''Can we still use 1/3 strategy on the flop with our whole range or should we also take into a consideration board texture, our hand strength etc. and make a decision based on that?''
I wouldnt rangebet this spot for a small sizing- it's a texture where your fold equity will be cloose to 0% if you go 30%- wich dosent accomplish much in my opinion, but what ever.. EV wise it will not be bad necassary but i think splitting your range is more effective and pretty easy.
A board like Q72r 22Qr etc would be better to go 1/3 often because then its thougher to defend his junk.
With all that said, i will sizeup and barrel quite aggresivly and expect to print EV vs fish, they will have a huge range disadvantage and just need to overfold most flops. Nice turn to continue the story, fish like to fold on overcards turns because they play their hand and dont think about ranges so his 6x and low pps will find some folds now. ANd u picked up some equity !
Nov. 22, 2019 | 5:34 a.m.
PrankCallRiver nailed it. JJ really wants to bet for value and protection. So i would bet probably 100%. If you want to check back any overpair i would pick AA, But not often. And maybe TT, because im not really thrilled getting in TT otf, But i still Will if i bet it. As bluffs i would pick some QK ak backdoor to jam if i turn fds. But this spot Will be player very straight forward 4ways. More deny equity with your strong hands and check if you dont have it, so Pretty low cb% compared to HU pot.
Protection is really important, if 2 guys have PP and one a pair on the board They have 9 outs allready wich is significant in such bloated pott
Nov. 22, 2019 | 4:26 a.m.
BigFiszh Awesome explanations!!!
''The "problem" is, any exploit leaves us exploitable ourselves''
Yea, that's the tricky part. Deciding when to go with the exploit or not, or maybe exploit just a little bit rather than going for the max exploit so we dont get ''murdered'' if we are wrong.
I've recognized that it can be dangerous to play exploitable/asumptive, because those asumptions can easily be wrong and backfire me badly.
For example, i might se that one players hud stats looks bad, like he is overfolding or underfolding rivers- and then i could adjust. But it's also assumptive, he might just have been running good or bad over the sample and therefore his stats is tweaked one way or another. Or he could have changed his strategy this session for some reason, it can be so many reasons that my assumptions could be completly wrong.
So doing light assumptions can be a problem in my opinion.
I have tried both strategies, attacking alot of spots and just trying to exploit everywhere whenever i think i can getaway with it.
Or just playing more ''locked'' strategy, and not drawing too light assumptions(so i dont open the door for heavy counter exploits).
The 2nd option seems to work better for me, atleast online in somewhat difficult enviorment. Im not saying one way or the other better.
What's your take on that. The pros and cons of adjusting? When it might be a good idea and when it might not be?
Nov. 21, 2019 | 6:12 p.m.
But I'm more concerned on the flop "cbet or not" strategy. What are your fundamentals in a general way ?
Look at the texture, pick the appropriate strategy. Its a very broad question, there is 100s of cbet strategies that could work out fine in this spot if you balance them well.
If you feel unsecure wich strategy is best i would recommend cbetting very high frequency for a small sizing, expection for a few boards. But first study the turn strategy behind it and how you need to defend if you play such a high cb%. For example if you allways cbet small you will get check raised and floated more, so you probably have to peel lighter again x/r and call down lighter if action goes xc xx bet than if your range is more polarized.
But there is upsides that you simplify the gamethree, not have to worry about checking back a balanced range. And could work very well as an exploit against weak players.
I prefer a mixed strategy, wich will still be high cbet %, but also include some checkbacks. But that might not be the best idea if you are not working with solvers or watching videos from players that advocate the same strategy.
I had best results with that strategy, because i feel more comfortable how to procced with my strategy. But i know alot of players just playing a low sizing and very high cb% strategy that are doing very well also.
Nov. 21, 2019 | 3:20 a.m.
Working with solvers and i'm a little bit confused
So as the title says, wondering if GTO is allways making money.
An easy example. We are on the river as the OOP player and our EV is 100- now we lock the strategy and give IP a tons of bad strategys, what ever strategy we give the IP player our EV will remain 100 no matter what he does. If we lock IP and dont lock oop, and lock a bad strategy for IP, OOP players EV goes thru the roof because of the perfect maxexploit it will give us. However, i just want to focus on what happens when we play a GTO strat/ make the other player indifferent. Are we making any $ or are both players just paying rake? :o
Nov. 20, 2019 | 10:33 p.m.
Douggyfr3sh i got a idea for you to use pio vs passive players. You could nodeclock river or even take away his raising option OTR, and you can se How light you are allowed to valuebet then. Also give yourself the option to have small and big betsize. Maybe AQ in this spot would be worth a small bet vs player that is to faceup
Nov. 16, 2019 | 7:40 p.m.
Either attack their aggression with even more aggression. It is for sure though to have aggro players especially on your left, it Will be alot More variance involved. You could also play tighter so it is easier to fight back when you play a hand, wich style you choose is up to you. It’s also no shame to leave and try to find a softer game.
Nov. 16, 2019 | 7:15 p.m.
In this example, im not sure why you give BB 20% off AA-KK-JJ preflop? I wouldnt give more than 5% of AA-KK, maybe 20% JJ, PIO is very sensible to ranges, if you give wrong range it will also give you the answer vs the wrong range.
I would check this back vs good players, its abit to thin, especially against the range you gave him. He will have 2pair, straights and some flushes. And you are looking to get herocalled by a very small range. I like to exploit players and bet very small in this spot if im very confident on my reads on the player that he stations and are not capable of bluffraising rivers for example. But thats rare to have such reads.
