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Yeh, I agree that it is standard to 3! a lot from the SB and not much from the BB. However, here the stack situation is so extreme that it is better not to build the pot even from the SB. You can play tight from the SB and only call. Sure you are getting PWNed in a way, but it doesn't matter as your main goal is to outlast the 2 tiny stacks, and you don't lose that much in expected chips by playing the way I suggest. It is a mistake to continue with standard approaches in an extreme ICM situation like this.

Dec. 30, 2020 | 1:39 p.m.

Around minute 1, when you 3! AKo, what do you do against a 4! or 4! shove? Should we be 3!betting the chip leader at all with these stacks? Should we have a tighter value 3! range than AK, as it would be easier to gii with AA/KK? I know the chipleader is raising light, but can you just play postflop against him? You can often just x/c postflop with AK, JJ etc. If he is aggressive, you can often win decent pots. I am not sure if we should be 3!ing at all against the big stack, as we don't really want to be building pots. The chip leader can apply more pressure to you in a bigger pot, so I am not crazy about bluff 3-bets

Dec. 24, 2020 | 8:02 p.m.

OK, I get it. Since it is low stakes, we want to keep in random bluffs that he shouldn't really have.

Dec. 23, 2020 | 4:42 p.m.

About minute 18, I like the turn jam with KJo. We have top pair and an OESD. The board is wet and it is unlikely he has pure bluffs. You want to get draws to call allin or fold and worse made hands and worse combinations of made hands and draws will call thinking you may have a draw.

Dec. 21, 2020 | 10:16 p.m.

In the 2nd hand about minute 4 where you both have AQ, should your opponent 3-bet the flop with TPGK and the nut flush draw? That seems like the old school play.

After 3-better AJ around minute 16 and making TPTK, could you cbet a little bigger and then push for a smaller percent of pot?

That folding AK TPTK seems weird given the odds you are getting and 2 flush draws missed.

Dec. 19, 2020 | 11:41 p.m.

What is this with folding AA and KK? This is just terrible. There are situations to fold them, but not close to folds in either case. You check AA twice and then fold on the turn. The board and action do not warrant that at all. When you check the board that is bad for you, they can bet with whatever and AA/KK are easily in your call down range.

Dec. 18, 2020 | 4:05 p.m.

Seems like an awful fold. The board favors the caller and he is never shoving a set or straight.

Dec. 18, 2020 | 12:20 a.m.

The first hand with AK, it is not only a double flush draw board but also a 3 wheel card board. An ace has a straight draw, any small pp has a straight draw is makes a set, and bigger pps also look good on the low board. So yeh, it seems like a bad board to barrel the turn with if you don't have a hand that can call the push.

Dec. 6, 2020 | 2:39 a.m.

That's interesting. I am used to the pre solver approach where you usually cbet Axx,r and Kxx,r.

Nov. 15, 2020 | 2:35 p.m.

A pure push/fold strategy with 12-17xBB is obviously terrible, as you do not want to shove QQ+ and should balance those. Plus you have strong hands in ep that you can't shove for 17xBB, but don't want to fold. It isn't totally clear it is between shove and minraise, as it is possible to limp as a short stack. Just because some programs think in push/fold does not make it a reasonable strategy.

Nov. 14, 2020 | 2:49 a.m.

First hand, I don't like x/r for value with a hand we are not sure if we want to get allin with. I don't like flat calling the 3! leaving 30% pot behind. His min bet OTT seems donkish. I can see he has the nuts and doesn't want a fold. The don't mind the fold OTT, because we don't beat much at that point.

I don't like Darwin's play with the straight with 97o around minute 8. It seems like he needs to lead or x/r the turn and should probably lead the river.

Oct. 25, 2020 | 6:56 p.m.

The fold of top pair with KJ OTT at minute 4 seems insane. Yeh, the preflop raiser flopped a set, but without some psychic read, I don't see how he folds to the turn barrel.

At minute 38, I don't like your 20xBB effective shove from the SB. I know there is ICM pressure on him, but this doesn't seem profitable unless BB is calling awfully tight. Just limp or raise are both fine.

At minute 39, I know he had aces, but a minraise with 13xBB is often strong. The raiser can't be light that often, as it is difficult to play postflop short stacked. I don't like the 3! with QTs at all.

Oct. 16, 2020 | 11:06 p.m.

Minute 18, with ATo, I would never think of call/fold for 40% of my stack. Even with ICM, I don't think you could fold at that point. Could just folding to the shove be possible. I know you are well ahead of the shover's range, but you have to either call/fold or risk your 20+BB stack against the 3 players to act.

Minute 28, isn't it a mistake of button to check back Q9o on a Kxx,r flop 3-way? A cbet would probably have taken it based on the cards. I realize that although the flop generally is good for the raiser, button doesn't really have a range advantage here to the SB. However, it seems weird not to cbet that sort of flop with air.

Oct. 9, 2020 | 3:21 a.m.

I am sort of old school, and first learned limit holdem charts, for which Axs was a marginal easily dominated hand you didn't play in ep. It is a good 3!/fold hand if you aren't going to get called much, but I don't see how it is an UTG open. Are people just looking at equity allin preflop or using some table or software which does that?

Oct. 7, 2020 | 6:16 p.m.

I don't know if I am supposed to continue. The wisdom from solvers is great. However, when someone bets big on a wet board, he is unlikely to be bluffing and it is hard for him to fold because you both can have draws, so you want to build the pot with close to the nuts. It is more true at low stakes, but I am not sure what sickos bet big with air on wet boards etc.

