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8 points

I'm not sure if we usually post results, but thank you all for the responses. It seems that this is one of those spots where over the long run I made a losing call on the river, and it seems most would say on the turn as well? Having the Kc made me more willing to call the turn there versus his entire donking range, which def includes hands I'm dead in the water against, but also many I'm ahead or can catch up against since I'm assigning a larger range to his donk bet than if he had c/c or c/r (am I wrong here?). I made the decision that if I called the turn, I'd be calling the river, since my read was that he would fire whether he hit/missed/or was already there (based primarily on his bet-sizing).

Villain had Ac8h. I don't hate his play at all, I think he made a good assessment of my range and repped a strong hand well.

April 4, 2017 | 5:43 p.m.

Hi thank you for your response. Sorry I should have provided more background, but the large wall of text was already making me think I put in too much information. As this game was extremely deep, BB's preflop calling range does not include QQ after I min 4-bet, so even that hand would not be in his range.

However, his range does include a wide variety of suited connectors and gap-connectors, as well as suited and off-suited A2+. On that drawy board, with SB calling in front, and him being a smart, but still a "live", regular, I expect him to put the entire portion of his preflop range that at the very least has backdoor draw potential to continue.

I agree that the flop bet is discussion-worthy. I had been getting paid the entire night betting for value straightforward but I still feel like I could have pot-controlled as well. I assumed I would be forcing enough mistakes with my bet and being in position definitely made it seem more comfortable at the time. Is this a check for most people?

Feb. 3, 2017 | 9:51 p.m.

Hi Guys,

I just played this hand a while ago at Commerce Casino in the 5/10 500-1500 buyin game and have been thinking about it for a long time. Any advice would be appreciated. I am pretty sure my bet sizes, stack sizes are correct, but if they are off, they are not off by more than $10-50. I am new to the forum so sorry if the format of my post and question is not standard.

Background: I bought in for 1500 and had been sitting for about 3 hours when this hand occurred. Game had been playing lose and I had won a considerable sum very fast in non-showdown hands and marginal showdown hands until a hand where I raised A8o in the CO and was raised by the big stack on the BTN, called after it folded around to me. I flopped bottom pair and lead out two streets on a relatively dry board and check/called an enormous (and quite stupid) overbet on the river when a backdoor straight completed for a $12,500 pot. At this point I became the chip leader, and I would say the general table disposition towards me was one of half dislike/half bewilderment because I rarely play at the Commerce and therefore have high immunity to table intimidation. I was also on a business trip and had just come from work so I was overdressed for the occasion.

The hand: A smart thinking, albeit unorthodox (I saw him flat AK on the button with no action in front and go to the flop three way, call two streets from BB's lead, and then raise BB's river bet on wet board with TPTK. BB tank called and turned over TPMK), middle age asian reg had been commenting about my losing strategy and I had been responding as respectfully as possible when this hand came up:

Hero(UTG+2)(Covers): Raise $40 with KcKs
Reg(SB)($1700): Calls
Villian(BB)($9,500): 3bets to $200
Hero:4bets to $410
SB: Calls(!)
BB: Calls

Flop ($1230): 7cJc8d
SB: Checks
BB: Checks
Hero: Bets $810
SB: Calls
BB: Calls

Turn: ($3660): 7cJc8dTc
SB: Checks
BB: Tanks for about 20 seconds, looks at me, holds eye contact, looks down, sighs, and bets $1100
Hero: Tank for at least a minute, looking straight down, and call
SB: Instacall

River: ($6340): 7cJc8dTc4h
BB: Instant bets $7180 all-in
Hero: Call

Thoughts? I am mainly concerned with my bet sizing on the flop, and my decision on the river, but input on all streets is greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Feb. 2, 2017 | 11:38 p.m.

@Th7True I agree, I did not play again in the 5/10 home game after that incident.

Thanks for the replies guys, I will just let the other party decide runouts next time I play in this game.

April 24, 2016 | 12:39 a.m.

Hi guys,

I am a longtime lurker and appreciate the insightful posts here at RIO. I usually play 5/5 PLO at undergrounds game here in NY and usually refuse to do business. Whether I am ahead or behind I always choose to run it once. The reason why is a few years ago I was playing in a 5/10 PLO home game in which I was unfamiliar with everyone except the host and was running business as usual. However, in one pot large HU pot, I was threatened after I did not allow 4 runs of entire boards (people also openly wondered whether there were enough cards to run 4 full boards) when I had allowed 4 runs of the river card an hour before with a guy I had tangled with a lot. The game then turned uncomfortable quickly as he was associated with 2 others at the table and they took turns telling me to watch myself when I left and started mucking cards sharply into my hands/acting out of turn when I was in tanking situations. From then on I decided if I only ran it once with everyone, no one could claim favoritism/directed antagonism and so far it has worked. This past week I encountered the same situation albeit less contentious. I don't want to insult the individuals in this game but it is known that many of the guys in this game are drug dealers/bookies/wrong side of the law. The game plays bigger than typical 5/5, there is no cap, there is always a 25 dollar straddle from anywhere on the table and people usually buy in for 2.5 - 5k. The action is great but obviously safety is paramount. Would you guys prefer to run business and just always acquiesce to whatever the opponent asks for? Or would you just prefer to always Run It Once?

Thanks guys.


April 11, 2016 | 8:28 p.m.

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