I'm starting to do some scripting and I want to learn how to optimally study with the software.
What I know so far:
1. Set a number of X amount of flops
2. Run the solver
3. Paste the results on Excel
4. Interpret results
I feel like I'm missing something and it also seems like the flops are imbalanced. For those of you who are more experienced with this, what do you do to differentiate the different types of flops? What is your step-by-step process with this type of tool?
I would highly appreciate the help
Nov. 23, 2020 | 5:51 p.m.
lIlCitanul thanks for the responses Citanul, just purchased GTO+ and will have to go through some videos about the software. If you have any recommendations on videos feel free to let me know.
So far it's been pretty good. Comparing it to videos that use Pio, I've noticed how close the sims can be
Nov. 3, 2020 | 4:28 p.m.
I've read a lot of posts about GTO+ being the best option price-wise but I would like to know your current input.
I'm on the trigger of purchasing Piosolver's Pro version but the price is insane because of the added key. I'm looking into Pio the most because RIO videos often showcase analysis using the software and the coaches I would like to hire in the future use this as well. Pio's convenience [with the videos] and UI and the selling points for me. I also like Pio because it can be integrated into Simple GTO Trainer. Simple Postflop is currently an option as well.
For those of you who bought Pio, what made you choose it over other solvers? What are the differences? etc
Also, if you have any experience with other solvers please let me know what you think.
Thanks in advance
Oct. 24, 2020 | 8:21 p.m.
Just a note that MDF applies best in river situations where you either win or lose when you defend<
Will take note! I've been using the MDF to formulate preflop ranges in accordance to 3b% and F4B% against different types of Villains. Will have to look into river situations when I get there
Oct. 10, 2020 | 2:10 p.m.
joeeey JamesYang preflop is pretty standard. If Hero has a decent opening range the range will look range something from 30-38%. My standard would be opening ~400combos in CO. Villain's 3bet gives us an MDF of 39% so we should defend 156 combos not including the 4bet/call and 4bet/fold range.
If Villain has a 3bet% of ~11% and we plan on 4betting to 16/17bb then Villain's 5bet/fold range would look something like (TT+, AKo, AKs) vs that range we should be able to 4b/call (QQ+) [18combos] profitably and bluff (AQo, KQo/AJo 50% of the time)[16combos]. The 4bet ranges are assuming Villain's F4B is 50%. BU should be incentivized to 3bet wider here because CO's range is normally wide and BU wouldn't want SB or BB to gain EV from squeezing if BU + position post flop.
As you see, we still have to defend 156 combos to the 3bet excluding the hands we are 4bet calling and bluffing in order to make Villain's 3bet 0EV. 54s may or may not fall into the 3bet call range because of it's postflop playability as I would rather call with lower suited hands rather than with lower pocket pairs because of their inability to improve. It really depends on how Villain plays postflop in 3bet pots on whether I'm substituting the lower pocket pairs with other suited gappers etc.
Also, calling with lower suited connectors/gappers gives us the probability of having 2 live cards. It is sometimes tough calling with JTs-T9s because we're going to face domination issues in specific 3bet scenarios.
zinom1 The shove on the Turn is very interesting. If Villain's 3bet range is ~10-11% the hands we would be able to get value from are: AA, 99 (let's keep those in since he can slowplay top and middle set), A9s, A7s, AxKd and [maybe] AxQd (16 combos). The hands we lose to are KQdd, KJdd, QJdd, JTdd, T9dd, 98dd, 76dd (7 combos).
Hero risks $60 to win $196 and should be good ~30%. Hero's equity against those ranges is 1 - (7/16) = ~56% so it should be a +EV shove.
Definitely an interesting spot here and I think Villain should've played more cautiously if he called the raise with hands that don't block flushes. With the low SPR it's tough folding a flush since Villain might be shoving with hands that require a lot of protection -- a lot would vary on player tendencies
Oct. 9, 2020 | 10:26 p.m.
In terms of bluffs I can thinking of Ah9x turned into a bluff since he has the 9blocker and the nut flush blocker. Yeah, tough to really say because I block the weaker flushes that would call preflop and continue on the flop.
Oct. 9, 2020 | 5:18 p.m.
Hey guys, I thought this was an interesting hand. Still not sure why the hand histories won't accept the Raw Hand Review. If you have any suggestions using PT4 on how to resolve the issue let me know.
