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First hand, I don't like x/r for value with a hand we are not sure if we want to get allin with. I don't like flat calling the 3! leaving 30% pot behind. His min bet OTT seems donkish. I can see he has the nuts and doesn't want a fold. The don't mind the fold OTT, because we don't beat much at that point.

Oct. 25, 2020 | 6:56 p.m.

The fold of top pair with KJ OTT at minute 4 seems insane. Yeh, the preflop raiser flopped a set, but without some psychic read, I don't see how he folds to the turn barrel.

At minute 38, I don't like your 20xBB effective shove from the SB. I know there is ICM pressure on him, but this doesn't seem profitable unless BB is calling awfully tight. Just limp or raise are both fine.

At minute 39, I know he had aces, but a minraise with 13xBB is often strong. The raiser can't be light that often, as it is difficult to play postflop short stacked. I don't like the 3! with QTs at all.

Oct. 16, 2020 | 11:06 p.m.

Minute 18, with ATo, I would never think of call/fold for 40% of my stack. Even with ICM, I don't think you could fold at that point. Could just folding to the shove be possible. I know you are well ahead of the shover's range, but you have to either call/fold or risk your 20+BB stack against the 3 players to act.

Minute 28, isn't it a mistake of button to check back Q9o on a Kxx,r flop 3-way? A cbet would probably have taken it based on the cards. I realize that although the flop generally is good for the raiser, button doesn't really have a range advantage here to the SB. However, it seems weird not to cbet that sort of flop with air.

Oct. 9, 2020 | 3:21 a.m.

I am sort of old school, and first learned limit holdem charts, for which Axs was a marginal easily dominated hand you didn't play in ep. It is a good 3!/fold hand if you aren't going to get called much, but I don't see how it is an UTG open. Are people just looking at equity allin preflop or using some table or software which does that?

Oct. 7, 2020 | 6:16 p.m.

I don't know if I am supposed to continue. The wisdom from solvers is great. However, when someone bets big on a wet board, he is unlikely to be bluffing and it is hard for him to fold because you both can have draws, so you want to build the pot with close to the nuts. It is more true at low stakes, but I am not sure what sickos bet big with air on wet boards etc.

With A6s, you don't have much if you pair either card. I would think 97s, KJo, or 66 would be better UTG opens. I realize A6s plays well allin preflop.

Oct. 6, 2020 | 8:07 p.m.

At minute 9, with TT on JT8,r, you say it was a x/r if he bet small, but not as clear a x/r when he cbet large. IMO the only play is to x/r when he bets large. When he bets large on the connected board, he should always have something good. So you want to build the pot. If you flat call and check the turn (if it wasn't that 4-straight turn), he may check back. You need to x/r with the intention of leading the turn and the river, getting as much in as possible.

Minute 13, why is A6s an easy UTG open? It has poor playability.

Oct. 3, 2020 | 8:07 p.m.

Imluckbox's big stack play was incredibly bad. Way overdid trying to bully with the big stack. Unbelievable for a high stakes MTT reg.

Sept. 27, 2020 | 6:33 a.m.

At minute 6, why did you not cbet AQo on a A92,r flop? I don't like where you call the 4x from BxB from the big stack on the bubble and then call on the flop with top pair, leaving a pot sized pot left. The hand needs protection and you can be bluffed off it as happened. Not sure we should be calling the 4x to begin with.

Sept. 27, 2020 | 12:27 a.m.

Around minute 36, you suggest 3-bet shoving KTs for 18xBB. I don't think this can be a good play with 5 players to act. You lose to much when someone behind wakes up with a big hand.

May 5, 2020 | 5:14 a.m.

Great videos. It is good to see a video with no software being pulled up and not much discussion of blockers. You mention his minraising from the SB is a leak, which I agree with. However, you say raise to 3x or fold. At low stakes, SB open limps are usually not raised. Wouldn't limping most hands with the intention of sometimes 3-betting be a good alternative? That seems to be what most low stakes players do, and it is also common at mid stakes.

