us a decent % but not always have to bet every Qx himself. It's also possible that a c/c on river might be best as he can still value bet his Qx and bluff with some hands that floated and picked up combo draws to miss although maybe there aren't that many of them either which just makes a straightforward value bet the most +EV option.
I'm new to these games and don't fully have a feel for ranges which is throwing up these kinds of spots.
Nov. 6, 2018 | 6:01 p.m.
So I don't know villain here and I'm not running a HUD at this point. I think pre is 100% standard and we just have a clear value hand on the flop, his range is strong raising UTG then cbetting into 2 players so seems like the only play is to c/r. I think my sizing is ok but it sets up stacks weird on the turn. I don't want to go too much bigger or smaller though.
I'm even a bit concerned about the turn, but not sure if I need to be? Like he can have JTs, TT or 89s as well as JJ even tho we block the Jx combos. Also 44. Maybe that is like monsters under the bed though, I think our hand isn't quite as high up in our range on this particular turn though.
He can continue with FD's, overpairs, QK and maybe some single Jx like QJs, KJs, AJs.
Are we always trying to just get it in on the turn here and what's the best size given the stacks. I considered shoving but thought it might be a bit overkill.
Nov. 6, 2018 | 5:54 p.m.
So I think pre flop and flop/turn are standard. Just wanted a quick check. Villain is a bit of an unknown to me.
On one hand we can just say yeah loads of draws have missed, FD's, TJs, some random straight draws - and click call. But it's also a really bad board for someone to try and donk bluff with those hands and I find in my experience when people take lines where they donk bet out of turn, especially on a bad card/board, it's usually just them trying to extract value.
So can I find a fold? Would a fold be somewhat hero'y or am I trying too hard to make an exploitative fold and self owning here?
Nov. 6, 2018 | 5:27 p.m.
Sorry guys the site I'm playing on isn't supported by the converter. I tried to convert the PokerTracker HH as it said that was supported but it didn't work.
Anyways, I'm still learning these games so I'm unsure in a lot of spots. I don't have any HUD stats on these guys but both are regs. Pre I think we should either be flat calling or 3betting. Not sure which is better but I don't see it being too bad in either direction. I'm always hesitant to 3b an UTG opener especially with what could be a dominated Ax as well.
The initial raiser checks and I'd be expecting a cbet a decent % of the time here on this board, although slightly less than a HU pot. I don't see raising as being good here vs the BTN stab as we still have the UTG to act behind and our hand isn't vulnerable enough to need protection but maybe not strong enough to warrant a raise either?
UTG folding helps me as now we're HU and we turn an OESD as well. Again I don't think we want to c/r as we can already be beaten by 2pair, straights and sets and it's pretty thin for value vs draws/air/pair+draws. So no other option than to just c/c. Feels like the most straightforward decision in the hand.
By the river I'm feeling like there aren't a massive amount of hands in his range that we beat. He can have AJ, AQ potentially. As well as 88,99, QT. If he does have a hand like KQ or JT he's not going to be betting the turn/river when they pair. So I'm finding it hard to give him enough air/draws to justify a call on this board.
We do block the Ax hands and QT also but I'm not sure how significant that is here.
Are we folding here a lot?
Nov. 6, 2018 | 5:14 p.m.
SetMineUrAss I think you make a lot of valid points that need to be heard. However, you're only comparing Poker against gaining a solid job/income in the United States. It's just not a useful comparison really as most people won't be able to easily obtain the kind of employment you mention here. I know that may be incomprehensible if you consider $15/hr minimum wage but I'm from the UK and that would still be considered a reasonable hourly wage for most unskilled work.
You could just as easily compare a $3k monthly poker income vs the average income in Vietnam and it would be much more favorable obviously.
Anyway I don't want this to become a conversation about economic conditions outside of Poker. I was asking about the Poker economy and just plucked the $5k figure from the top of my head as I think it represents a fairly good standard of living anywhere in the world and still feels achievable in Poker.
Nov. 5, 2018 | 10:13 a.m.
Hi Onkleb, just read your blog from start to finish (or should I say Finnish) and it's really inspiring!
Do you have any recommendations for getting started in zoom? Like what videos would you say are good on RIO? What kind of HUD do you use for these games?
Good luck and I hope you continue to progress!
Oct. 30, 2018 | 6:35 p.m.