BTN: 120 BB
SB: 100 BB VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 8 ~79 hands
BB: 121.9 BB
UTG: 122.4 BB
MP: 126.8 BB
Hero (CO): 255 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qh Jh
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold
I thought the flat pre was pretty strange especially coming from a tight SB who might have the potential to 3bet Linear here. I would assume SB was targeting a weak tight BB who isn't keen on 3betting. This would obviously cap SB's range since SB would be inclined to 3bet his strong hands since I would call a decent amount of the time given position. So let's say SB doesn't have (JJ+, ATs+, AQo+). Hand sample is too small to give a slightly more accurate 3bet range.
Flop : (6 BB, 2 players) 5s 9h 8h
SB checks, Hero bets 3.5 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB
This is a pretty good flop for my hand but isn't good for the nutted combos in my preflop range (JJ+). We both have the straights in our range and I believe SB has the sets as well -- again because of the weird flat I would weight it towards 55. The question is what would SB raise here? SB would possibly raise with AXhh, 76s, 55, 99, 88 and [possibly]98s. I'm not quite sure if this player type would raise overpairs. There aren't many KXhh combos SB would call with as well
Turn : (26 BB, 2 players) 4h
SB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB
I think calling the turn bet was the best option here because we have position for the next street. I wasn't sure if raising was a good idea here because I would've loved protection from the board pairing but I also wanted to avoid a flush over flush scenario. Currently there are 6 combinations of nut flushes (discounted AKs) vs 9 combinations of sets and 4 combinations of straights which I both beat. Please let me know what you think about raising the turn here.
River : (52 BB, 2 players) 9c
SB bets 74.5 BB and is all-in, fold
This seemed like a great card for Villains range because it puts my hand in a tough spot where I lose to all Villain's 98s, 88, 55
Thanks for the read. Let me know your thoughts!
Oct. 8, 2020 | 12:27 a.m.
An update to my progress:
I haven't been playing well lately. I'm not used how fast paced NLz is. It's troubling because I'm lost a decent chunk of my bankroll through the week and I'm on a 20BI downswing in the week.
What I've noticed is that a lot of the regulars at these tables only raise with strong made hands. I'll have to start folding even top pairs on dry boards and consider folding overpairs in a scenario where I face a raise and a second/third barrel -- this strategy will be used mostly against the players with the reg-ish stats.
I'm not going to let this downswing [mostly due to bad play] put me down. I'm gonna work on the overcalling and hand attachment leaks I have and start folding made hands that appear to be strong on the flop but are made weak on the turn and even more on the river. What it appears to me is at 10NLz and most of the micros, aside from making the most money from fish, I'll be making the most money from making big folds.
Oct. 4, 2020 | 5:49 p.m.
Thanks for the insight. I'll try to use implement this procedurally heuristic thinking. I have a hard time simplifying hands which gives me somewhat of a mental block when making decisions.
I guess I disregarded most hands that the Maniac will be barreling but what I forgot was to consider the nature of the NIT
Oct. 3, 2020 | 5:55 p.m.
I see, it appears that your logic towards the larger betsize for the river can be an extremely exploitative one.
Makes sense to re-raise here with the nutted portion of our range. Just watched a video that covered a decent portion about range advantage and SPR which I'll have to learn how to implement. What I learned was that on specific boards, there are some hands that have trouble stacking off - when the SPR is high - even though they are perceived to be strong hands -- ie. 2pair, sets, overpairs, on low-medium connected boards -- because of how the equities can change throughout the streets. This has been a huge leak in my game because I've been used to stacking off with 2nd or 3rd set even on scary turns that complete a lot of draws.
Oct. 3, 2020 | 2:13 a.m.
Interesting. I guess adding hands that completely whiff the flop here will be a great addition to the checkback range balanced with some premium overpairs QQ+ (a portion of the time) and some broadways that have showdown value. I like this because I never thought about the equity distribution MW since I've mostly been focusing on HU flop scenarios.
Yes, it's tough to fold out overpairs here since they're the hands I'll be getting value from
Oct. 3, 2020 | 2:05 a.m.
I'm currently working on visualizing ranges and I would like to get your inputs on my line of thinking. If there's anything you can help me improve on I would love to hear about it.
