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Renegaz

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Yes, exactly! I'm not worried about going broke (or not) postflop, because there will be times I'll fold, other times I will have set/set, others they will fold, others we will check down on super wet boards, etc...

Maybe my description was not clear, but what I wanted to calculate was -
"In a squeezed pot - how much Could I raise to, in order to avoid one(or two) players setmine us profitably."

And surely some villains will not calculate and still call 22-99 to "setmine", but by doing it poorly (in a sure loss scenario) I can also take a easy note on that.

But in a squeeze, say MP opens 3bb, CO calls 3bb, Hero on BU raises "13"bb.
With the dead blinds +1.5bb = already 20.5bb for the original raiser to call 10bb.
If he calls, the second caller has an easy time to call 10bb to enter a 31bb pot.

As "calling 10bb" looks doable I wondered what number could we get to...

Feb. 8, 2020 | 12:32 p.m.

I made calculations for post flop, no worries going broke ahead range or behind sets.They can donk or check-raise broke with 33 or KQ/QJ / 2pair at KT3 and I'm not folding TPTK x his range.

I mean, my question is: if people are paying 14bb preflop with a PP, would they pay 15...16.5, 18bb ? Which threshold line becomes "a certain loss" for anyone calling PP ?

Because if someone is making a clearly negative call preflop to setmine, I will insta-profit anyway (and more reasons to go broke with TPTK when they hit worse part of their range at lower SPR).

Feb. 8, 2020 | 12:13 a.m.

I usually get stacked in the following situation:

MP opens 3bb
CO calls 3bb
Hero on BU with AQs / AKs squeees 14bb.

Both players call.
Pot is 43bb - Flop comes something like "3KT" or "3QJ" rainbow giving me TPTK.

Someone donks full pot, other player fold, I shove the remaining. Villain shows "33". (Or whatever is the card bellow 6).
Yes, sometimes they do it with worse broadways that I dominate or combodraws, but there's a good share of sets and some live equity.

Other times, both players check, I bet 25-30bb both players fold.

How much should I squeeze to, that the times I get stacked by a PP are covered by winnings with c-betting / value betting?
Is there any simple calculation for that ?

I mean, people are calling 14bb preflop to set mine... (or CC OOP with KQ/22-JJ)
Should I raise even more??

Feb. 7, 2020 | 10:31 p.m.

I'd like to know other player's reasoning on situations that involve a "dubious" river Bet or a check behind to conclude the hand.

Today I had 3 hands that unfolded quite similarly. (Everyone 100bb deep / all hands)

Hand 1 - QhQd
Hero CO raises 2.5bb with QhQd.
2 folds, BB calls.

Flop comes 6c5s8s (pot 5.5bb)
- BB donks 4bb
- Hero calls / raise ?

Turn comes 3h (pot 13,5 bb)
- BB checks / Hero bets 8bb / BB calls

River comes 6s (pot 29,5bb)

Board now reads 6c5s8s3h6s - BB Checks - Hero should bet QQ ? (as well as 99-TT-JJ ???)
If you bet (how much) and would you fold to a raise? Is check behind a good option now that river completed the flush and paired the 6?

Hand 2 - JhJs
HJ opens 3bb
Hero CO 3bets to 9bb
others fold

Flop comes 6s9s4c (pot 19 bb)
CO checks, Hero bets 10bb, CO calls.

Turn comes Ts (pot 39 bb)
CO checks, Hero bets 20bb CO calls.

River comes 2s (4 cards of "S" giving us J high flush) - pot 79bb.
CO checks - Hero remaining stack = 60~65bb - Shove or check behind ?

Hand 3 - KsJs
CO limps 1bb
Hero BU ISO 4bb
others fold

Flop comes 5hJh8d (pot 9,5bb)
CO donks 7bb / Hero calls

Turn comes As (pot 23bb)
CO checks / Hero bets 12bb / CO calls

River comes any brick not completing flush / not pairing the board
Pot now has ~45bb - CO checks - Hero checks behind = Thoughts ?

Any advice is highly welcomed.

Feb. 3, 2020 | 9:54 p.m.

Wish you all the best in 2020, and that your goals become reality.

Buying a house (supported by Poker money) is a huge achievement, even if it's only a fraction of the payment, it gives a lifetime confidence boost.

Happy that you turned around your 30bi down to recoup at nl 50-100. Congrats on overcoming that.

Jan. 7, 2020 | 4:01 p.m.

Post | Renegaz posted in NLHE: Check raise nut flush draws OOP?

Example as 3bet OPP:
CO opens 2.5bb
SB (Hero) 3bets 9.5bb Ad2d
BB folds

Pot 20bb
Flop comes Jd5h8d
Hero checks - CO Bets 8~14bb - Hero raises 24~35bb

Is this a decent line at 100bb no reads?

Example at BB call:
HiJack opens 2.5bb
others fold
BB (Hero) completes with Ad3d

Pot 5,5 bb
Flop comes Jd5h8d

At this pot size, isn't it better to check-call flop -> check-raise turn or if checked behind at turn, bet river ?

