I'm not sure I agree with the assumption that we have some kind of range advantage on this flop here. You said " i can have sets and two pair combos here as much or more often than villain" but I don't think that's true. Any competent player will be raising all A6/A4, 66/44 and 64s. We don't call 64o. And we're 3betting our better Ax hands so he has all of those while we have none of them. So he has the range advantage here I believe.
I don't think it makes too much difference here but generally we would probably want to c/r less as this disadvantage gets larger in our opponent's favour.
May 17, 2019 | 2:06 p.m.
Thanks for the responses.
I find it hard to imagine the regs in these pools/games value betting 99 here or jamming 77 either tbh. Maybe they do but I haven't seen it. I don't think that's me justifying my play with some kind of bias either I just don't think these guys are that accurate with their ranges.
April 30, 2019 | 3:06 p.m.
Hi guys, if anyone could help me get my HH's converted using the site's converter that would be great. I've always had to use these weaktight conversions otherwise.
To the hand - basically I was very close to just folding the turn if I'm honest. I don't think GTO would ever fold there but villain here had 0% 3b over only about 65 hands. Not sure if he's definitely a reg but pretty sure he is.
I'm guessing GTO would call this down a lot but in practice I'm not sure people are bluffing off here with anywhere near the right number of bluffs.
What do you guys think? Thanks
April 29, 2019 | 2:53 p.m.
Sorry for the weaktight conversion, RIO doesn't accept my PT4 hh's!
I have no idea if this is just a standard call down. Villain is a reg. I'm probably viewed as pretty tight so they're not 3betting my UTG opens very wide at all. Also I'm not sure if many (any?) regs at this level will have the relevant number of bluffs in this kind of scenario.
March 28, 2019 | 6:33 p.m.
Sorry can't convert PT4 hh's somehow.
I feel like this is a straightforward spot really. Like in theory he should have some worse hands for value as well as some bluffs. But in practice in this pool I'm not so sure that's the case. But if we're bet/folding KK here then we're going to be folding a shit ton and possibly self exploiting. I don't know.
Maybe I'm forgetting all the times they show up with JT or ATdd or AQ etc but it just feels like a spot where you're not ahead that often. But also feels like I can't fold.
March 28, 2019 | 6:25 p.m.
Sorry my PT4 HH's aren't accepted on here for some reason unknown to me.
Villain is a reg, I have no HUD stats but he's not a spazz or anything. I took the c/c line just because I think it's a good hand for it with the backdoors and works well as a c/c hand imo. We can bet it sometimes also obv. I can't fold flop/turn but I don't see river being a spot that regs will bluff especially not with this sizing? It's hard to find too many sort of "natural bluffs" for him here but there are a lot of very logical hands that could take this line for value vs what I guess is a pretty face up range from my end.
AQs KJs TT - although I guess he checks TT a lot. Not sure how he's going to play AQs here pre if I'm honest. When I look at it, his value range might not be that huge but it's not a board I see regs in this pool bluffing at.
Can I fold river with a population read? Is this even somewhat close according to gto/solvers? Also I think the blinds are pretty weak which can add a lot more flats to his range pre I assume.
March 28, 2019 | 6:18 p.m.
So I think the only decision point worth talking about is river obviously. Don't see a need to raise flop/turn or is that an option? We do block AK/AQ here and a lot of bdfd combos but I'm not sure if this is a board that will be bluffed much at all. Probably much lower bluffing frequency than a solver would suggest.
March 1, 2019 | 12:16 a.m.
Also in hindsight here I think his sizing is noteworthy on an individual basis but also is probably something the population do a bit more. Like he has a value hand he wants to bet but he doesn't want to go too big, whereas a stronger and less vulnerable value hand like KK I feel they'd bet bigger ironically. Slap bang half pot on both flop and turn. See fish do that with medium strength hands all the time.
Feb. 22, 2019 | 9:31 p.m.
So I don't really think there is much discussion here, my response is to just shrug and stick it in. We have too much equity vs most probable ranges I guess. What I'm curious about really is what villain is doing here, I have him labelled as a fish but no idea why. I've seen quite a few regs make these kind of massive overbets though. Is it some kind of awful attempt at an exploit? Like can this ever be good? I assume he has no read on me or any reason to do this.
Feb. 20, 2019 | 11:19 p.m.
Sorry can't convert these HH's on here. No real reads, I have villain tagged as a fish but don't know why. No hud stats allowed. I think the pre flop, flop and turn action are all pretty much mandatory and anyone else would play them the same? So then it's just a case of do we jam/bet river and try to push him off a 1 pair hand or just give up?
Feb. 20, 2019 | 11:10 p.m.
Sorry to have to post the Raw HH but RIO can't convert their own hands just yet :D
Villain in this hand seems like a reg. I can't see any other option than just bet/folding river for value from Kx hands. Doubt he can have many bluffs here so I'm crushed.