BTN: 137.7 BB
SB: 97.7 BB
BB: 173.9 BB Vpip 24/PFR 14/3B 0 ~21 hands
Hero (UTG): 186.7 BB
MP: 200.2 BB
CO: 121.2 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As 2s
Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB
Flop : (7.5 BB, 3 players) 2h 3d 2c
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 8 BB, fold
I thought about range betting on the flop because of how this board still allows me to retain my equity advantage. I felt like their ranges were very capped given that 99-JJ isn't in their range since BB had a good chance to squeeze with all his medium-strong PP's, AJs-AKs, AQo-AKo against my EP open. Based on how BB's stats are forming [even with the small sample] he's looking to be on the more passive side preflop. When he raised, I thought he could've been raising a few hands here like 33, 54s, and now small to medium PP 55-TT that want to gain FE from overcards which is a good portion of my range. I'm not too sure if raising here was a good play because If I call the raise this contracts my range to A2s, 33, 99+, which puts him in a tough spot if called since he's playing OOP in the next street
Turn : (29.5 BB, 2 players) 5h
BB bets 22.1 BB, Hero calls 22.1 BB
When Villain barrels the Turn with this big sizing it looked like a bet that wanted either a lot of protection or a boat that was flopped or completed on the turn. Villain also could have 66-TT which I beat. I felt like playing the Turn cautiously because of Villain's line but I also might've gotten a lot of value from overpairs by shoving
River : (73.7 BB, 2 players) Th
BB checks, Hero bets 22 BB, BB calls 22 BB
This board seems like a board that wasn't dynamic at all which didn't allow it to change the nut advantage as much. I mean, TT completes but I think Villain would've bet a boat here since he wouldn't want to miss out on value if I check. Could he be trapping?
Now what hands would I have here that would bet river: A2s, TT+, I don't think I have a lot of bluffs here.
What hands do I think Villain can have: 66-99
I thought betting out 22% pot was a great way to get value out of those hands since a T isn't really a scare card for Villain unlike an A which I could've been floating withe
Oct. 2, 2020 | 1:45 p.m.
Definitely, will do my best to consistently meditate. Started yesterday and I'm going to make it a pre-game routine after working out. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this will affect me but it's too short to tell right now. I'll be updating this thread in the near future with the concept of meditation in mind.
Oct. 2, 2020 | 1:03 p.m.
I used to play regular NL before NLz and did pretty well but I noticed how the fast play affects my decisions because there are more decisions to make in an hour in NLz vs NL. I guess I'm not used to the volume of hands. Another thing that tilts me is when I'm running bad and when I don't hit various boards even with good preflop hands. It seems like an entitlement issue that I have to work on.
One thing that I've gotten better at is not bluffing off my entire stack which I worked on before I transitioned into Zoom. The reason why I transitioned into Zoom is because I really like how tough the opponents are which will allow me to get into tougher situations with them.
I played a session last night and learned that I'll be better off 1 tabling Zoom before I start multitabling. This will help me get used to the increased amount of decisions before I start multitabling once more.
The biggest problem I have at the moment is hand attachment. What's strange was I would make extremely big folds when playing regular NL until I transitions into Zoom. Again, I think this comes from the fatigue of the faster paced games which I'll have to work on.
Oct. 2, 2020 | 1:01 p.m.
I'm a RIO essential member currently grinding the micros in order to get better and build a roll. I'm starting this journal because I was currently beating 5NL and made the transition to 10NLz but hit a massive 9 BI downswing -- the thing is, I have a decent grasp on a lot of theory [which is very far from great] but I tilt like crazy. I'm starting this journal because I think this will help keep me accountable and responsible for my poker practices and my mental game issues. Posting on these forums will be a big step for me since I've always been a lone wolf in life and a lone grinder in poker.
I'm 24-years-old and currently working a full-time job but have learned to love this game. Just like many people who pursue poker I've playing with friends when I was younger and always ended up winning -- playing outside of the teenage home game. What ultimately attracts me to this field is the level of competitiveness, logical analysis, emotional control, and flexibility.
Long term goals:
Become a professional poker player -- preferably online for the flexibility
Have the bankroll to play 25NLz
Short term procedures/goals:
I noticed that I start to tilt 45mins-1hour in game so I'll start with 30min sessions of 2 tabling 10NLz with a minimum break of 30mins in between sessions and I'll inchworm my way to longer sessions.
12k hands per week and work my way up to more hands.
Post at least 3 posts on the forums per week -- ie. hand histories, theory, general questions
Work on visualizing ranges and range construction (3b/c, 4b/c, 4b/f) which will allow me to understand postflop plays more. Part of my tilt is that I forget these and play with lizard brain mode clicking buttons and only playing my hand but not my range
Read one chapter of the Mental Game of Poker a week will read chapter 2 next week. This is my second time going through the book and will have to consistently go through the book multiple times if that will help instill the theories in my memory.
Study, workout, and meditate before my weeknight and weekend day sessions.
Update this thread once or twice a week.
If any of you have suggestions about improvements on either the technical or mental side and even suggestions about how I can help build a more efficient goalsetting method then I'm all ears.
Oct. 1, 2020 | 8:15 p.m.
I really like number 1 and I'm going to try it. It would be good to see how I'm doing maybe after a week but I believe number 1 will help when I get winner's tilt or when I get scared to lose some of my sessions winnings which will force me to play tighter and fold a lot more than I should.