I mean, at first hand we would get more fold equity / still have decent equity when going broke at flop, but on the smaller pots, we would get more money by letting our opponent bet flop, bet turn, bet river
- Does this assumption make sense in reality ?

Dec. 12, 2019 | 4:29 a.m.

Thanks PrankCallRiver, could you please clarify #1
" x/r’ing 2p+ and combo draws as a lot of tight/weak players do, is pretty big leak on some boards." ?

Shouldn't we "always" check raise these against a 25-35% cbet ?
I mean, usually I call a decent size flop bet to let villain barrel turn and be x/r all-in?

Btw, congrats on being top5 of the month.

Nov. 29, 2019 | 3:30 a.m.

I'm searching for videos / content that deal with the following situations:

Hero (UTG or MP) opens a 15~20% range for 2.5bb.
CO or BU 3bets to 8.5bb

Which kind of software / tools should be used to study and build your defense ratio?
I mean, OOP we fold the weakest part of our range, we 4bet/broke all value (QQ+, AKs), but what about the part we call - 4bet/fold ?

I think the weakest part of my game is how to react to 3bets while being OOP.
1- If I call, 100% I check any flop and feels like I'm the fish calling station or end up check/raising the nuts.

2- If I get to be dominated and lose money post flop, isn't better to 4bet bluff things like KTs KJs instead of calling OOP ?

3- I don't do this, but do people 4bet fold QQ?
I mean, after betting 23-25bb PF, shouldn't QQ be in our continuing/call shove range?

Nov. 29, 2019 | 12:27 a.m.

Today, this situation happened 3 times:

MP opens 2.5bb
Hero CO 3bets 8bb with TT
Others fold.

Flop Th9h8s
V checks, Hero bets 66%, V calls

Turn 7s
V checks, Hero ???
- Should I bet / overbet? What if I'm check raised, how to continue?

Let's say Hero checks behind to induce and make a call on river specially if it's a brick / non flush...
River comes Qc
Villain leads 60% of the pot (~22bb in a 37bb pot)
Hero ???

Second hand was:
MP opens 3bb
Hero BU 3bets 9bb with QQ

Flop comes "QJ9" rainbow
V checks, Hero bets 66%, V calls

Turn "T"
V checks, Hero ???

Again, let's say Hero checks behind on the turn, but river comes any brick / non flush.
Villain leads 60% of the pot at river (~25bb in a 40bb pot)

What makes more sense in these hands, to heavy bet turn and try to check behind river or check behind turn and call river?

Nov. 27, 2019 | 10:21 p.m.

Comment | Renegaz commented on NL16z AA vs reg

Hey HugO , What do you think about my view of check-raising turn ?

Nov. 27, 2019 | 4:43 p.m.

Comment | Renegaz commented on NL16z AA vs reg

I honestly check raise a lot these turns to apply pressure on JJ-QQ and some fish that is betting with 9J / combo flush draws.
Maybe I'm luck, but there's only a couple of times that I went broke at turn losing against a full house. Somehow I stacked players holding 99-JJ even 8x a good number of times or got easy folds when they bet air (I'd do it with KK anytime).

As played I'd fold river.

Nov. 27, 2019 | 1:56 p.m.

If possible, I'd like to see something related to when you are facing aggression = being 3betted OOP (UTG/MP x Late) and how you develop your defense ratio PF (4bet value/bluff -/= call/fold).

Of course at a low SPR, your decision plan to check-raise all in bluff postflop would be a nice bonus content. :)

But I'm just asking about the overall idea. I think many low stake players fails to continue against 3bets OOP / rarely 4bet.

Thanks a lot for your reply!

Nov. 26, 2019 | 3:23 a.m.

oslonick Isn't that sample super small?
23/17/17 is VPIP / PFR and ??(yellow) (87 hands).

By the way, what does the "red 16" left to the 100 means?
Is this "100" fold to 3bet by position or overall ?

How can a villain has 100 fold to 3bet if all villains 4bet AA-KK ?

Nov. 25, 2019 | 10:12 p.m.

DNegs98 Now that you've mentioned
3- Equity realization
What is the relation to equity denial ?
Betting bigger denies more equity to our opponent? (As they have to fold more / so a larger range of his preflop call loses equity ?) Does it work like that?

After seeing #4 (that bet sizes escalate differently , not 60%flop cbet - 75% turn - 90% river) for example, it makes more sense that those who begin betting 33% goes to something like + 140% - 150%.

But if a "strategy" is built around always betting selectively - I do have a check back range (both nuts and trash air), and I do have a bet range (value and bluffs) for 60-70% flop, and hero is never betting full range (30%), what is it "called" nowadays ?

I'm sorry for these noobish questions, but I just returned to the tables after a long time.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 8:57 p.m.

Thank you a lot for the detailed answer.
I do think your reply ended abruptly as I can see "capped range does tend to print money so �� " ; did it reach max characters?

Nov. 25, 2019 | 8:49 p.m.

My extra questions to other users that comment in this topic
(PrankCallRiver please help hehe):
1- Would you bet-fold AK on KTJ ? (If raised on the flop to 30-40bb)
2- If you had the AQ yourself, would you check again on turn?
On the turn, what are we not betting? KQ ?

