iamallin

Hj should be about 20 - 22%

Co should be about 25 - 28%

Btn should be about 40 - 45 %

I think suited hands will do better in live games since so many pots go multiway.

I would rather have k7s over a8o if it's close between the two.

Seems about right.

If you want to tighten up, fold hands that contain a 2 or 3 in them. You want your opponents to have those cards and fold to your raise.

So may be get rid of A2s, A3s and add 98s.

1. Open bigger. Go 4x 5x 6x. See at what point he starts changing his strategy, if at all. Good way to punish someone who doesn't fold is use big sizings and be more value heavy.
2. Open tighter. Against someone so willing to battle, you can't really steal preflop profitably with bad hands.
3. 4 bet shove your small pairs and hands that are vulnerable in 3 bet pots. Off suit ax.
4. I like the suggestion of limping with hands that dont want to get 3 bet. But it does force you to now limp some strong hands ? You have to evaluate if it is important to have a balanced limping strategy and if you want to have a limping range at all.
5. Prepare for some high variance.

We block Ahh combos. Backdoor nut flush draw on flop that decided to triple barrel.

But JTs, KJs, KTs, 78s are all still available as bluffs.

We block AQo.

I am tempted to call barring some exploitative reads that population/specific opponent doesn't bluff enough on double paired boards when all the draws have bricked. I mean it's obvious he has so many busted draws that most decent players will look him up here. So his exploitative adjustment should be to use big sizings and underbluff.

That BTN 3 bet is almost 14% ..seems exceptionally wide unless you have no flattting on the btn.

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I think your line is fine. Does he defend off suit tx broadways against a 2.18x from HJ? I would think so. ATo and KTo will chck raise a lot ..and by the river QQ shrinks a lot. But his check raise should go down against a 90% pot cbet.

I find it hard to not play exploitable here. You can always run pio sims to see what it does. Discussing this hand is about exploits if they are at all available.

Exact preflop ranges will matter a lot here.

Does he have 89o? J9o? ATo? KTo?

Do you have ATo, KTo, QTo as opens from HJ for 2.18x?

Also i am surprised snowie 5 bets AKs and folds AKo..i woud think since AK is being used as a bluff..that the 5 bets would come from some AKo amd AKs would go in the flatting ta.ge with better playability.

Ako blocks 2 combos of AKs .and AKs is a bluff either of our opponents might decide to use facing our 5 bet.

5 betting to 45bb with A3s or A5s may commit us with those hands againat the 6 bet shove fron sb for 100bb..

If SB doesnt 6 bet shove qq and ak he can get owned too hard by folding too foten after putting in 19bb. If he does shove those hands, we are committed with A3s to call off.

Snowie's solution looks interesting although bit too nitty.

Snowie is only continuing with 22 combos after presumably opening a 25% range in CO...that's less than 2% ..and around 8% of his CO open range. I thought the equillibrium was around 10% ..but may be the button being a deep stack changes it from 10% to 8%.

Interesting spot.

What about a small 5 bet with qq+, ak? Say 45 to 50bb.

Fold qq and ak if btn 6 bet shoves.

Stack off with entire 5 bet range if sb 6 bet shoves.

If btn calls and sb shoves, we are in a tough spot.

The problem with just calling the 4 bet is we give the btn too much leverage to play his qq and ak aggresively as a value bet agaisnt sb and bluff against us.

Id much rather be the guy who takes that leverage and puts btn's qq and ak in a tough spot.

1. It's correct to 3 bet and 4 bet more aggresively when you are deep. You will be playing a lot of 3 bet and 4 bet pots. Your 4 bets will get called more. This will be a big reason your win rate will be higher i deep games.

2. Coolers still happen at the same frequency regardless of stack size. But you win more when deep and cooler goes in your favour specially against rec players who wont ha e the discipline to get away from strong second best hands in a deep game.

So if it was a 4 handed game

A B C D seated around the table in that order clockwise.

B and D were playing weak tight in every position and are playing the same strategy.

A and C are playing the GTO solution.

Then i would expect A and C to profit in this game and equally share that profit because of positional symmetry.

If A and B were playing qeak tight in every position and are plauong the same strategy.

