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jalmarilee

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I've thought about this and am probably wrong lol. But 1 thing is when you block the straight draw you are less likely to get raised off your pair by the high freq bluff raises. Also if called you are likely behind and its you have more potential barrell cards on turns. The better kicker 2nd pairs are better valuebets in the game tree after multiple checks because you can get called by worse 2nd pair for on river. This makes sense to me in some situations but the ranges here are so wide i cant make sense of it. on some boards pio will eg bet top pair unblocking draws that call or raise to get value from worse more often but then check stronger top pairs blocking the draws so it can call overbts on turn vs a weaker range. Then it will do the opposite with middle pairs that may need to turn into a combo draw bluff etc. In some cases these kind of arguments make sense but in this exact case I can't figure it out. Hopefully someone knows.

June 16, 2018 | 8:10 p.m.

Comment | jalmarilee commented on AA on wet board

Yea just shove river. You basically put yourself in a reverse freeroll

April 19, 2018 | 11:55 a.m.

At 10 nl I used to bet half to 65% on flops like this to clean up some high card outs and bluff outs. Also gotta think if you have JJ Or QQ and you wanna get a little more money in early before a bad card hits for your hand or a scare card which kills your value. In position I would either check back the turn trying to pot control and induce a bluff or get a lighter call down from pp thinking you would've bet your ace to get value from fd.

Your turn small sizing definitely induced him to spew and I would say if you had bet larger on the turn and he donked it would be a clear fold as he would always have jts. These river donks at micros are literally almost always always rivered flushes and straights. In some fashion I like your call more than an AJ or AQ call because of the T Blockeure

April 19, 2018 | 2:36 a.m.

like already stated squeeze to 72cents at a minimum so they cant profitably set mine. Once he hits you with the check minraise id think his range could be any two because people at nl5 think less than half pot cbets are weak. Also you could just jam over that check minraise and dare him to call a AJ or a fd. . As played On the turn I would probably just jam once checked to without A of hearts because he will still call with any pair+heart and he would've jammed sets on the flop. On the river you will only get a call if you are beat and if a heart rolls off he has a profitable bluff with any 2 and will realize his equity for free.

Would you have jammed the river or called the river on a blank?

April 11, 2018 | 1:30 p.m.

I was about to say hes not floating T7 or 88 twice and that at 5nl this is QT 99% of the time, but looking at his stats he could be donking a missed fd two pair or set of 33 or a complete airball lol. Although if he donked alot larger shoved I would still fold.

I think flop sizing is ok but turn should bet could be between 60 and a dollar.

April 11, 2018 | 12:58 p.m.

I think its a fold at these stakes vs average villain. I used to level myself in these spots and burn through stacks thinking I had to call kings and queens to prevent people from bluffing me in this spot but its better to just check AA and AK-AQ with A of spades OTT if you are squeezing QQ+ and AQ+ in this situation. Now you will have 12 combos folding and 11 calling which makes an any two card bluff indifferent.

Next time I think villains stats would be useful because we need to know his opening % 4bet and fold to 3bet at a minimum to deduce the possibility of bluffs etc. With reads and your own notes or pt notes this could be a trivial call tho as your large cbet will have cleared most Ax from villains range and some will bluff jam any pp or draw hoping you will fold all your JJ-KK Or discount you having an ace after you check and jam worse pairs for protection, but the probability of this happening depends heavily on the range they get to this spot with. Against some really tight players in the nl10z pool I would bluff jam tens here thinking they are folding 12 combos of JJ-QQ and only have 2 combos of AQ and AK spades they can call with, it all depends on villain...

April 11, 2018 | 12:37 p.m.

Holy HUD BATMAN. Nice video but if you are going to have more than 3 tables could you please reference the tables by number. It was a split second effort trying to find the table you were talking about.

April 8, 2018 | 6:05 p.m.

I think cutoff is relatively capped to 1 pair or overpair at best because he could be checking that flop vs your range which has higher concentration of sets but after you checkback turn he checks so at best he has a pot controlled overpair. You yourself probably aren't valuebetting 1 pair and could be stabbing flop with a lot of backdoor stuff so sizing seems fine. You could overbetbet straights and flushes and bet 2pairs around 2/3 but at nl 25 I think you make more money in this situation by betting with a normal sizing vs a nit and larger vs suspicious regs that automatically assume you are bluffing if you overbet. The fact that you checked back turn could make him think you are less likely to have a flush and are trying to buy the pot which could help you getting value with your overbet.

would like to hear someone more experienced input tho.