I'm not at the stakes where I can afford PIO (I play 10NLz) but I've been doing a lot of preflop work with flopzilla.
Currently re-reading and doing my best to slowly go through and implement Mental Game of Poker (I definitely need a ton of work on mental game)
Oct. 1, 2020 | 1:25 p.m.
I'm currently in the same situation where my downswing has worsened because I get attached to hands. After losing a buy-in I would normally feel my face heat up and start spewing more chips away.
Currently, I'm going to focus on recognizing this problem and either A. Stop playing and take a step back, or B. Play through it and learn how to return to the optimal state of mind. If I'm able to do the latter then tilting because my Aces get cracked wouldn't be much of a problem. The worst thing about this tilt is I start playing trashy hands from various positions like 22-44, KTo, etc in EP and I stop 3betting and start flatting more calls and cold calling more 3bets even though my normal self would know this is a fold
Essentially I would suggest trying to catch it IN THE MOMENT and figure out what is tilting you and work from there.
Sept. 30, 2020 | 5:33 p.m.
Interesting spot here because BU flats the open and flats the 3b.
I think our range here (depending on how much FE we have) is a Polar strategy since we're gonna be squeezing pretty wide here in the BB with a decent calling range as well.
On the flop it looks like this board hits his range a lot -- JJ, 99, J9s and possibly a lot of suited Aces and the problem is we also unblock a lot of Villain's gutshot + FD heart combinations like KhQx. I like this play because this board favors the IP caller because of our polarity and the boards connectedness
Sept. 30, 2020 | 4:56 p.m.
This is my first time posting on this forum. I've got a hand that represents a lot of my hands where I spew away chips and hopefully I'll be able to understand what I can work on and theory I can practice.
BTN: 200.6 BB vpip: 18, pfr, 7, 3b: 0, F3B: 50 ~27 hands
Hero (SB): 162.8 BB
BB: 123.4 BB
UTG: 84.8 BB
MP: 346.4 BB vpip: 64, pfr, 40, 3b: 11, F3B: 0 ~27 hands
CO: 84.1 BB
Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ad Ah
fold, MP raises to 3.7 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.7 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, MP calls 12.3 BB, BTN calls 12.3 BB
Flop : (49 BB, 3 players) 3h 3d 7c
Hero checks, MP bets 32.8 BB, BTN calls 32.8 BB, Hero calls 32.8 BB
My thought process here was that there aren't many 3's in their calling range aside from A3s which I block. MP will be betting VERY wide here as his stats will look a lot like a maniac and BU will be calling with any overpair or possible hands like AQs or AKs with a BDFD which should've 4bet anyway. My only concern is 77 which the BU may be cold calling when faced with decent pot odds to set mine.
Turn : (147.4 BB, 3 players) 4c
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks
Turn looks like a solid brick and MP bets out with his extremely wide range again. I never really thought about raising here because I wanted to keep the maniac in. It appears that BU's range is heavily weighted towards overpairs and (possibly sets -- what're your thoughts?)
River : (147.4 BB, 3 players) Qc
Hero checks, MP bets 72.2 BB, BTN raises to 151.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 114 BB and is all-in, fold
I find this a very strange play. BU can't have KK and QQ because maybe he would 4bet it preflop or try to get it in. I'm leaning towards 77 or 44 here because 99-JJ might only want to flat. This is where I'm concerned. When we're playing this deep I tend to forget how much tighter I should be calling off a shove. This is the spot where I spew a ton of chips because of my strong holdings. It's like I know in my gut I'm beat but I still call the shove anyway.
BTN shows 3s 3c (Four of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 19%, Flop 99.9%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows Ad Ah (Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 81%, Flop 0.1%, Turn 0%)
BTN wins 425.3 BB
Let me know your thoughts on how I can improve. I don't normally post but I guess downswings make you do things out of the ordinary lol. Thanks in advance
Sept. 30, 2020 | 2:31 p.m.
H2: I might think Hero will have some made lower flushes here with combo draws such as 65s and 98s here and maybe T9s (less likely because it's normally dominated facing a call). What are your thoughts on the medium SCs here?
I do agree that hero won't have many KdXd but some offsuit broadways are possible like KdQx etc.
Sept. 22, 2020 | 10:17 p.m.
The thing about his hand is he blocks a lot of your 4bet bluffs (KQo, AKo) unless you're 4betting AQo/AQs IP against a BB squeezer. The large 4bet can also mean you're trying to get 200+bb all in preflop but I can't see even QQ and AK do that -- he also blocks KK