Hello people, I decided to purchase GTO + but am stuck for hours on building my tree properly. I just can't understand what am doing wrong. I've inserted the bet sizes that I wish the solver to run but when I click run sim the IP player only has 1 bet sizing and I know its not because the other sizes are not preferred but rather a mistake on my input since as you can see on the image the tree has not built the sizes. Any help would be appreciated.
Sept. 7, 2019 | 8:28 p.m.
My name is Johnny. I am a 27 yr old Greek who lives in Melbourne Australia.
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Sept. 7, 2019 | 9:17 a.m.
Hi, am thinking of purchasing gto +. As a micro/low stakes mtt player it seems the most affordable option currently.
Was wondering what exactly is preflop solving and subtree configurations that PIO does but gto + doesnt. Not sure what those things refer to.
Aug. 27, 2019 | 3:16 p.m.
Am just curious to how wide we can 3bet jam over a prefloo open on other spots. Like mp vs ep or sb vs ep or btn vs ep or like.bb vs mp.
I guess i should purchase hrc and figure out myself. Another thing is that i am assuming that when the opener calls wider than nash vs our 3bet shove we should probably 3bet rip tighter (but maybe that isnt the case and we cam actually 3bet shove wider than nash since we have better equity when called) not really sure.
Aug. 26, 2019 | 4:37 p.m.
Aces up I think refers to two pairs with an ace. Thanks for the insightful videos Ryan Martin ! Looking forward to more. I also enjoyed the coaching sessions with Jordan. Would love to see some more of those for MTTs.
Aug. 26, 2019 | 12:25 p.m.
Basically, agree with Rich, you should watch Ryan Martin's MTT fundamentals series as it's really good content.
I would highly note that BRM is very important in MTTs if you want to have less stressful periods where you just don't cash anything and eliminate the risk of going broke/having to redeposit.
You should also consider investing in software such as ICMIZER or HRC which will help you with your short-stack game. Really useful tools for MTT players.
Take it day by day. If you have enough free time to put volume in tournaments they can be a hell of a ride. Quite enjoyable but also devastating, this is why we love them though :) Nothing more exciting in poker than being deep in a tourney.
All the best and GL!
Aug. 7, 2019 | 3:07 p.m.
As you can see we are quite favorite on this flop 3way but the problem is that there are a lot of bad turn and river cards for our hand.
I am advocating for betting so that we take down the pot basically right on the flop and/or extract some value with our superior equity.
The 30-40 per cent I mentioned refers to the pot size bet we should be stabbing in that spot 3way IP on the flop.
By betting we control the pot better since we can check back some turns and bluffcatch rivers or even bet turn..in general I believe by taking the betting lead in a spot where we have equity advantage with our hand should be something that we should be looking to do.
I agree with you on the point that we want to have some Ax in our check back range that's why I added that this hand is a fine check back.
I personally would play this betting 30-40 per cent on the flop most of the times with the occasional check back for those reasons.
When I bet the flop I expect to get called by worse Ax, some sticky underpairs + draws. You are right that BB should fold most of his Qx but I can definitely see some players being sticky with Qx on this spot at least on the flop.
As I said taking the pot down right on the flop is not a bad result since there is a good chance that by the river one of the other two opponents will outdraw us.
Aug. 7, 2019 | 12:44 p.m.
Hey Jeremy Menard , really good vid, thanks for doing this.
On the 3rd hand where flop was Qh4c2h and we had KhJd and decided to check raise, I am wondering how we would need to proceed when turn is an even more dynamic turn than the Td, like a heart or Q or like 5h.
Also am wondering what do we do with KJo when we bet turn for a 60 per cent sizing and IP jams on us, I guess we just call with our open ender?
Aug. 6, 2019 | 2:46 a.m.
Pedro Madeira Yo Pedro,
Why would you advocate to have a wide limping range in this spot on the button?
Is something I hae incorporated too lately in my game am just not sure when to execute it.
Is it because on this particular situation we are 3rd in chips and we have a passive cl in the BB? Would it change if we were 3 handed on a FT and we were on the btn but we were the CL?
Aug. 5, 2019 | 2:18 p.m.
Now checking back this flop should also be done with some frequency but for the most part i d be looking to bet. I think it has higher ev than checking and controls the action on the hand better than checking.
So mostly betting mixing in with some checks occassionally or when we have relevant reads that lead us towards checking more.
Aug. 5, 2019 | 2:12 p.m.
I believe is a spot where we want to bet the flop. Given we are multiway and IP, I would advocate for a small sizing around 30-50 per cent pot.
You say we have BD equity but you forget the most impoetant part that we have too pair.
