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Its funny, I didn't even think about raising flop because I thought I'd struggle to find enough bluffs but in reality it doesn't matter because like you say villains are going to be b/c way too often, especially when they use this sizing.

Dec. 10, 2018 | 4:59 p.m.

Really interesting comment, thanks! Having a limping strategy in the SB isn't something that i've incorporated, partly due to the rake but here it makes a lot of sense given the amount that BB is 3betting. Agree that may have played better as a l/c instead.

x/c turn is interesting as like you say we dont need much protection and protects our weaker hands. Seems like leading wasnt the best idea and got me into a really awkward spot on the river lol.

Dec. 10, 2018 | 3:06 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $78.28 (Hero)
SB: $58.28
BB: $55.81
UTG: $85.46
MP: $108.14
CO: $52.21
villain is unknown
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BN with 8 8
UTG raises to $1.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.10, 2 folds
Flop ($2.95) 5 Q 8
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50
Turn ($7.95) 5 Q 8 K
UTG bets $5.00, Hero calls $5.00
River ($17.95) 5 Q 8 K Q
UTG bets $76.86 and is all in

Dec. 9, 2018 | 6:37 p.m.

Hand History | frontdoorbackdoor posted in NLHE: 50Z 3bp line check
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $53.93
SB: $53.33 (Hero)
BB: $72.17
UTG: $57.05
MP: $63.99
CO: $50.25
BB is a loose reg, 31/26 over 240 hands, positional 3bet from BB 38% over 21 hands
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is SB with 7 6
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, BB raises to $3.60, Hero calls $2.40
Flop ($7.20) 4 T 5
Hero checks, BB bets $3.76, Hero calls $3.76
Turn ($14.72) 4 T 5 8
Hero bets $7.41, BB calls $7.41
River ($29.54) 4 T 5 8 T
Hero bets $9.26, BB raises to $57.40 and is all in, Hero calls $29.30 and is all in

Dec. 9, 2018 | 2:59 p.m.

  1. Depends on how you play your range. If you're betting everything on the flop then a smaller sizing works better. If you're betting more polarised then betting 2/3p+ makes more sense. Turn seems like a check though as I don't see you getting 3 streets of value here. If you are betting turn then sizing up makes sense.

  2. vs the x/r, I don't know if you have that equity to call but you block some of his bluffs but also some of his value combos like 2 pair. Vs passive villains you can just fold here on the turn and more aggressive ones call turn and call on brick rivers. This river fold looks good as its very difficult for him to have any bluffs on this card.

Dec. 9, 2018 | 10:53 a.m.

Turn plays better as a x/c and river x/decide based on sizing and reads. Lots of recs will float flop with K high with bdfd but moreover I don't think you're getting 3 streets from worse pairs too often.

Dec. 9, 2018 | 10:47 a.m.

cbet/call and x/jam when heads up both seem fine on the flop. Turn just fold vs this line as we can already be dead and UTG is going to be 3betting this at a non zero frequency so we dont even get to realise our equity.

Dec. 9, 2018 | 10:45 a.m.

I wouldnt be calling anything vs that 4bet sizing because post flop becomes so awkward. In this spot, shoving pre seems good and is very likely going to be the highest +EV play.

Dec. 9, 2018 | 10:38 a.m.

Agree on folding pre. Turn call seems ok as he can be doing this with worse for value but its not a great spot. This river I'd definitely fold though, you have the bottom end of the straight and he's overbetting and all bluffs got there.

Dec. 9, 2018 | 10:36 a.m.

A recreational player will have a decent amount of Ax here but there are still more than enough lower pairs to be value shoving here and is for sure going to be +EV.

Dec. 9, 2018 | 10:29 a.m.

Squeeze is going to be better if blinds are aggressive and rake is high as good chance we take it down preflop. But it blinds arent aggressively 3betting and at least one of them is a recreational player then I prefer calling. Like Jeff_ said, the sizing is too big though.

Because of the sizing, this plays like a 4bet pot and i'd just bet the flop small at this point, having so much equity vs anything in his range

Dec. 9, 2018 | 10:25 a.m.

