Looking to develop a simple strategy for this crazy fish laden home-game im currently playing. Been limp shoving AA25xx double suited preflop but its not good going 3-5 ways all in. Looking for a lower variance strategy. I have experimented with open-shoving 15-30BB really good hands and typically get called by at least one player. The game typically plays 25-150BB deep and is obviously extremely loose.
I'm leaning toward a limping strategy, but the vast majority of pots are opened to 8X and it's frustrating losing the BB hand after hand waiting for good hands. Any thoughts on developing a strategy for this type of game? Im not rich by any means and my entire savings represents around 40 buy ins at this game. I'm pretty sure its worth risking my savings over since i have a good job and few payments month to month.
On a side note, this may be the most entertaining form of poker and i highly recommend introducing it into home-games.
Nov. 13, 2019 | 2:51 p.m.
At first i was a bit rattled having no HUD but as I reflect it has to be good for the ecosystem as it will be getting softer. I was thinking about some adjustments to make and here are a few I've brainstormed with little thought:
- Reducing tables to better pay attention
- Taking more notes (obviously)
- Tagging players on hunches (hoping to later confirm player type)
- Paying attention to large pots even when not involved
These are rough ideas, anyone have anything to add?
June 21, 2019 | 5:05 p.m.
Thanks for the feedback, many great points. I just wanted to reaffirm that I played it ok. I thought i was being too fine in even reviewing this hand but i kept going over it in my head and just wanted to get it out there.
Feb. 19, 2019 | 9:54 p.m.
$300 No Rake 888 Poker
UTG: 42 BB (67s)
UTG+1: 109.83 BB
MP: 2.56 BB
MP+1: 13.6 BB
HJ: 21.89 BB*
*Hero (CO): 49.27 BB (QQ)
BTN: 21.6 BB
SB: 29.63 BB
BB: 13.3 BB
UTG raises to 2 BB
I raise to 6.6BB
UTG calls 4.6BB
4h 5d 3d
I bet 6.6 BB, UTG calls 6.6 BB
(29.29 BB, 2 players) 3s
I Bet 15.64 BB,
UTG raises to 28.5 BB and is all-in
I Call 12.86 BB
River : 8c
I show down Queens and lose. Should i have 3 bet smaller pre flop (40bb effective) then gone gone smaller on the flop? I have pot left on turn and basically jam, feels awkward after his flop call considering he has all the sets in range and i have none. I was trying to play for max value since Villain was a bit fishy based on 1200 Games Played sample size (after all he did open 67s UTG).
Thanks for any feedback. Biggest tourney I've ever played and things were going so well up to this point lol,
Feb. 19, 2019 | 12:14 a.m.
Can we confidently say that PIO solver is just as much for tournament players as cash these days? Further, if we're playing low/ mid stakes 10-30 dollar buy ins, do we really need to learn optimal strategies through PIO when most of our money comes from fish who we're exploiting anyway (not so worried about balancing or getting exploited by sharks).
Feb. 2, 2019 | 12:52 a.m.
3 handed in 220 person $8.80
BU: (Hero) 750,000
SB: (Good Reg) 975,000
I make it 62K on Button with pocket tens, SB (Good reg) SNAP 3 bets around to 160K. I go all in. Is there another line even worth considering here since he is applying ICM pressure. On the other hand, we was playing pretty straight up, and not getting too out of line. When he SNAP 3 bets im fairly confident he's extremely polarized and has KK, AA, QQ, AK or rags.
Jan. 15, 2019 | 7:58 p.m.
Hi Pedro, thanks for the review. Really enjoyed it. At 27:00 when you flat the EP open from the fish with 89s, do we really want to be calling there on 30BB? When you say he's opening loose, even if he's opening, say 30% from EP, most of his hands that contain an 8 or 9 have us dominated. Obviously we're looking to make a bigger hand than just a pair but at 30BB or so, are we deep enough to be flatting here?
Nov. 30, 2018 | 5:59 p.m.
Hi Ryan, would you consider doing more of these hand reviews with HUDs involved. Maybe even just one of your SNG tables where you have a large sample size. Would be great to see how you use your HUD to construct ranges for opponents. Thanks for the content- I've viewed most of your videos from the past few months.
Nov. 26, 2018 | 2:35 p.m.
As a Canadian, recommend any other small sites? Ive heard really good things about Winamax but understand Canadians cant play on there. Currently playing 888, Party (a little) and Stars (strictly 18 man SNG as massive reg laden fields aren't worth it imo). Ps. Go Leafs
Nov. 23, 2018 | 8:35 p.m.
Thanks Ryan, this seems like such a valuable stat. Im thinking about dedicating an entire row in my HUD to steal stats (using steal for SB BB and different stack depths assuming those stats are available in PT4). Would you reconsider the 30%(sb) and 70%(bb) percentages if someone plays predominantly Turbos? (less deep stack poker).
Nov. 14, 2018 | 3 p.m.
I've often wondered, does "fold to steal" in PT4 mean folding BB to a late position raise, or could it be a raise from any position? Also, if someone folds the SB is that recorded as Fold to steal in the HUD? Also, what should I be aiming for over a large sample size for fold to steal? Ive thought a lot about defending BB way more in the last year but am thinking im still not wide enough. Thanks for any feedback in advance!!
Nov. 6, 2018 | 3:36 a.m.