-How can I do work on my game to stop missing exploitative value bets OTR in B-B-B lines?
Keep studying and you will find other spots where it is ok to go thinner for value 3 streets. You can also experiment with nodelocking.
1 node lock example.
Assume villian allways fastplay 2pairs+ on wet/drawy boards, but pio wants to have some slowplays, then you can look strategy to allways fastplay his strong hands. And you will likely want to go thinner on the river if you get a clean runout.
Nov. 13, 2019 | 1:50 a.m.
Fine hand, i dont think flush blocking affects is a huge concern in this positions, he can have AQ,AJcc. Sure it's a deal but not enough to make me auto giveup any FD OTR. The highest ev bluffs will be hands like TJss JQss i guess.
Nov. 12, 2019 | 10:36 p.m.
Ok thanks, so to simplify things abit. Pairs and suited connectors/ suited stuff Will generally realize quite well coreect? And stuff like dominated offsuit Will underperform and play much worse.. example: even tho A7o have better % than 56s preflop if there was no more streets to play.
Oct. 7, 2019 | 4:05 a.m.
Can anyone explain how equity realization works in those specific spots?:
3bet pots in position as coldcaller
3bet pots in position as 3better
3bet pots out of position as caller
Assuming we are equally skilled as the opponent, i understand we realize more vs weaker player and less vs better ones.
Im looking for an approximate guideliness, for example if we defend IP in 3bet pot, we realize X % off the pot
Oct. 6, 2019 | 12:37 a.m.
Play hands that make nuts multiway , pps, connected stuff, suited aces etc. It Will be high variance to play 5-7way pots obviously, But if you play a solid range you Will be on the right side of the coolers.
Other good adjustments could be to go even bigger pre, around 8-10x could be reasonable tbh. Maybe its okey to use multiple sizings pre like a huge one with hands that works better vs fewer players and go standard 4-5x with hand playing well in multiway pots. Not a fan of this strat in general, But it might work well in a game like this if They are really clueless..
Sept. 17, 2019 | 3:35 a.m.
belrio42 3bet only is my default, but when i have weaker player in the blind i tend to call more often depending on how bad that weak spot is.
Why i think the spot is underbluffed. An assumption after playing alot in the pool and studying regulars :)
Sept. 12, 2019 | 9:28 a.m.
Good players just sounds better Samu Patronen , Good analysers ;D
Sept. 10, 2019 | 3:06 p.m.
CO: $371.44 (Hero)
Sept. 10, 2019 | 3:03 p.m.
MP: $317.62 (Hero)
Sept. 10, 2019 | 2:58 p.m.
Yea, that's a pretty damn low WWSF, and can be very exploited by observant opponents. I guess you still get to win because players at 10/25NL are not exploiting you enough.
I acctualy have the same problem, but my wwsf is around 45, wich is abit to low still for my taste. I think most topregs in my games are around 50% wwsf overall.
Would love to hear what other good players have to say about WWSF%, should it be over 50% from all other positions than BB? Im not an stat expert :(-
I tend to put people with wwsf below 45 as nits, 45-48 i think is decent number.. Over 50, still a good number, fighting even harder for pots wich is good, but here we need to start bluffcatching even more.
Back to helping you now!
Yes, some things stands out for me. I agree with Samu Patronen You are just playing a to tight game for my taste.
I would start by polish your preflop game abit, simply get some charts, i recommend snowies preflop stuff, its free and solid. Then Your 3bet and RFI should jump up a touch.
Then postflop, you need to start barreling more- probably look for thinner valuebets, experiment with bigger sizings, and pull the trigger more often- Don't checkback hands without showdown.
Looking at videos from good players is also a great idea.
Sept. 10, 2019 | 1:42 p.m.
I have started to apporach this type of spots very nitty, and find it working better for my winrate.
I completly agree with Samu Patronen , that IP is not supposed to do alot off betting here, and when he decides to bet(and even bet pot) We are much more likely up against AA/KK or even stronger hands. And i also agree that it's very counter intuitive to bluff this spot given our range and percived range.
I think PIO would call again(but not sure tbh against potsize) But then again im sure IPs doing a better job of bluffing the turn.
Another big problem is how do we play river? I don't think we have much if any implied odds here, do we donk on a riverd straight? Its gonna be nearly impossibole for IP do calldown AA/KK, and we will do face jam sometimes( he still can have boats ) And then we are screwed again.
So the way this will play out very often is xc turn, xf river to another big river bet- or calldown wich likely is bad given how unlikely we thought he was to be bluffing the spot.
Another way it plays out, xc turn and he xb a better hand OTR.
Or, we xc and bink the river with a straight- and lead. Unlikely IP calls worse.
Think this examples clarify how overrated our hand is in in this specfic spot- This is a spot that have screwed my redline -
Sept. 9, 2019 | 10:52 a.m.
I don't know really. Depends on IP range, if you really want the answer you need to dig into deep detail, like DNegs98 said, barreling one hand might get more/less folds than another combo and therfore tweak the EVs.
Just a tip, i would recommend using PIO to understand the bigger picture more and not stare blind into small stuff like this why one specfic combo does wierd thing OTT/OTR, it's really wasted time in my opinion. Focus on the more relevant things and frequent spots, for example how often we cbet different textures. Look for patterns and stuff, that are more useful ingame iny my opinion.