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Post | flipacoin posted in PLO: Line Check/Turn sizing check

PL Omaha 50(BB)
HERO ($9650) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 22.3% | Flop Agg: 24.7% | Turn Agg: 20.3% | River Agg: 19.6% | 3-Bet: 5.8% | 4-Bet: 13.3% | Hands: 892]
BTN ($7647) [VPIP: 60% | PFR: 2.9% | AGG: 22.6% | Hands: 35]
SB ($6196) [VPIP: 28.2% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 33.6% | Hands: 229]
BB ($5320) [VPIP: 30.6% | PFR: 23% | AGG: 38.2% | Flop Agg: 41.6% | Turn Agg: 39.4% | River Agg: 30.2% | 3-Bet: 9.1% | Fold to 3-Bet: 10% | 4-Bet: 20% | Hands: 320]
UTG ($6669) [VPIP: 55.3% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 26.9% | Hands: 189]
HJ ($2261) [VPIP: 13.3% | PFR: 6.7% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 30]

Dealt to Hero: Kc 8c Ah 9h

UTG Calls $50, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $225, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Raises To $750, UTG Folds, HERO Calls $525

Hero SPR on Flop: [2.9 effective]
Flop ($1575): 5c Jh 8d
BB Bets $788 (Rem. Stack: $3782), HERO Calls $788 (Rem. Stack: $8112)

Turn ($3151): 5c Jh 8d 6h
BB Checks, HERO Bets $1700 (Rem. Stack: $6412), BB Raises To $3782 (allin), HERO Calls $2082 (Rem. Stack: $4330)

River ($10715): 5c Jh 8d 6h 4s

BB shows: 2h Kh Kd 5d

BB wins: $10315

Pretty good game. BB is a decent REG . BTN is the spot. I see myself playing a lot again BB in the future so I want to be sure how I play him, I'm fine with my line unless you guys see something I should have done different. There are 2 main thoughts I have about this hand and its all turn related.

1) BB decided to C/R all in on that turn. Is that a reasonable play? He is trying to fold out my weaker 2 pairs maybe that's about it . The main reason I don't like this play is the meta. We all know that BTN is the spot. I don't see him 3 betting me light and potentially lose BTN pre so I am weighting his range highly premium. TBH I even thought of folding pre (mostly cause I'm shot taking and didn't want a spot with who I thought was one of the better players there but I called and thought that I could float flop with the pair and 2bd's ) > so basically I'm not sure about his play but I wonder whether my turn sizing gave him the OPP to try this on me

2) Did i size incorrectly on the turn, In general I'm trying to play balanced . I sized smaller than usual cause I defined his range more premium so I figured against that range I would bet straights smaller anyways. I'm wondering if in this spot I should have sized up a little more.

I guess I want to know if u see something in the way I played this hand that led to him trying what he did cause I see myself playing him a lot. Ideally I'm okay with the play cause TBH that was the worst hand I have in that spot . Any thoughts. Hope I explained my self clearly. This is my first post and I'm not the best at getting my thoughts out of my head.. Any input appreciated.

April 24, 2021 | 12:01 p.m.

Comment | flipacoin commented on AA95 plo50

I agree with Tom, I would want to 3-bet since HJ is relatively deep and by just calling you are allowing more players just to call along, reducing your equity. And also you have button. If HJ decides to just call your 3-bet, you have position on him. If he 4-bets you get it in with good equity against his range. 

Also another point to note, not that I have much Info on him, but UTG since he is relatively short could choose to squeeze opening up all kinds of great spots for you. But once you just call pre, would just fold the flop, havent got much invested in the hand. 

June 23, 2013 | 9:58 p.m.

all 3options are good.. I would take the check call line. im check calling most rivers, leading out on heart rivers. 

June 23, 2013 | 7:02 p.m.

I think its fine to play the flop that way...I wouldn't c/r on that flush board without a FD to go with the wrap. More importantly from HJ, ure only hope to bet is the button and kinda looks fishy taking a C/R line like that. So bet and thin the field so u can make a decision on based on turns.

 In this turns case I think mostly likely you can go ahead and bet that turn, you don't have much info on the guy but u know he is aggressive with his solid draws and protects his made hands, so he is mostly likely gonna protect that draw heavy board if he had a set of sorts. I would little over half pot the turn, and  bet about 70 % on all non-club rivers whether or not my straight gets there. 

June 23, 2013 | 6:18 p.m.

used to often play in games where minimum buy was 300 BB+ (to discourage
grinders from taking shots) and these were things I noticed :

effective stacks become that deep, one thing i noticed that happens a lot live is
that opens stop making sense (i.e. ppl start opening  5x-7X+ from any position inflating pots pre)
. This is cause with so much money on the table people want to protect there
hand, some maniacs abuse the fact that people play scared so deep and inflate
to steal, or others inflate and balance there ranges well.

key things to notice is if with inflated opens is the extent your opponents range also
widens. Playing deep, opponents give away a lot of open and 3-bet sizing
tells so look out for that.

for your own range, if you choose to open it up, stay to the rule of doing it
more in position than out and also balance your sizing for your ranges . Also
be aware of the short-stacks, many times , I've seen big stacks get involved in
these raising wars, and a short stack quickly just limp-shoves for a easy

addressing your points:

In general opening/ 3 betting hands you want to
play is not a bad idea, however in your case  you are 3 betting every hand
you want to play. Essentially every time you see a flop, you have either 3 bet
or opened.  If you are doing this from a
variety of positions, ideally balance your range, 3-bet/open with the higher
portions of your range OOP. But be warned, an opponent noticing your just opening or 3 betting everything, he would would start 3betting you/4-betting you light pre or donking flops on
you to steal.  So i would prefer still
mixing in a few limps and calls into my pre-flop moves to keep em guessing

This sounds like a worry of reverse implied
odds. Once again its player specific. If you are willing to fold big hands/or
keep pots small/take bet fold lines, you can play a wider range. Once you get
so deep, I feel a lot of the poker is about chipping away slowly at stacks. I
personally play a wider range than that, but it keeps with my image.

This once again depends on many things , for the
most part, I don’t fold pairs to an open If the math is good to set mine (with the implied
odds to back it up) , whats the harm. But yeah maybe HU against a good reg, i
might once in a whie. Set over sets happen if you are playing within BR, this
should be things to worry about.

I don’t like 4 especially considering what you
do in 3. If you are folding pairs less than 8’s from BB and now squeezing and
3bet/4betting these weaker holdings , I feel there is a range imbalance from this
position which over time , if the right opponents are observing will be noticed
and can be exploited. I would just stick with your plan and wait for a better
spot/better holding for these spots. Sure throwing it in once in a while for
randomization doesn’t hurt but don’t over do it.

Mine that shit, control the pot. (this is point
6six in your post).

Those are my thoughts on the situation. Ideally be aware of
all stack sizes. Once you get so deep, I feel a lot of the poker is a marathon not that sprint to double up that 100BB poker can be :) 

June 23, 2013 | 1:23 p.m.

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