3 make the $ with 5 players left. Blinds 1500/3000
SB (Hero): 42,000
BTN shoves and I call in SB with AKo. Pretty sure this is a bad call considering the ICM pressure that can still be applied to the other players. However, Villain was shoving around %50 in this spot and I thought I should take the high equity spot while i have it. This spot left me scratching my head and I'm pretty sure i need to buy a solver and start practicing with it because i really didn't know what to do. In hindsight I think it is a terrible call considering the Satellite format where 3 pay an equal amount ($109 tourney entry).
Sept. 7, 2018 | 1:17 p.m.
I was recently watching some BenCB stuff, and I noticed he has an entire row dedicated to 'Raise first in by position' in his HUD (EP, MP, CO, BU and SB i think). This would be really convenient although it would take up a bit of room I think it would be useful. I find myself constantly searching the pop up in my HUD for Raise first in by position. Does anyone know if this is available to put straight into the HUD for Pokertracker or only on "Holdem Manager". Any ideas Appreciated..
June 18, 2018 | 4:26 p.m.
Is it vital to use a solver. Are there many winning players at mid to high stakes who never toy with these tools? I love to study, but prefer watching vids like this, i think i shpuld consider purchasing a solver and review my own hands. Is flopzilla best deal or PIO?
May 28, 2018 | 8:25 a.m.
Yes I've viewed several of the Essential videos but I find I always learn best off one teacher, maybe not a bunch of different ones. I do love the mtt videos on here tho, and im sure the elite teachers are even better
May 17, 2018 | 9:23 p.m.
Hi guys, been a member off and on at Run it Once for sometime now. Just wondering if people here think it would be worth it to buy the Essential Course from Raise Your Edge (Tournament Masterclass). I was considering buying it, but with an average buy in of $7 I dont know if it is worth it. Thoughts?
May 17, 2018 | 7:32 a.m.
You have really got me thinking with this comment. I think the moments that stall me are when im sizing value bets, or trying to bluff catch (usually river situations). In either case im trying to construct ranges for my opponents. I think from years of playing micro/ low stakes, my reading of villains hand is lacking. Micro players show up with the most random of holdings, and i think i have done my game no favors by sticking around in those limits, at least in regards to hand reading.
March 10, 2018 | 2:44 p.m.
Thanks for the response tbettingen. Im not sure how familiar with 888 you are but the field sizes in most 55's are 50-100 ppl. Thats kind of what drew me to the site in the first place.
Moving down to $5-20 means way bigger fields and pathetic minimum cash amounts that i dont think i can handle. Considering the small fields at the $55-109Meaning might not be what you'd expect especially when you account for deep tournaments with some fish thrown in.
I often get greedy cashing out early and I think that might be part of the problem. What would I need in my bankroll to play 55's comfortably in your opinion, 4-6k?
March 6, 2018 | 5:07 a.m.
I have recently been playing $55 tournaments on 888. I don't currently have the bankroll to support this buy-in, so I'm normally playing $5 sats until I achieve multiple entries, then proceed to play one at a time. I find I play my best in this situation, where there's actually something to play for, and I'm up about 2k in 2 weeks (only played 5). I understand this is an incredibly small sample size, but after reviewing hand histories on pokertracker I know I was on my 'A' game in these tournaments.
I've always found my level of play to go down substantially when multi tabling, but I also understand it sucks to bubble after 5 hours and have no other tournies to fall back on in session. I use to 4-6 table sit and goes but those days are long gone. I would appreciate someones opinion who has gone through something similar. Am I better off playing 1-2 tables at a time? Are there any suggestions as to where I go from here? I am a competent player and have earned around 15k on stars, but as I said that was playing SNGs. I was also considering the "raise your edge tournament class". Might learning and understanding the game better allow me to multi table more efficiently? Im all for investing in my game and don't need to see immediate returns if this course is worthwhile..
March 4, 2018 | 1:29 p.m.
Thanks for this. Considering your low variance line, would it be fair to say the general population 3 bets too frequently? Or at least say that decent players three bet too much at mid stakes and should leverage their abilities more by going to the flop with smaller pots? Also, what did your HUD read by the end of the tourney?
I really find myself going deeper in tournies when my 3 bet is lower. Bit of a general question, but would be interested in what you have to say regarding the population tendencies today.
Feb. 21, 2018 | 11:31 a.m.
I think however you play it given the table dynamic and the fact you're 7 way (6 after utg folds) AQs is too strong to fold. Having said that I wouldn't mind either option- pushing or raising for value even against the good players. You might well have those hands killed that decide to jam on you if these players are as good/ agro as you say. Maybe it depends what types of ranges you have developed from early position raises/ what you have showed down from early position. What might your HUD be displaying for them to see from EP? thoughts?
Jan. 17, 2018 | 6:57 a.m.
@Baracuda, is poker snowie good value/ is it user friendly? I regularly use a HUD but need to start reviewing hands more frequently. Is it a good starting place for $35 annually seems like an ok deal..
Jan. 9, 2018 | 9 a.m.
I think there is room for 3 bet preflop in hand 1 to 5.5x. you say villian is a fin player why not isolate knowing we can outplay him and can get full value. You don't have too much to lose with 25 blinds -i prefer to take the high variance line against this poor player and extract the maximum calling down on most but not all run outs. Maybe im wrong tho..
Jan. 1, 2018 | 9:15 p.m.
"Fundamentals of 3 Betting" (Ryan Lapplante) in Essentials for MTTs was helpful for me. Talks about sizing for 3 betting based on how deep u and your opponent are. Also, Apotheosis; videos on "Transitioning to MTTs". Apotheosis is a genius, fortunately for us bottom feeders he use to be an "Essential" pro. Hope this helps and let me knwo what you think of those vids if you do happen to check them out. I found taking notes on the first video mentioned and reviewing them really helpful.