Hi everyone. I've starting to play a bit more PLO lately. I'm getting confused with Aces out of position in 3bet pots. For example if, I 3bet from the SB to CO open, flop is 1023ss, I have dry aces, am I just bet calling off 100% because it's so unlikely they have 2 pair. For 125 bbs? What about 1083ss?
What types of flops with aces no back up are bet calling off in that spot, what is your cbet size? Is there a video going over this topic?
July 15, 2019 | 4:48 p.m.
i get what you are saying w/ no diamond in your hand, but i think you at least have to strongly consider checking your weakest aces A6-A10 --> A10 going to be the most common b/c it is prob the only one you 3bet all off suit combos. also, think if you are betting all your Ax no f'd you are going to be far to exploitable on river to bets --> i dont otb will let you showdown A10o on the riv and be good a very high % of the time (maybe only w/ A6ss, A7-A9cc which is not v many hands)
Dec. 12, 2013 | 9:54 p.m.
kinda think you can get double floated a little lighter here b/c after you bet this turn i think you c/f riv A LOT (lots of Ax and bluffs) and i dont think its that hard for a thinking player to recognize that, but i dont play this high. any merit to checking turn w/ this hand to balance times you want to go b/c/b as a bluff and check 1010-KK?
1/2/3) Think you should be going b/b/c w/ a lot of your range here so i think mixing in c/c'ing two pairs and flushes sometimes might not be that bad
4) Something like KdQx, KxQd, 67 (6 is v bad card b/c 66/33 floats most of the time otherwise i'd say 66/33), and i think a good player will put in some other double floats here like ~7x7d to add to his betting range on the river which is prob too nutty if he doesnt do that (are we talking about our hands that bluff or his hands that bluff?)
Dec. 12, 2013 | 5:53 a.m.
dunno if i agree on this one, hands like 1010-KK can easily get out flopped and outplayed especially out of position in 4bet pots, whereas if you have an aggressive 3bet strat, 5betting these hands mixed w/ bluffs gets to be very profitable. i can see how slow playing AA can be good and i often do it, and possibly AK from time to time (though dont do this as much/never, may try it soon), but isnt it just better to call your 4bets OOP w/ hands like j10ss 109ss etc rather than everything??
Dec. 11, 2013 | 12:32 p.m.
i would assume his turn leading range is very polarized until shown otherwise, making a smaller riv bet or checking much better w/ the majority of your range, i think overbet here w/ anything is v bad.
Dec. 10, 2013 | 10:26 p.m.
most of the hands i 4bet are a2-a5ss, and i know if i get min 5bet i'm prob just calling to flop two pair or flush draw and going all in, if u 5bet KK pre, A4ss has like 35% equity, and about that equity vs a strong range, so its a big mistake not to be calling those hands pre to such a small bet
Dec. 10, 2013 | 10:16 p.m.
I think you can build a 5b range, but it should only be w/ AA and maybe a few Axss hands. First, if you get in the habit of 5betting small pre and folding, it just becomes too profitable for the other player to jam. Second, you give the villain like 6-1 or something to call pre w/ any two cards to try to flop two pair or a big draw. Third, if you do it a lot, your 5bet bluff range becomes too weak, and villain can flat even more hands to own you post. And if the villain if 4betting a lot, its just better to jam preflop IMO.
Dec. 9, 2013 | 9:41 p.m.
i think hero is capped on riv not villain... think its more likely villain calls flop checks back turn w/ set than it is hero checks turn w/ set, as played i think i check/decide riv or against bad people bet super small, dont think you get value from worse here ever, unless they suck, in which case bet small
also dont think flop c/c is that bad
Nov. 26, 2013 | 12:33 p.m.
maybe not GTO logic or wtv but feel like no1 ever goes bet turn check riv and k9 is good (from experience they always go bet bet, so you gotta decide if they have enough bluffs to go call call, until you develop history w/ people in these type of spots) --> call turn fold riv seems like worst line to me
Nov. 22, 2013 | 7:05 a.m.
I raise Ac10cK9 from the CO, unknown SB calls. 100 bb deep.
AxJc9c flop, he c/r on smaller side. I call. Turn 4 brick, he pots 44 into 44 w/ 120 behind I cover. I call? Shove?
Thoughts on flop and turn play would be much appreciated. What would a shoving/calling range on the turn look like? Thanks. (sorry dont have hand format)
Nov. 22, 2013 | 1:51 a.m.
first inclination is no w/ no history, 72% open he's got a lot of flush combos - Kxdd Qxdd Jxdd 10xdd 8xdd 7xdd prob is like around 30 hands or something - Axd arent as many hands as you would think especially when you block one ace, let's say he calls w/ A7d + i think is only 12 combos, so looks like clear check unless he's calling you w/ all is AK and AQ hands, and you are in position so checking is better than being OOP
Nov. 19, 2013 | 1:06 p.m.
i wouldnt discount AA KK QQ or some flush draws played oddly (though AA and KK seem much less likely on the river especially w/o a spade - think he can find reason to jam given he may assume you 3bet the turn a lot w/ 2pr+, and if he has As or Ks in his hand, you have like 2 flush combos) - i might check back a flop like this as the PFR w/ a semi-strong hand to balance the many times I am checking back and giving up on this board -- when you say one of his possible hands to raise is 46ss, you have to think what % of time he is actually 3betting this preflop, which is prob like 10% of the time maybe, if that, same w/ 33, so that weights it down to less than one hand combo IMO - same goes for A4ss, but same goes for other hands on flop if you get my what im saying
Oct. 14, 2013 | 3 p.m.
i think its a good board to c/r w/ some bluffs for sure -- the original raiser has all the nutted combos in his range (A10ss, 1010, 99, 109), whereas generally the 3bettor's only solid made hand is AA and some 1010 combos if you 3bet that -- i think also because of this its a good spot to be checking back a lot vs good players w/ strong hands
Oct. 14, 2013 | 2:19 p.m.
maybe you can point out how GTO might fit in here, but to me it feels like it would make a lot of sense to check here in general, with possibly all(?) of our hands, given how strong I'd perceive his flop continuing range and w/ only one PSB left (given i'd say he has a lot of made hands ((he definitely has more flushes, sets, and two pairs, than us in his range)) and a few hands like kcjx which don't have a ton of equity vs most of our hands we bet on the flop and check turn w/ but we can bluff catch with, and its debateable he even peels those on the flop given how tight we should be perceived to be cbetting this flop and how unlikely it is he gets paid off when he even gets the chance to see a 4th club) -- given all this, prob good for him to be peeling flop a little wider than one might think but maybe even hard for him to do if he folds offsuit broadway combos pre given how poorly they play in these types of spots even in position
Oct. 13, 2013 | 10:22 p.m.
agreed you wont face c/r this big on flop to leave PSB left on turn w/o a turn shove or river shove if turn goes check check, make decision on flop -- JJ is a decent blocker to 10x hands for sure, def opponent dependent don't think you can really analyze this hand other than saying that