Basically the reason we bet is to get value from our hand and also get protection. If BB folda like 55s thata a big win foe us since he still has around 10 pee cent equity to outdraw us by the river. Another reason to bet is to play for stacks vs the BB who has a wide range. He has quite some weaker Ax than us and some Qx and drawd that we get value straight by betting.
Basically we need a ton of protection. I would not worry about utg check raising us. We could simply fold vs this aggressive check raise and defend with our slowplays (AA, AK), our two pairs and combo draws. His check raising is fairly strong on that spot so i would just muck.
Yes there is some benefit in checking back and getting to realise our equity fully with our bd draws but we need to be able to see the bigger picture which is that by betting we get heaps of value vs the BB and also get much needed protection.
I would much rather check back this combo IP in a HU pot rather 3 way for those reasons.
Hope this all makes sense.
Aug. 5, 2019 | 2:08 p.m.
Hey Saulo Ribeiro , thanks for the content!
I have one question, would you argue that rake has some effect in our decision making on some spots. For instance, in around 17mins of the vid you say how K7hh should be a call vs cbet on Ts9s2x flop and many players would miss that call. Solver dictates that the EV gain is 0.2bb per 100 when we call this K high on that board.
My question is would the fact that we pay rake when we call affects our decision and the 0.2 bb per 100 becomes a negative call or the solver takes rake into effect before calculating the ev gain?
Aug. 4, 2019 | 6:25 a.m.
I kinda see a benefit in favoring for the smaller cbet sizing on that dynamic flop since we get a lot of awkward runouts. As Pedro said, we shouldnt be afraid to get x/raised otf.
I also agree that we shouls be looking to bet turn, check back river and yes we can bet fold turn not only because villain is likely to underbluff turn when he checks jam but because we have a shiton of better hands to call down.
Aug. 2, 2019 | 3:44 p.m.
Hey Pedro, it makes me glad that you agree with my comment. Det gives me some confidence that i dont completely suck..lol.. I been enjoying watching your.videos and learn a lot. Cheers and keep up the good work :)
July 31, 2019 | 5:32 p.m.
Thanks for the video Owen! Very informative.
Def one of my favorite MTT coaches!
Also is cool that we get to see some of the PIO work for us that are in micros and have not bought the program.
Lastly i think that we need more videos of HRC on the site. Shoving, calling shoves, cold calling jams is something that I have not found a lot of coaches talk about using software and is def very important for MTT players.
July 30, 2019 | 4:02 p.m.
Definetaly fine 3bet pre. Can mix in some flats but 3bets too. Vs a 4bet we call.
Flop should cbet for a larger sizing like 2/3 most of the times with mixing in some checks.
When he check jams we have a very easy call with our overpair.
July 29, 2019 | 3:30 p.m.
They are deffinately beatable. I have over 700 5 50s on demands played and my roi is somehwhere around 20 per cent. I know my sample is small but still you can expect to beat them over longer samples too if you re good. They are also great practise for shortstack play and ICM.
As you re may be aware reading this, your icm game must be on top in ltm on those demands to make some good profit.
July 29, 2019 | 3:27 p.m.
I do not like raising this dynamic flop texture with our specific hand. I would prefer doing this with stronger and weaker hands. We may be ahead of his range on the flop when he bets small and we benefit from getting some value from hands like KJ, QJ, pairs + straight draws, etc but at the same time is a very very dynamic board texture where equities can shift a lot by the river. so I prefer to make a profitable call with the odds am getting and see what turn develops.
In other words, we do not have a hand that wants to play for stacks yet and by raising this is sort of what we are saying. even his calling range versus our raise could have a fair bit of equity.
The fact that is a 3bet pot change things a bit in my opinion because on SRP stack to pot ratio is smaller so we benefit from some protection by raising top pair vs smaller cbets but on this instance, we would have to play for stacks by the river when we raise.
As played, the turn is fine I think and thing is that on the river we should not have many Kx (as played) so in theory, we should be looking to look opponent up.
Hands that he can turn into a bluff are T9s (3 combos), Q9s (3 combos), J9s (2 combos). His value range consists of KJs (2 combos), some AK probably (let's give him 5 combos), KQ (12 combos) and KK (3 combos).
So a total of 8 bluff combos and 22 of value. His bet sizing on the river gives us almost a break even/indifferent decision IF he has the above range for both his bluffs and values.
There are two things to consider: A) you showed a lot of weakness on the turn, B) population generally doesn't bluff on spots like these.
I would say that those two things eliminate each other so we have an indifferent decision.
Both call and fold are fine and I would not worry much about my decision since you can't go terribly wrong and lose a ton of EV either way.