The minraise with AKo from the SB with 12xBB at minute 17 seems horrible. If you were deeper, you would like to induce with this hand, but this could be difficult to play postflop OOP if you get flat called and miss. Shove is much better.

May 4, 2020 | 8:37 p.m.

The first discussion was at about minute 15 regarding the defend with A6o.

I agree about opening smaller based on resteal stacks. However, I don't agree with it at this stakes and stage of the tournament, as discussed. I don't usually play $5 tournaments either, but if you never play close to this stakes, some of the advice may be less relevant.

I look for areas to discuss, but this series is one of the best reviewing MTTs at close to these stakes that I have seen.

April 18, 2020 | 10:39 p.m.

Around minute 10, you discuss shoving really light for 20xBB against a CO open from the BB. This is true if as you suggest CO is a winning reg opening really light. However, in general players are opening too tight from CO at this stakes. Also, some regs will play solid early and look to be given chips, and not steal until later when the play gets tight.

Around minute 20, I agree it is a good general point when coaching a low stakes player. However, I disagree with a smaller open size than 2.5xBB at this stage in a $5 tournament. The minraise is generally better in later stages where it is a blind stealing game. However, this early at this stakes, people are not going to be reshoving light enough. You are more likely to get multiple flat callers. Therefore the larger sizing is generally better.

April 18, 2020 | 1:25 p.m.

Comment | betgo commented on Day 2's: Just 16 Remain

At minute 7, I don't see how shoving 64s for 18xBB into the big stack is $EV+ with ICM issues.

April 9, 2020 | 6:01 a.m.

Minute 23, open QQ and flop comes AKx. It might be better to cbet. I don't like x/f to 1/3 pot bet on turn with 2 2-flushes on the board.

April 6, 2020 | 5:03 a.m.

The TD hand around minute 18 and analysis is interesting. Yockey has 8 blockers, so raises against the pat hand with an 8 draw figuring Esposito has a 9. When Esposito 3-bets, it is likely Esposito has a 7, since 8s are blocked, so Yockey folds his 8 draw figuring he is drawing dead.

Feb. 24, 2020 | 11:33 a.m.

You are right. I am color defficient and have terrible trouble telling diamonds from spades with the 4-color decks. Have to make the tables bigger sometimes when playing stud games.

Feb. 24, 2020 | 2:54 a.m.

Minute 22: why open K6s UTG in the upper left? Minute 24, I don't see why you flat with JJ in the lower left. It is an easy gii with stacks and positions. I can see flatting when you don't want to face a 4!.

Feb. 22, 2020 | 7:06 p.m.

On the hand at minute 6 in stud 8, thenerdguy folds (7s4s)2s after an ace completes and a 5 calls. This seems bad to fold a 3-flush low hand. You said thenerdguy should fold if the (KK)5 2-bets. I don't agree, because the low 3-flush is still too strong a hand to fold.

Feb. 21, 2020 | 4:48 a.m.

Pot odds are not good versus the big raise and you are OOP. I do not like the defend.

Feb. 18, 2020 | 6:15 a.m.

Are they play 8-game or what?

From what I found Raul is from Germany and Chao from Sweden and they both appear to play high stakes PLO, maybe other games. How do they compare at limit games to the best players in the Big Game in Bobby's Room, including old school players like Brunson, Ivey, Hennigan, and Openheimer?

If there are enough hands, it might be better to mainly show hands that got to showdown, since we don't have access to hole cards.

However, this is great looking at nosebleed stakes. The play in the Pokergo videos and any mixed game MTTs has so many basic errors.

Feb. 18, 2020 | 5:57 a.m.

What he is doing is purposefully making bad opening moves, but preparing ahead of time against whatever plays his opponents might make, so he knows the possible lines and they don't. It is sort of related to not playing GTO. Similarly, in poker you can make unusual or deceptive plays that your opponent may not respond well to.

There are implication for NLHE in the GTO era. For example, using nonstandard sizings preflop or on the flop. Or making a slightly less than GTO play that is deceptive or aggressive and hard for opponents to counter.

Nov. 10, 2019 | 3:53 a.m.