April 8, 2018 | 1:55 p.m.

+1 Unless you have a read that villain overplays tptk I I think just fold flop and don't tell anyone?

April 7, 2018 | 4:41 p.m.

TBH In my opinion you can easily make it far enough in the micros without using solvers by just plugging mental leaks and not spewing making it to nl50zoom by which time you could grind for 10 days and buy pio then grind for another 10 and get coaching. I don't want to discourage people from the best forms of study even at earlier stages but I feel at the micros the leaks are obvious enough you can progress relatively easily by just posting hands and discussing poker with anyone who plays a few limits higher.

April 7, 2018 | 4:32 p.m.

This video is one of the best! Would definitely love to see one of these 3 scenarios.

  1. We open early position get cold called by mp or button. Board comes dicey AF (overpairs are checked frequently). We check and he triple barrels. What hands should we be calling turn with, what is our weakest bluffcatcher vs 3 barrels and what is our #1 slowplay to protect vs getting relentlessly 3barrelled off of overpairs.

  2. in position vs bb. Decent ev board but one we can't cbet 100%. We check back flop and get barreled twice. What are we folding and what is our weakest bluffcatcher we are calling and weakest value raise (eg 2pair spiked on turn or riv).

  3. same as #2 except we check face a bet on the turn and then a check on the river. What marginal value hands do we need to bet for value to balance the hands that we have to turn into bluffs or the bluffs that were backdoor draws on the flop(but weren't bet), got equity on the turn and bricked the river.

Just some of my ideas but anything you think is a spot that happens often will be great i'm sure!

April 7, 2018 | 2:19 a.m.

Villain plays 5nl. The pool is so huge you will never get enough data on regs to not err on the side of caution. Vllain is just trying to get a 160bb donation from someone who can't fold top pair, congrats OP on not being that guy! Once at 50nl with AQ with gutter to go with your pair and not blocking fd this is so much of an easier call because avg player wont be flatting 22 55 in the sb and will 3bet QQ more often and play draws more aggressively so your equity will probably go from 5%at 5nl to 25-40 at higher stakes in this situation.

April 7, 2018 | 1:07 a.m.

At the micros the avg person usually check calls check calls and then donks made flushes unless they have a monster draw and have like A4 or 46 of spdes. also the checkraise is 4.5x which is larger than your average checkraise and the avg micro player should be afraid of you just shoving AA and AQ and losing their flush outs. Most often you will see a set or AQ afraid of flush hitting. TBH at 5nl an argument could be made to fold flop and not tell anybody LOL

April 7, 2018 | 12:52 a.m.

Honestly I would start with all the paul atwall and iaian salter vids then start watching cameron couch dekkers, steve paul. Also peter clarke ¨CARROTERS¨ joined rio and hes really good so make sure you on the lookout for his new content as well. Happy hunting. If you have a specific thing you wanna work on check out learning paths, otherwise you can learn a lot from just watching the live play while actively thining about the plays betsizes and ranges you would use and compare to what they are doing.

Peace

April 7, 2018 | 12:36 a.m.

Hey nice video would definitely like to see live play videos preferably at 50nl but 25-100 all good too, with some of the 2-4 toughest spots analysed in pio where you go through your own hand and how your play was good or bad theoretically/ exploitatively and quickly show some of the other combos of value bet/overbet candidates as well as bluff candidates for that turns and rivers of those hands.

Feb. 20, 2018 | 2 a.m.

WTF MATE. I see theres 3 extra seats. What is this strange game?????

Feb. 13, 2018 | 1:43 a.m.

from my experience I wold counter this by raising the flop in a fishy way to see where im at. If he calls I would assume a draw and check call the following barrels. if he 3 bets i would assume he was inducing a raise with flopped trips. Anyway as the hand played out I really expect him to have the nuts or QJ afraid of the flush draws. Im curious what did he end up showing up with? if he had hearts you should note this and be able to extract max value in the future against his bluffs. I have a few players I love to play against who take this line and i calll them with any pair OTR

Jan. 30, 2018 | 6:58 p.m.

At 2:31 you folded A9d on J76d stating that you didn't want to find yourself bluffing against a recreational player. Would you think you had enough equity to peel with a gutshot and backdoor flush draw like 9Td or would you check raise it vs a weaker player. I often find myself burning money floating in position and out when I have massive bd potential only to bluff off my stack to someone that calls down lite!