June 5, 2019 | 4:10 p.m.
I think on the turn I prefer often betting with this particular hand having the Kc with the intention to bluff on club rivers.
We block strong Jx and villain would likely raise the flop on a fairly dynamic texture if he had better than 1 pair.
By betting, we accomplish to get him to fold hands like 88s or 99s or even some weak Tx.
The problem with betting is that he may some times shove a worse draw as a bluff like Q9, KQ, K9, etc.. and then we would have to fold..while by check shoving we get to get some value out of those hands when he decides to bet the turn.
If the villain is somewhat a decent opponent he should have some bets on the turn with draws as well as some checks.
a problem with shoving is that we do not get better hands to fold..maybe even a Tx if he stabs ott with the intention to check back river..but even that is questionable he fires.
Given the fact that he shouldn't raise our bet with his draws given he can't represent much (Jx or some rare slowplays may do this) but most opponents will just call I think and deviate from GTO on spots like this.
So, all in all, I think I prefer a bet turn shove club rivers..but as Jeff said we should have some checks on the turn with our draws and not barrel all of them..so I see myself sometimes checking with that particular hand on the turn and then deciding according to his sizing what to do..check call is not that terrible either and is sth I would elect to do versus a smaller sizing.
Dynamics are fairly important I would say. If none, then a mix between bet turn, shove club rivers or check/call check/shove turn works fine with similar EV I would think.
June 5, 2019 | 3:39 p.m.
I think on the river you should check back or maybe bet like 1/3 pot to try to squeeze some value from worse hands like pair of 8s...maybe even bet 1/4 pot just to get thin value.
When he raises you should be looking to fold especially given villain's stats and without any dynamics (we have seen him doing some crazy things)
when you bet and the raise the river is usually pretty nutted on these stakes and I would continue only with a great selection of hands or versus specific opponents and on specific board textures.
Set on the river when there is a flush on board, you bet and they raise is a fold most of the times.
June 5, 2019 | 3:28 p.m.
Preflop is fine.
Flop you could either check/call or bet/fold..both have merit..overall i prefer bet/fold since is 4way pot and dont expect people to stab with worse hands often so we benefit from some protection/value..
Turn we add a straight draw but i wouldnt bet vs 2 opponents..getting raised is disasterous since we have to fold pretty much..so i prefer check/call..you can argue of bet turn shove river as a bluff but i would rather do that move with other parts of my range and just add our 88s into our check calling range..
When we call and river gives us the str8 i would just shove for value..i dont think theres need to have some bluffs in our shoving range on the river but from a gto perspective i would shove some of my bottom two pair for bluff
If we dont improve then i would check fold...
May 5, 2019 | 3:19 p.m.
I like the way you played the hand all the way but i believe that on the river we have to shove for value. There are a ton of hands thay can call there worse than ours and most of his qq+ i think he gets them in otf or turn if he is good..ofc he coule have some traps with qq+ or the nuts but remember lots of worse hands that call down..we re also relatively high in our range and we can balance it with some a highs bluffs
Oct. 2, 2018 | 6:38 p.m.
I think you can comfortably call turn.8 is a great turn card for your hand..draw heavy board..also the fact that we block some bluffs doesnt mean he couldnt have some of the remaining..i think with this hand i call flop snd turn and fold river..in position player will stab a lot on those spots even if they re passive (small sample bias!?) And we have a good hand to bluffcatch..i also dont mind cbetting flop for the reasons that someone ^ mentioned..i think in poker there is more than 1 way to play a spot and need to weigh in a lot of factors in the decision making process..also is important to remain balanced in our approaches which means sometimes bet sometimes check flop..the thought that is not a good card to barrel in villain shoes shouldnt bother us cause that way we level ourselves..we should approach the situation as it is which is is a good card for us therefore we will be doing little to no fold on the turn and a lot of leading check calls and check raises
Oct. 2, 2018 | 6:30 p.m.
Couple of things..first of all am confident that vs unknowns our optimal strategy should be to play game theory oriented unexploitative poker. The reason for that is the same readon we say we hit set with a pair on the flop 1/8 times..meaning that in reality we could have better odds if lets say we have 33s and the hands that were folded didnt include 33s or wr could have less than 1/8 if some of the folds had 3 in their hand..thing is we dont know what was the case so we eliminate the folding cards and the removal effect from our decision making process. Similar to the above scenario villain could be a gto wizard or a total fish . But we need to play unexploitative poker which makes money on both occasions..even vs fish..
I wouldnt fold any flush on the river as played since we dont have many full houses , if any at all, in our range..villain could in fact show up with quite some bluffs..you d be suprised of how many random bluffs he could show up..