Thanks, I tried Simple GTO Trainer. I am just using the free part, which lets you look at an infinite number of random single raised pots CO vs. BB and gives the solver's answer at each street and how much if any below GTO you are. It seems pretty useful for finding leaks. I tend to play more aggressively than the solver, which may work against humans.

I am trying making aggressive plays I know are not standard, such as bluff raises, floats, and trying to barrel the bot off of hands, and seeing if they are only a little -EV according to the calculator. I will probably go ahead and buy a packet, so that I can practice 3-bet pots and other scenarios with strong ranges.

I used the free trial for PokerSnowie a while ago. It didn't seem all that strong. I understand there are bots that are at the level of the top players. However, I may go ahead and buy it anyway.

Nov. 10, 2019 | 1:31 a.m.

I was not that impressed with it. Is there anything else available.

Nov. 9, 2019 | 3:16 p.m.

Minute 44, limit Omaha 8, Jungleman raises the button 9s7s4h3h, The flop comes 2c7dAs and goes c/c. You mention say something about how Jungleman is balancing his range, but also say he wants to bet most hands on this flop as he has a range advantage. The check back with the nuts for low seems strange, and probably bad. I would assume Jungleman is doing it for deception, so he will never be put on the nut low.

Really good video and great material for a video, the PPC.

Nov. 3, 2019 | 5 a.m.

Jamming premiums and jamming all your range for 30xBB is terrible. You can shove the middle of you range and r/f weaker hands and r/gii premiums.

That the simulator can look at the next few hands is not that useful. In reality, there are maybe 100 hands left and it doesn't consider the long term value of a big stack.

Also, the bigger stack has an advantage postflop if it goes to the flop and the simulator doesn't consider that.

It also doesn't consider that your opponents are probably not calling as tight as it thinks they should.

Nov. 1, 2019 | 10:33 p.m.

There are several problems with these huge shoves because the software says they are shoves. The software is looking at whether shoving is better than folding. It may be just a tiny bit better than folding and the s/w will say shove. Maybe you can get more expected $EV by raising normally than making a huge push, but the s/w can't calculate it. Can't you exploit the shorter stacks just by r/f ing a loose range and playing postflop often?

Then are people calling as tight as the software says. Particularly if you are shoving weak hands, they may decide to "play back" by calling with hands well ahead of your range. There are also questions whether they should fold so tight, as the s/w doesn't consider the dynamic value of a double up on future hands.

The Nash model is generally better than ICM. There are also problems with no model considering future play and therefore recommending to tight folds to pushes.

Nov. 1, 2019 | 4:12 a.m.

What calling range does ICMizer assume? Presumably it is an unrealistically tight range. You are assuming that everyone plays along and calls super tight according to ICM when it looks like you are pushing really light. ICM doesn't consider the value of a big stack for future play. Also, you are just looking at shoves and comparing them to open folding. As the author mentions, there are better ways to play than open shoving 30xBB. Kind of dumb to make some ridiculous play because a computer program thinks it is better than making a ridiculous open fold.

Oct. 25, 2019 | 11:09 p.m.

It's weird all the 25+ BB open shoves. These are generally bad plays.Shoving ATC for 30xBB is just horrible. You run into decent hands often enough. It is just spewy. I don't want to go into details of the math, but it obviously loses a lot of chips.

Oct. 25, 2019 | 1:12 p.m.

About minute 3, AJs vs. AQ, you mention that the player with AQ in the SB could just shove preflop. I don't think you can shove for 90xBB with the BB having you covered!

About minute 8, AQ limps and calls a raise from AA. I don't mind limping some hands, but AQ seems a strange choice. Is the idea that you don't want to face a 3-bet if you open?

In that same hand AQ turns the nuts and c/cs. Shouldn't think be a c/r or maybe a lead. I don't like playing it slow with 2 2-flushes on the board?

Oct. 12, 2019 | 3:45 p.m.

It would be better if this was made an Essential Video. They have Galfond videos that are essential.

Sept. 23, 2019 | 5:22 p.m.

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