Would have preferred to check this pre as iso seems quite loose. As played betting probably fine and turn looks like good X. River would go for a value betanywhere from 1/2 pot to 2/3. When he pots it, it's kinda close but don't hate a call but most recs would just bet their bluffs on the turn

Dec. 8, 2018 | 4 p.m.

I'm guessing you mean bet turn and x river? But yeah i see your reasoning and he can for sure be merging here. Yeah, reckon x/r flop would have been better and avoided this awkward spot :(

Dec. 7, 2018 | 11:13 p.m.

Whilst I agree that we shouldn't be calling this with AJ I also think it's a bit dangerous to project logic into a recreational players line. By its very nature, this line is going to be volatile and I wouldn't be surprised to see a recreational jamming wider than you think here.

Dec. 7, 2018 | 8:25 p.m.

Hi, thanks for replying:

  1. Don't think all good hands are removed from his range when he checks back the turn but the frequency is definitely going to be reduced. I don't see people slow playing here enough on the turn with 2 pair and sets when my range looks very capped after just x/c the flop vs this sizing. True though that maybe certain villains might check back turn to induce something but this would be the exception rather than the norm from what I've seen.

  2. The b/x/b line isn't often used as a bluff so if we end up on the river with very likely the best hand and opponent is unlikely to bet then I prefer just betting ourselves for thin value. Checking makes a lot of sense with worse pairs but with this hand I think we'd be missing value by not betting.

Dec. 6, 2018 | 7:29 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $71.84
SB: $53.09
BB: $61.27 (Hero)
UTG: $86.75
MP: $176.65
CO: $54.13
UTG is likely a rec - 37/37 over 20 hands and seen him with a shorter stack before
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with A A
UTG raises to $1.40, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, UTG calls $4.10
Flop ($11.25) 7 T 8
Hero checks, UTG bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50
Turn ($28.25) 7 T 8 Q
Hero checks, UTG bets $19.00, Hero folds

Dec. 6, 2018 | 6:37 p.m.

Hand History | frontdoorbackdoor posted in NLHE: 50Z river raise BvB
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $80.28
SB: $56.25
BB: $52.76 (Hero)
UTG: $56.73
MP: $34.98
CO: $336.76
BTN looks reggish, 28/22 with 8.1% 3bet over 200 hands. RFI 44% on button. WTSD 17, W$SD 50, WWSF 54
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q 5
3 folds, BN raises to $1.15, SB folds, Hero calls $0.65
Flop ($2.55) Q 3 9
Hero checks, BN bets $0.61, Hero calls $0.61
Turn ($3.77) Q 3 9 7
Hero checks, BN checks
River ($3.77) Q 3 9 7 4
Hero bets $2.69, BN raises to $12.65

Dec. 6, 2018 | 6:22 p.m.

Think you can fold river. Would prefer to be bluff catching with AK rather than AA blocking 2 pair but in general like you say this is going to be underbluffed

Dec. 5, 2018 | 2:15 p.m.

Don't we allow BTN to realise a lot of equity with hands like AQ/AK by checking this flop? I'm guessing if we x/c, we have to x/f on overcards and clubs

Dec. 3, 2018 | 11:06 a.m.

Hand History | frontdoorbackdoor posted in NLHE: 50Z weak top pair in 3bp
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $80.01
SB: $39.50
BB: $50.00
UTG: $77.14
MP: $57.51 (Hero)
CO: $78.64
UTG is reggish - 27/23 with 10% 3bet and 60% F3bet over 300 hands doesnt seem positionally aware over this sample. BTN is unknown
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is MP with T 9
UTG raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, CO folds, BN calls $4.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.00
Flop ($14.25) 9 2 6
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.00, BN folds, UTG calls $7.00
Turn ($28.25) 9 2 6 5
UTG checks, Hero checks
River ($28.25) 9 2 6 5 Q
UTG bets $65.64 and is all in, Hero folds

Dec. 2, 2018 | 11:25 p.m.

Think main issue is the flop. Betting or checking seem fine as its SB vs CO so your range is presumably quite linear and hits this board fairly often too. I wouldn't generally want to x/r QQ without a diamond on the flop. x/c might be better if you are going to check.