Run It Once Poker Hand #30591556: Hold'em No Limit (€0.10/€0.20) - 2019/02/07 11:00 UTC [2019/02/07 12:00 CET]
Table ID '30583217' 6-Max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Jacob H (€31.33 in chips)
Seat 2: Evan B (€81.54 in chips)
Seat 4: HERO (€36 in chips)
Seat 5: Daniel S (€41.13 in chips)
Seat 6: Kenneth O (€30.71 in chips)
Daniel S: posts small blind €0.10
Kenneth O: posts big blind €0.20
* HOLE CARDS
Dealt to HERO [Ac Ad]
Jacob H: folds
Evan B: raises €0.30 to €0.50
HERO: raises €1.00 to €1.50
Daniel S: folds
Kenneth O: folds
Evan B: calls €1
FLOP [Kc 6s 2c]
Evan B: checks
HERO: bets €1.33
Evan B: calls €1.33
TURN [Kc 6s 2c] [Tc]
Evan B: checks
poncheezied: bets €3.21
Evan B: calls €3.21
RIVER [Kc 6s 2c Tc] [Td]
Evan B: checks
HERO: bets €8.44
Evan B: raises €67.06 to €75.50
Evan B: mucks hand
Evan B: mucks hand
Uncalled bet (€67.06) returned to Evan B
Evan B collected €27.58 from pot
Total pot €29.26 | Rake €1.68
Board [Kc 6s 2c Tc Td]
Seat 1: Jacob H folded before Flop
Seat 5: Daniel S (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Kenneth O (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: HERO (button) folded during River
Seat 2: Evan B mucked hand and won €27.58
Feb. 7, 2019 | 11:08 a.m.
So I'm pretty lost for ranges in this spot. I guess he can check the flop with a set and possibly play the same way with AK? I don't see there being many bluffs in his range but we're surely towards the top of ours and have to call?
Are we c/c turn with much of a frequency?
Jan. 25, 2019 | 12:48 p.m.
So again I'm a bit unsure of ranges, am I being a nit here by thinking I might be beat? Can he play AQ/AK the same way? I think the way he played it with his actual hand is pretty good (especially if I'm considering a fold it's good vs me) but I just wasn't expecting there to be too many of these semi bluffs in his range.
Jan. 25, 2019 | 12:44 p.m.
Villain is a Ukranian reg, I don't have stats as no HUDs allowed. I don't see anyone semi bluffing by making a small turn raise here. It just looks like either a straight or higher set raising to get it in/protect. Don't think 2 pair would play this way either and most of them he wouldn't be raising pre. Maybe just 87s and T8s.
Easy fold or am I missing something?
Jan. 24, 2019 | 9:18 p.m.
Alright so I'm thinking he won't just shove too many flopped flushes and could be on something like AcQx or some kind of combo draw/2p etc basically vs his get in range on flop I think we should be +EV here?
Jan. 14, 2019 | 11:19 a.m.
So I think the hand is standard up until the river, maybe my sizings are a bit too small throughout? I can't see how he can c/c then turn a hand into a bluff here although maybe it's possible with fish. I felt like it's just a slowplayed set/2p or he's backed into a flush somehow.
Jan. 7, 2019 | 4:58 p.m.
I'm not super happy about this QJ9r flop. It smashes his 3b flatting range and I don't think we have much of a range advantage here. For that reason I think maybe I should be checking here a lot with my range and this hand also?
Like even here where I bet and get a semi safe turn (I think?) I'm still unsure whether I can be value betting. Once he makes that min raise it just looks like a straight or 2p trying to get me to commit.
Jan. 7, 2019 | 4:50 p.m.
So the limp behind pre is a bit risky given the SB small stack but both are fish so I thought implied odds would maybe make the EV on this slightly better than folding.
My initial plan was to bet/fold river but then I talked myself into believing he could c/r a 2p hand given he's a fish and it's a limped pot. Is that an inaccurate assumption? I guess also sometimes there might be some missed FD's turning into a bluff but feel like this is probably an underbluffed spot.
Jan. 7, 2019 | 4:47 p.m.
So I know my call pre is a bit loose but the blinds are both fish, no stats on their 3b tendencies as such but they don't stand out as aggro. Is this basically always a flush on river for this size bet and he's trying to extract max value from a 5x or T9 that can't fold?
I don't see what hands he would call twice here with then turn into a bluff either. And even if he is taking a weird line betting T9 we're still beat. Don't think he does this with 5x to push u off a chop so it's just a huge negative freeroll and easy fold?
Jan. 7, 2019 | 4:43 p.m.
Mancuso so you would find a fold here? I totally agree that I find it very hard for them to have bluffs. Maybe I should be deviating to make what gto would consider a tight fold given this is probably just some random fish with no bluffing range.
Jan. 2, 2019 | 6:59 p.m.
So even though we're pretty far up in our range here I still can't see us being too far ahead of his c/r range if we assume there won't be too many FD's or bluffs. The fold does feel overly tight given we picked up a gutshot but the FD does reduce our equity if he is semi bluffing with it sometimes as well. I don't think people are c/r these boards in a 3b pot light, maybe I'm wrong. I know hud stats or a read would make this easier but it's zoom on a site with no huds which makes everything harder.
Jan. 2, 2019 | 6:27 p.m.
So I'm not sure if I should bet turn for value here, I feel like I should given the amount of draws he can have esp it being multiway pre. River he can still be turning a missed draw into a bluff although the sizing did look like a value bet trying to get a crying call from overpairs. I'm not so sure he'd bluff with that same sizing.