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Currently playing a lot of 8 handed on the pokerrrr2 app. Obviously, there are a ton of multiway spots that are 3bet, 4bet, and sometimes even 5bet. Stacks are very deep.

1/2/4 w stacks ranging between 500-10k depending on the size of the game.

Is PLO Vision worth it for these games? There are definitely heads up spots that occur, but they are few and far between. It could help me nail down some RFI or 3bet/4bet pre spots. Would love any input from someone who has used the product

Sept. 22, 2020 | 9:40 p.m.

1-2-5 Live PLO 9 handed (playing 6 handed because of people walking)

Straddle 10

Tight UTG (1500) raise, I call (1300) AsKcJc10h, and straddle (300) calls.

UTG is very tight, and I don't want to have to fold vs a 4bet here, so I think flatting is the right play.

Flop 8s5c3c.

Check, Check, check.

Textbook check back here I think. This is very middle of the road hand and I want to realize equity.

Turn 4h. Straddler checks, UTG bets 60, I raise 250, fold, fold.

The straddler is generally very aggressive and will lead often when he hits his hand. With shorter stacks, I think his leading frequency goes up. He will often try to squeeze the UTG player here to folding out more equity bc theres a big stack behind him. When he checks twice, I think he is basically giving up. Additional info, he was paying 0 attention to the hand and on his phone.

When the UTG checks the flop and bets the turn, I think his range is pretty weak. I think he has 67 very rarely or almost never. Most of his 67xx combos from UTG would have bet the flop. Basically, I think he is capped at A2. He much more likely is just making a stab at this pot with a weakish type hand. This card just isn't very good for his range. I decided to raise because we can have way more 67 and should have a decent amount of fold equity here. We have 0 showdown value, but we can improve to a good flush on the river, if called.

Oct. 1, 2019 | 12:53 a.m.

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Oct. 1, 2019 | 12:49 a.m.

I think you nailed it with the preflop thoughts. The main strength of this hand is the nut flush potential. While that is a strong component, multiway it won't make up for the rest of the hand being disconnected. This flop is a prime example.

Lets say you have AQ8x
x = K - improve to better two pair
x = J, 10, 9 - improve to better two pair + straight blockers + backdoor straight draws
x = 7 - straight blocker
x = 6-2 = Fold Pre

This additional equity will be what we need to continue in a ton of multiway spots.

Lets consider turn cards

Qc 8h 6c

Any club = shutting down
J, 10, 9, 7, 5, 4 = straight cards. You have to completely shut down on most of those.
K = worry about better two pair

A = top two pair, but have to worry about nearly every single non-board pair card making some straight or flush on river
3, 2 = Only real blanks. Get the money in and hopefully not be up against a set.
Q, 8 = boat

The spot we created is one where we get amazing odds to call closing the action. Something around 5.5:1. It seems unreasonable about folding here because of all the potential draws that are out there. Given the SB is a splashy fish, he will jam a lot of weaker draws, pair+weak clubs or weak straight draws.

As played, I call the $170 more and see the turn and make the decision there. I avoid this whole situation entirely by folding the flop.

Oct. 1, 2019 | 12:34 a.m.

I have a good overall winrate in the SB, but I seem to have a leak in my cold calling strat. Cold calling hands to my knowledge should be hands not good enough to 3bet, but have some pull, play well multiway, and will do better than -50bb/100 winrate. Obviously we consider the position of the raiser, and the big blinds squeezing tendencies.

I was hoping we could discuss some hands that are borderline between calling and folding.

Small Blind winrate over 32,370 hands: -26.85 bb/100 adjusted ev

3bet small blind winrate over 1300 hands: 303 bb/100 adjusted ev

Cold Call SB over 4000 hands: -85 bb/100 adjusted ev

March 2, 2017 | 11:13 p.m.

Thanks, just checked and my river call efficiency is 1.52 over 400k hands :)

I had never looked into that stat before. I felt like i was getting killed on the river recently, but maybe it was just some variance.

Jan. 27, 2017 | 11:36 p.m.

What is a legitimate win rate on calling a river bet?

I want to make sure that I am not calling too often, but I have no clue what the win rate should be. Obviously, it depends how you get to the river and a lot of other factors. Any insight will help, thanks.

Jan. 26, 2017 | 6:47 a.m.

what was the name of the video you mentioned about playing in the blinds?

May 10, 2016 | 4:48 a.m.

Hey leszek,

I was also wondering if you knew what types of values an average player should have for these stats. I know you go over some of them in your video, but i am still unsure when to consider some of these as high/low

March 28, 2016 | 9:46 p.m.

This HUD looks excellent. I wanted to start using this myself, but I use PT4. I took the time to find the stats and the different names that they go by as compared to HEM.

This is what my PT4 HUD looks like reconfigured to look like yours. I was wondering if you could confirm some of these stats, or if anybody knows if these are the correct names going from HEM to PT4

Line 1

Player Name / Hands Abbreviated / Fold to F CB in 3bet+ pot / WWSF / Float Flop / Probe Turn / Donk Flop / Raise F Donkbet

Line 2

VPIP / PFR / 3bet preflop / Fold to PF 3bet / 4bet range / Fold vs BTN steal - custom set to SB / 3bet vs BTN - custom set to SB / Fold vs BTN steal - custom set to BB

Line 3

RFI - custom set to EP / RFI - custom set to MP / Attempt to Steal - LP / Attempt to Steal - custom seat to SB / BB vs SB open - fold / Total AF / Total AFq

Line 4

Cbet flop / Fold to Raise after F Cbet / Fold to Flop Float Bet / Fold to F Cbet / Raise F Cbet / Check Raise Total / Raise F Cbet in 3bet pot

Line 5

Delayed Turn Cbet IP / Fold to T Probe Bet / Bet River / Fold to River Float / Fold to River Probe / River AF


Float flop = flop bet vs missed cbet IP
probe turn = turn bet vs missed flop cbet oop
donk flop = flop donkbet
raise f donkbet = flop raise donkbet
4bet range - raise first in (custom stat / needs to be downloaded) = 4bet range
Fold vs BTN steal - customize position set to SB = SB fold to BTN steal
3bet vs BTN - customize position set to SB = SB 3bet vs BTN
Fold vs BTN steal - customize position set to BB = BB fold to BTN steal
RFI - customize set to EP = EP RFI
RFI - customize set to MP = MP RFI
Attempt to steal LP = CO steal / Button Steal
Attempt to steal - customize position set to SB = attempt to steal SB
BB vs SB open - fold = BB fold to SB steal
Fold to R after F Cbet = flop cbet - fold
Fold to F float bet = c/f as PFR in single raised pot
Fold to F float bet in 3bet pot = c/f as PFR in 3bet pot
Raise F cbet = flop raise cbet
Raise F cbet in 3bet pot = flop raise cbet in 3bet pot
Delayed turn cbet (custom stat to download) = Delayed turn cbet
could not find = Delayed turn cbet in 3bet pot
Fold to turn probe = skip flop cbet and fold to turn bet IP
Bet River = river bet
Fold to river float bet = river c/f oop (another option would be fold to river bet and customizing the setting to out of position)
Fold to river probe bet = river fold IP

Feb. 24, 2016 | 3:25 a.m.

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