Thanks for the replies, it's great to see people so keen to help. Reminds me of 2p2 in the old days.
What would you say are the best vids for a beginning zoom player on RIO? Think I'm going to give some small stakes zoom a go and maybe even start a blog of my own.
Oct. 30, 2018 | 6:15 p.m.
Thanks for the responses.
If you think really hard about where the suspicion of poker not being profitable comes from, you'll notice that the suspicions are based on fear and uncertainty instead of anything concrete.
I really think this is accurate yeah. Personally I don't have any poker playing friends so I'm not hearing success stories etc and yeah I do read a lot of the negativity on 2p2 as well. I don't see loads of random guys posting graphs from small stakes NLH and things like this so I just assume it's not happening.
Are there any blogs or things like this where pros update their progress? Just seeing would be believing for me.
Oct. 30, 2018 | 1:13 p.m.
Without sounding too apocalyptic, it really feels like there isn't much opportunity to make $5k+ a month in Poker now. Are all the coaches on RIO making solid money? Is this just my impression because I'm a fish?
Is it possible to make $ in small stakes 6 max games like say $2-3k a month at 50nl?
Oct. 30, 2018 | 10:23 a.m.
MP: 49,509 (Hero)
MP lost and shows two pair, Tens and Nines.
UTG+1 wins 101,393
June 12, 2017 | 4:20 p.m.
If we deviate from an optimal strategy we are necessarily making ourselves exploitable. Just because villain doesn't exploit us doesn't mean we are unexploitable, it's just that he hasn't exploited us.
So I think your explanation of that bit around 13:00 might be wrong.
May 11, 2015 | 9:59 p.m.
Also I would love to see a video on lifestyle/nutrition/exercise from Jason Koon.
I don't think he holds any actual qualifications in these areas (I could easily be wrong) but either way I think he would have a lot of practical advice for the poker playing community on these topics and how to get the most out of them to maximise your own poker performance.
I think hearing this advice from a player held in such high esteem would cause a lot of people to actually act on it and it would have a massive positive impact on a lot of people which I'm sure would appeal to Jason personally.
April 7, 2015 | 12:46 p.m.
I'd like to see a series where someone explains how to use CREV in depth. Starting out very basic and building on it each episode.
There are a lot of videos where CREV is used but it is often hard to follow or understand the conclusions if you're not well versed in CREV yourself as the viewer.
Also more holdemresourcecalculator vids, the few that are on RIO are good but maybe a few more with some more interesting spots would be cool.
April 6, 2015 | 3:02 p.m.
Brilliant vid again, I actually like the pace and attention to detail. I think thoroughly understanding every factor you consider with your thought process is where a lot of the value lies for lesser experienced MTT players such as myself.
I also like the fact it is shorthanded with antes because you're getting into more marginal and interesting spots post flop. Looking forward to more!
March 26, 2015 | 12:37 p.m.
What's the bottom of your flat calling range here pre flop then like 87s, 76s? At what depth would you be okay calling such a low suited one gapper?
And what does bet until they let you mean? :D Just keep unloading the clip until they raise or fold?
March 20, 2015 | 12:10 a.m.
CO: 3,160 (Hero)
March 19, 2015 | 6:16 p.m.
I do believe it's possible to put oneself through dedicated, fruitful training, such as physical training, or poker training, without it being a painful experience. But only if that person has already been through the training required to see pain for what it is and consciously reduce it in the moment sometimes, in other words, meditation.
Was going to brand the video a complete load of tosh until I read this in the comments. Totally makes sense now. Didn't like the banjo music or feel the need for such a long intro/history though.
Anything more on approaching poker study would be great though as this is something I've always struggled to be consistent with.
Look forward to more, thanks and gl
March 16, 2015 | 10:55 p.m.
This is a good video with a nice mix of games. I'd really like to see some more CAP stuff from you as well. My only complaint is that the video quality is somewhat blurry so it makes it difficult to read stack sizes and bet sizes.
I have a few questions about some decisions you made as well -
23:22 bottom right you fold K2s in the SB to a min raise from BTN. Is that standard? Are you flatting this from the BB if you know you close the action? Also are you more likely to flat this as effective stacks get shallower like in the CAP game, whereas you might find more folds with it deeper?
30:57 bottom left you fold KJo UTG, assuming KQo is the bottom of your open range there?
Apart from that I think you explained everything really well post-flop!