With A6s, you don't have much if you pair either card. I would think 97s, KJo, or 66 would be better UTG opens. I realize A6s plays well allin preflop.

Oct. 6, 2020 | 8:07 p.m.

At minute 9, with TT on JT8,r, you say it was a x/r if he bet small, but not as clear a x/r when he cbet large. IMO the only play is to x/r when he bets large. When he bets large on the connected board, he should always have something good. So you want to build the pot. If you flat call and check the turn (if it wasn't that 4-straight turn), he may check back. You need to x/r with the intention of leading the turn and the river, getting as much in as possible.

Minute 13, why is A6s an easy UTG open? It has poor playability.

Oct. 3, 2020 | 8:07 p.m.

Imluckbox's big stack play was incredibly bad. Way overdid trying to bully with the big stack. Unbelievable for a high stakes MTT reg.

Sept. 27, 2020 | 6:33 a.m.

At minute 6, why did you not cbet AQo on a A92,r flop? I don't like where you call the 4x from BxB from the big stack on the bubble and then call on the flop with top pair, leaving a pot sized pot left. The hand needs protection and you can be bluffed off it as happened. Not sure we should be calling the 4x to begin with.

Sept. 27, 2020 | 12:27 a.m.

Around minute 36, you suggest 3-bet shoving KTs for 18xBB. I don't think this can be a good play with 5 players to act. You lose to much when someone behind wakes up with a big hand.

May 5, 2020 | 5:14 a.m.

Great videos. It is good to see a video with no software being pulled up and not much discussion of blockers. You mention his minraising from the SB is a leak, which I agree with. However, you say raise to 3x or fold. At low stakes, SB open limps are usually not raised. Wouldn't limping most hands with the intention of sometimes 3-betting be a good alternative? That seems to be what most low stakes players do, and it is also common at mid stakes.

The minraise with AKo from the SB with 12xBB at minute 17 seems horrible. If you were deeper, you would like to induce with this hand, but this could be difficult to play postflop OOP if you get flat called and miss. Shove is much better.

May 4, 2020 | 8:37 p.m.

The first discussion was at about minute 15 regarding the defend with A6o.

I agree about opening smaller based on resteal stacks. However, I don't agree with it at this stakes and stage of the tournament, as discussed. I don't usually play $5 tournaments either, but if you never play close to this stakes, some of the advice may be less relevant.

I look for areas to discuss, but this series is one of the best reviewing MTTs at close to these stakes that I have seen.

April 18, 2020 | 10:39 p.m.

Around minute 10, you discuss shoving really light for 20xBB against a CO open from the BB. This is true if as you suggest CO is a winning reg opening really light. However, in general players are opening too tight from CO at this stakes. Also, some regs will play solid early and look to be given chips, and not steal until later when the play gets tight.

Around minute 20, I agree it is a good general point when coaching a low stakes player. However, I disagree with a smaller open size than 2.5xBB at this stage in a $5 tournament. The minraise is generally better in later stages where it is a blind stealing game. However, this early at this stakes, people are not going to be reshoving light enough. You are more likely to get multiple flat callers. Therefore the larger sizing is generally better.

April 18, 2020 | 1:25 p.m.

Comment | betgo commented on Day 2's: Just 16 Remain

At minute 7, I don't see how shoving 64s for 18xBB into the big stack is $EV+ with ICM issues.

April 9, 2020 | 6:01 a.m.

Minute 23, open QQ and flop comes AKx. It might be better to cbet. I don't like x/f to 1/3 pot bet on turn with 2 2-flushes on the board.

April 6, 2020 | 5:03 a.m.

The TD hand around minute 18 and analysis is interesting. Yockey has 8 blockers, so raises against the pat hand with an 8 draw figuring Esposito has a 9. When Esposito 3-bets, it is likely Esposito has a 7, since 8s are blocked, so Yockey folds his 8 draw figuring he is drawing dead.

Feb. 24, 2020 | 11:33 a.m.

You are right. I am color defficient and have terrible trouble telling diamonds from spades with the 4-color decks. Have to make the tables bigger sometimes when playing stud games.

Feb. 24, 2020 | 2:54 a.m.

Minute 22: why open K6s UTG in the upper left? Minute 24, I don't see why you flat with JJ in the lower left. It is an easy gii with stacks and positions. I can see flatting when you don't want to face a 4!.

Feb. 22, 2020 | 7:06 p.m.

On the hand at minute 6 in stud 8, thenerdguy folds (7s4s)2s after an ace completes and a 5 calls. This seems bad to fold a 3-flush low hand. You said thenerdguy should fold if the (KK)5 2-bets. I don't agree, because the low 3-flush is still too strong a hand to fold.

Feb. 21, 2020 | 4:48 a.m.

Pot odds are not good versus the big raise and you are OOP. I do not like the defend.

Feb. 18, 2020 | 6:15 a.m.

Are they play 8-game or what?

From what I found Raul is from Germany and Chao from Sweden and they both appear to play high stakes PLO, maybe other games. How do they compare at limit games to the best players in the Big Game in Bobby's Room, including old school players like Brunson, Ivey, Hennigan, and Openheimer?

If there are enough hands, it might be better to mainly show hands that got to showdown, since we don't have access to hole cards.

However, this is great looking at nosebleed stakes. The play in the Pokergo videos and any mixed game MTTs has so many basic errors.

Feb. 18, 2020 | 5:57 a.m.

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