Do you believe villain could jam value (Q9 / AQ) and combo draws alike, AhJh, AhTh QhJh, or set like TT - JJ ?
3- If they do jam all the above + combo draws with a single pair (J or T) is it worth calling a shove?

4- If you had 3betted with JJ-TT-KK would you bet or check-raise flop ?
As played would you fold to this jam turn holding a set?

Nov. 25, 2019 | 7:47 p.m.

Post this hand in another topic, let's see what the community says.

Would you bet-fold AK on KTJ ? So what are we not betting? KQ ?
If you had the AQ yourself, would you check again?

I myself have a lot of questions about 3bet pots too.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 6:11 p.m.

oslonick it's okay to check everything on the flop OOP.
But if checked behind, you are fine to bet / probe / lead the turn for value or as a bluff.
Some players even overbet the turn in certain situations.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 5:03 p.m.

One of your best videos.
If I may suggest, could you do one about your defense against 3 bets and 4bets ranges ?
I think you are one of the coaches who best uses aggression in your favor, so I'd be glad to learn this content from you.

Nov. 25, 2019 | 3:52 p.m.

Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 (6 Players) BN: $15.82
SB: $10.67
BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.23 (Hero)
MP: $21.17
CO: $10.45
Preflop ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A T
Hero raises to $0.25, 4 folds, BB calls $0.15
Flop ($0.55) 7 Q 3
BB checks, Hero bets $0.16, BB calls $0.16
Turn ($0.87) 7 Q 3 4
BB checks, Hero bets $0.51, BB calls $0.51
River ($1.89) 7 Q 3 4 K
BB checks, Hero checks
Final Pot BB wins and shows a pair of Fours.
BB wins $1.80
Rake is $0.09

Nov. 24, 2019 | 10:08 p.m.

As played it seems okay.
My question would be - if he bets turn, do you call or raise ?

Nov. 24, 2019 | 12:32 p.m.

Comment | Renegaz commented on x

"Against both fish and regs would most of the time just give up. Fish call down with almost anything and regs most of the time have a hand to call down with."

As akissv7 said, I also noticed this.
Whenever I tried to double barrel bluff against a short-stack or someone that was tagged as recreational, they are not folding (they can fold on the flop cbet, or never fold turn/river), so I prefer to have a value hand for betting multiple streets.

Nov. 23, 2019 | 12:05 a.m.

One time that I cashed out instantly, was in a 3way all in pot, around 340bb that I had 90% equity when we got all in.

I prefer taking my 303bb at that time as these situations are not common to happen.

On day to day 80-20 / 70-30 / 50-50 situations I just let it run doesn't matter which side of the percentage I am.

Nov. 22, 2019 | 11:07 p.m.

Thanks for all the answers, so you guys that would bet 9-12bb, would you bet fold against a flop raise?

Nov. 22, 2019 | 2:28 p.m.

Just to add, I'd consider a fold only if BB donks bet full pot, and MP raises all-in in front of us, them against two players I'd think about a fold...

Nov. 22, 2019 | 12:32 a.m.

I'm not folding anyway, he could have a nasty combo draw 4h5h / 8h9h or two pair, or even some guy that is not folding KK-AA. Also could have draws that are not monsters and we are doing good.

If he has a set, good for him, but I'm not raising 30bb to fold.

Nov. 22, 2019 | 12:28 a.m.

Comment | Renegaz commented on NL10z A9s vs reg

As played I'd call the river.
But we can expect he would play like this with TT-JJ-QQ but also bluff some stuff.

If I'd bet turn, it would be a larger size.

Nov. 22, 2019 | 12:21 a.m.

Yes, it's hard to estimate what a player with 36bb can do and he might not have any logic much less "estimate what you represent by doing X". Villain could think his third pair is enough and these are his last chips so let's catch a bluff, whatever!.

He could have nothing, but there's a good share of his "nothing" that still beats your K high. (You would bet anyway if you ISO with AK, AQ, AT, which could be clear winners)

So in this hand, I'd ISO smaller, c-bet smaller and not double barrel all in. Particularly by being KQ.

You had a different outcome (and reasons to bet the turn) as the whole sizing / approach was different.

Nov. 22, 2019 | 12:03 a.m.

What if you bet for example, 15-20bb (45-55% of the pot) and two situations happen:
A- one of the blinds call this + MP shoves all in - Do you fold or call ?

B- only one player call and turn is another low card. Do you check behind ?

Nov. 21, 2019 | 11:20 p.m.

Well he open limps from the UTG and doesn't 3 bet your raise while being IP.
This sounds like PP, A something or shit suited.

When the board comes 962J he is not folding 6x - 77 - 88 - 9x- TT any J, and still believes in his A high is enough.

The guy has only 36bb he could be a terrible player and open limp anything. And a good part of "anything" fits well in this board against your K high.

What do you win against ? T high ? 78 ? 45 ?

I would bet turn if the guy had 100bb and this was a regular 3 bet pot, but by being against a limper with a short stack, it's a whole different story.

Nov. 21, 2019 | 3:43 p.m.

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