As played, turn isn't great but K shouldn't hit either range particularly hard and a lot of villains will just get it in with their strong hands on the flop. He has a lot of draws in his range but at the same time, many people will just check these back. Its probably close but with only 30bb left behind for the river, you may as well x/jam if you're going to be calling turn as you aren't folding river anyways and hes probably not folding anything that bets the turn.

Dec. 2, 2018 | 3:51 p.m.

I think I would have preferred a smaller sizing on the flop unless you think villain is a weaker player in which case sizing up is probably better. Turn its close, probably just fold without a spade and call it off with one. Yeah sure you could be getting bluffed here with AsQx once in a while and he could be overplaying QQ or AJ or whatever but that's less likely being deep and I'd expect to see a flush or 8x here more often.

Dec. 2, 2018 | 3:39 p.m.

Yeah totally agree. It's easy to fall into the trap of assuming everyone is playing back at you and then overadjusting

Dec. 1, 2018 | 12:48 p.m.

End of the month and mixed feelings. The beginning of the month went quite well and felt that I was playing decent so ended up playing 90% of volume at Nl50. Downside is that I found myself overadjusting in certain spots vs the regs and certainly donated a few stacks through some spewy play. Graph pretty much speaks for itself, losing on EV and redline tanked hard when moving up.

Study-wise, I’m quite happy with the time and effort put in, managed to hit my study goals quite comfortably and have started working with a solver, particularly a lot of 3bet spots as they seem to be spots where I’m leaking a lot of money according to my database.

I didn’t quite manage to not look at results the whole month and certainly the temptation to check came back when I was running both good and bad. For this next month, I really want to focus on playing my A game at every session and this means not looking at results and trying to be fully focussed on the process. Also I want to make it a priority to be playing the strategy that nets the most EV against the player pool and not to just to try and play a GTO strategy when an exploitative one would work better.

Goals for the month
1. 5 hours study per week
2. 10 hours play per week
3. Play most of volume at Nl50z
4. Don’t check results until end of the month


Dec. 1, 2018 | 12:35 a.m.

Hand History | frontdoorbackdoor posted in NLHE: 50Z river decision with 2pair
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $66.15
SB: $79.13
BB: $103.52 (Hero)
UTG: $23.25
MP: $88.11
CO: $56.46
CO is a 4 tabling reg. 23/18 over 189 hands, 3bet 11, RFI 30% from CO over 20 hands. WTSD 41, W$SD 33, WWSF 45
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q J
2 folds, CO raises to $1.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75
Flop ($2.75) K 7 J
Hero checks, CO bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00
Turn ($6.75) K 7 J Q
Hero checks, CO bets $4.29, Hero calls $4.29
River ($15.33) K 7 J Q 2
Hero checks, CO bets $12.76, Hero folds

Nov. 29, 2018 | 3:27 p.m.

Comment | frontdoorbackdoor commented on 50Z spew?

haha, nice catch. Yeah thats an ugly spot on the turn too

Nov. 29, 2018 | 2:21 p.m.

Comment | frontdoorbackdoor commented on 50Z spew?

yeah I think i agree that turn should be a x/f even with this SPR as played

Nov. 28, 2018 | 5:58 p.m.

Comment | frontdoorbackdoor commented on A6s 50nl

He can be doing this with worse, he reps so narrow and you don't block any bluffs so I'd call. This river is a blank so if you call the turn raise with the impression that he has bluffs then you should be calling the river too. Agreed though that it is an underbluffed line but on this runnout I'd need pretty good reads on the player to make a fold with this hand.

Nov. 27, 2018 | 10:37 p.m.

vs a tight reg, even turn is starting to get thin and we struggle to get 3 streets here so prefer a check. As played, river I wouldn't mind block betting smaller to get called by turned Kx or Jx that picked up a pair on the river. If you check, it looks like a fold as cant see many bluffs here as most draws improve on the J and Ac is on the board so not many flush draws.

Nov. 27, 2018 | 9:30 p.m.

Wouldn't really want to shove this turn vs this line as his range is quite airless and at best you're flipping and worst are drawing dead. River seems like an easy call as he can have 9T, AT, missed draws, maybe even some random spew. Like above poster said, would expect better hands to be betting this flop so its just unlucky to run into this.

Nov. 27, 2018 | 9:23 p.m.

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