And C and D are pkaying GTO solution

Then I would expdct C and D to profit though not equally because D has 2 weak tight players on his left while C has only one. Positional assymetry.

Very good question imo.

I would say it is unfair to expect GTO strategy to not suffer in the face of assymetry.

The asymmetry being the weak tight player only plays weak tight on the button.

If he was to be playing weak tight in every position, i would expect both of the remaining players to profit from his mistakes (though the profit share may or may not be equal because of the inherent asymnetry of a 3 handed game )

That would be unsolved I assume? 3 way preflop equillibiurm is very non trivial. Snowie is just spitting out results of iterated experiments.

This is the widest 3 bet spot in ring games. 40% open and anywhere from 10 to 15% 3 bet. It's fine to have a flat calling range here imo.

In aggresive games this might induce 2 types of mistakes
1. Button could overcall too wide or 4 bet too aggresively.
2. Sb may make over aggresive mistakes postflop against your cold call. Cbetting too wide. He has 15% of hands while you have less than 5%.

I think Ad 5x could consider calling. In addition to blocking value, it unblocks QT/JT

Td5x blocks a hand like QxTd or JxTd that btn could bluff with.

I am tempted to call as well.

It'd be weird of him to no raise jj or tt on flop but now shove thise hands on turn.

We are realsitically looking at
Ajs
Kqs
Qjs
Aq of fd
At of fd

You have more than 25% against that.

Bigger sizing makes sense in a deeper game.

You can work out the math behind what % of your range you should defend facing the bigger sizings.

Stack off ranges 200bb deep are very player dependent. Some players will happily 6 bet shove qq+ AK ..and some would never 6 bet anything other than AA some still may not even have a 6 bet range.

In deep games, you will end up playing more 4 bet pots. 100bb deep, 4 bets are usually met with a 5 bet shove or fold unless your 4 bet size was small. Calling 4 bets is more appealing in deep games since you have more implied odds than in the 100bb game.

So I don't think 4 betting off suit Broadways is as good in a deep game. You will get called frequently and playing a 4 bet pot with AJo is not that enticing with a lot of money behind.

In tournaments with smaller SPRs though, check jamming turns is a viable option so you will need to think about how that incetivizes you to check more hands on turn OOP.

In general, playing dynamic boards OOP with one pot sized bet behind on rivers is very difficult.

3 flush boards are definitely tricky and will need mix strategies.

Also depends on how connected it is. Connected 3 flush boards shold involve a lot of checking from OOP on flop and turn.

As a general rule, you want to build a bigger pot hen you have high card of the flush suit on flop or turn. You want to keep the pot small when you dont have the backdoor flush draw on flop or the redraw on turn.

But when you have the bdfd or the redraw on turn, you mix with betting more preferred than checking.

I would consider raising flop - 1/3rd pot bet from a rec player on this board is very unlikely to be strong. We have a non nut straight draw and non nut flush draw. I would be happy to raise flop and out bet dominating draws on turns.

He has 7 nut flushes. We need him to have nearly 5 bluffs.

His only natural bluffs seem like AsKx or AsQx. He would need to bluff all of his AsKx (3) and some of his AsQx to have enough bluffs.

I am in the camp of folding turn. Your one straight flush out pairs the board and kills your action anyway or does it?

Do you think he will check board pairing rivers allowing you to see a showdown on at least 20% of rivers?

We never improve on river. So if we can't show down our hand on at least some rivers for free ( and/or villain never gives up with his turn bluffs - which is likely to be the case here)

then I really like folding turn.

If LL only 3 bets qjs but not qjo ( which is a very reasonable and standard 3 betting strategy from BB from what I know )

Then q9 blocks 1 bluff and 3 value hands.

Blocking 3 value hands is definitely more important than unblocking 1 bluff.

In my sims, pio never called with 96s. .and called with j9 ahead of q9

I can't believe anyone would fold AJ here. That's crazy.

We can always be fairly sure of villain's value range but will have doubts about his bluff range.

To put him on such a specific bluff range and fold hands as strong as AJ is crazy to me.

I do think exploitative Cindy was happy to see that K river ..it naturally reduces linus' value range and Cindy decided to look him up hoping that linus wouldn't adjust his bluff combos

It reminds of that torelli vs Polk hand where Alec called down with jj when the K hit the river