Jan. 23, 2018 | 8:02 p.m.

So let me guess. You were up against AK and 99 or 88? I actually believe this is a better call or shove multiway. Because even if they are both setted you have the same amount of outs unless one of them has AQd. And with you shoving the bb doesn't even have the odds to call against your shoving range with the nutflush draw.The king of diamonds decreases the chances of your fd being dominated by like half. If the Ace of diamonds was there instead of the king this would be a lot higher but I think you were correct in shoving because the bb should only call sets here imo.

Jan. 23, 2018 | 1:34 a.m.

Im sorry i didn't realize this was a 3bet pot. Like ATH said 3 combos of QQ and sad to say with that small 3bet sizing he is likely to set mine 9s (and 2s if he opens them utg) so after the turn barrel with you holding the king of hearts he is not folding anything but the AQhearts and possibly pocket Ts if he got there like that. Lets say he has half of KK and AA combos thats 4.5 combos and 3 AJs combos 3 99 combos 3 QQ combos and like half 1.5 22 combos thats like 14 combos hes not folding and then optimistically 7 combos in his folding range. Pessimistically 1 combo in his folding range if he's fishy and puts u on AK like a hopeful little fishy lol.

Jan. 16, 2018 | 4:21 a.m.

Yea i mean some players I have marked in purple as spewy aggro and i'll call them down light some I have marked as solid reg and if they pot the flop and I have a certain read I'll fold AJ on A25rainbow unless I have a backdoor flush. Super easy to exploit but unless I have reads I play tight and with reads I play accordingly it's working way better. I save mental energy and don't tilt at all. When Im in pots postflop I hum to myself dont call dont bluff over and over again. Some I have marked as thinking player and them I might bluff raise all in on the riv with blockers. I started having different bet sizes for different color coded peeps and all. Also without reads my 4 bet sizing is dependent on country the players from lol.

Jan. 16, 2018 | 4:04 a.m.

It's about 50k hands of standard like play and now 20k hands of nitfish on the co/button and aggrolag in the blinds. It's going well now and if I was results oriented I' be happy. I just feel like my game is getting worse somehow although I'm doing better. You are right it could be variance but what I really mean is making what most would consider the right play seems to be extremely -ev. As a standard I can't understand why trying to play "correctly" and sizing my 4 bets in standard ways and having a fold to 3bet of 60-70% was torching my bankroll. Like calling double barrells vs cutoff opens in the bb with AJs on dry A high boards because i didn't want to overfold. As far as the hand examples I mentioned is that these guys could have anything from deuces to A8off to AA so unless I am inducing with AA or KK and don't mind getting flatted, set mined or outdrawn standard fourbet sizing and defending against 3bets did not work too good. Since adopting my nitfish overfolding and beating up the bullys with huge 4bets ridicoulously unbalanced frequencies I've had some pretty decent results. This is just my limited experience and It seems fairly unreasonable which is why I'd like to hear other peoples experiences and feelings, adjustments, so on they had to make. Of course the bigger the sample the more trustworthy the info but any experiences and so on will be appreciated.

Jan. 16, 2018 | 2:24 a.m.

Dude at 10nl these guys are never folding jx+. And to get them off of 9x you need to overbet shove the river. If the board was a little different with a flush draw on the flop and your KQ doesn't block the flush draw a pot sized bet will work. Less than pot they will call with A high fd on the river just because they're greedy fishy minds will lull them into thinking you were barrelling a smaller flush draw and hero call you thinking they are boss.
I was once called by KT high when I had KJ and triple barrelled a flush chasing fish. Talk about a value bluff lol

Jan. 16, 2018 | 12:48 a.m.

So I've looked at my Pt4 stats and noticed I basically make 30-45 bb/100 in the bb and sb respectively and lose 28bb/ on the burtton and cutoff. All my profit comes from 3betting sb and bb and cold 4 betting loose sb 3bets. im spewing the most in button and cutoff because im getting all in with jj qq and AK vs people who 3 bet like 17% but somehow always have AA or KK when they 3bet me. Essentially I've had to stop calling opens in the button and cutoff with even hands like 88-TT because people are 3 betting any ace and im unable to get to showdown in one piece on A high boards. lol these guys are flatting my 4 bets with A8 off and smoking my KK all day. In the BB my winrate goes up the less hands I play and emulating anything I see or read about BB defense just really doesn't seem to apply at these stakes.

id like to hear from anyone who has recently went from 10nl zoom to 16-25 on how they adjusted to the aggression. I already feel like a nit and feel like my new strategy of folding even JJ on the button vs 3 bet and 4 betting non standard size like 2.8x with all A and K blocker hands and KQ (which has been working in the last 3 sessions) should't be the answer, but as far as making money is concerned I've had to adopt that strategy. IDK I'm worried that I'm too results oriented but my bankroll can't afford calling 3 bets in position with QJs and AQs only to get stacked every time I hit top pair or lose half my stack calling with pair +FD against overpairs.

So thanks for listening to the ramble. Just like to hear from anyone who has had similar problems and how they overcame them.

Jan. 16, 2018 | 12:37 a.m.

Sry I forgot to meantion the squeeze monkey in the blind why I went for the trap. So what sizing would you 4bet at these stack depths?
And would you essentially just be setting up stacks for a river shove.
Something like 4 bet to 3.3-3.5x and half pot 3/4pot and shove the river?

Jan. 14, 2018 | 6:42 p.m.

Post | jalmarilee posted in NLHE: Retarded Pot control?

Here's a hand I believe I botched due to being a little scared money and playing underrolled.
Id like to hear some input on checking the turn to induce bluffs or light value bets. Also whether I should raise the river bet and if so how much and should I fold to a shove IF 3 bet all in.

BTN: 115.25 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 19.17, 3Bet Preflop: 17.65, Hands: 124)
SB: 301.19 BB (VPIP: 21.50, PFR: 16.57, 3Bet Preflop: 3.16, Hands: 683)
BB: 350.38 BB (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 26.19, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 44)
UTG: 104.94 BB (VPIP: 19.50, PFR: 16.69, 3Bet Preflop: 7.44, Hands: 874)
MP: 142.31 BB (VPIP: 28.79, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 66)
Hero (CO): 270.13 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Ad
UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 25 BB, SB calls 13 BB

Flop : (53.5 BB, 2 players) 7d 3s Qc
SB checks, Hero bets 17.38 BB, SB calls 17.38 BB

Turn : (88.25 BB, 2 players) 9s
SB checks, Hero checks

River : (88.25 BB, 2 players) 5h
SB bets 40 BB, Hero calls 40 BB

SB shows Kc Ks (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows Ac Ad (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)

Hero wins 160.69 BB

Jan. 14, 2018 | 5:02 p.m.

Hi. Villain is a pretty aggressive that has been getting increasingly suspicious of my 3/4bets. I have caught him turning middle pair into a bluff on the river, shoving over a 55% pot bet by me on the river in a 4 bet pot. That time he had a OESD with the pair of 9s and the board was like QsJhTsQc5c. That time i bet really small OTT because the hand started with a 3 bet and 3 calls after which I 4 bet huge because we were deep.
OTR I had quads so wasn't really tripping.

In this hand I feel like I completely botched the river. Somehow I knew he either had a set KQ or complete air but because of history and his aggressiveness I check called the river when I think I should've bet small and folded to a raise or just X/F.
Thinking clearly I see his most probable range OTT as KQ or sets because I double block AK.
Id jus't like some input on how some of you would've played this hand different.

PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 122.94 BB (VPIP: 28.10, PFR: 25.62, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 122)
Hero (SB): 335.75 BB
BB: 118.81 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 136.19 BB (VPIP: 26.07, PFR: 21.01, 3Bet Preflop: 13.27, Hands: 267)
MP: 184.56 BB (VPIP: 19.79, PFR: 15.89, 3Bet Preflop: 5.16, Hands: 393)
CO: 126.88 BB (VPIP: 24.70, PFR: 19.43, 3Bet Preflop: 12.12, Hands: 255)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ah
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN calls 7 BB

Flop : (21 BB, 2 players) Ks 4s 2c
Hero bets 6.81 BB, BTN calls 6.81 BB

Turn : (34.63 BB, 2 players) 8c
Hero bets 17.19 BB, BTN calls 17.19 BB

River : (69 BB, 2 players) Qs
Hero checks, BTN bets 45 BB, Hero calls 45 BB

BTN shows Kd Qd (Two Pair, Kings and Queens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 18%, Turn 11%)

Hero mucks As Ah (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 82%, Turn 89%)

BTN wins 151.88 BB

Thanks guys

Jan. 14, 2018 | 4:54 p.m.

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