Yea not really clear i agree haha
I guess we have more disadvantage OTT if we cbet like 50% OTF with the locked range than if we check range flop, not sure about that but seems logic
And then the GTO strat will have to check more OTT if we have a cbet strat OTF because of that
But we could be betting more OTT because in reality vilain is not gonna play as aggressively his advantage as he should, in the exact same manner as what you just did for the flop here
That's what i meant, i hope it's more clear like this
i'm talking about the Pio strategy and tree OTT (and OTR) when we do have an exploitative cbet strategies and range locked OTF, maybe that was the part missing to make it more clear what i'm talking about
Feb. 9, 2017 | 4:55 p.m.
Yo zach, great video thanks !
I'm thinking about something,
maybe this results are still a bit incomplete because of later street
I mean GTO-wise we apparantly should check a lot OTF because of disadvantage, and even with vilain's strategy and our strategy locked on the flop, these same disadvantages are still going to get carried OTT and then OTT we will have to check nearly range or face a lot of raise again (i guess) from the GTO strategy given the ranges
But again the player in reality will not be as aware of that and will not play as well his advantage OTT (in the exact same way of what you just did here for vilain OTF)
Basically what i'm saying is that the same situation that we had OTF is gonna reappear OTT, and then if we would actually locked all strategies for later street as vilain would play and not as GTO with perfect clairvoyance is going to play, we would be able to bet way more (as opposed to what i would expect to be a lot of checking strategy OTT for OOP) on later streets
And these changes i think will also make betting more OTF better
What do you think about that ?
Feb. 8, 2017 | 4:12 p.m.
When you compare the EV of the strategies "here OOP loose 2.8 bb/hand which is 28bb/100"
Just want to make sure i'm not understanding something wrong, the sentence above is wrong and if OOP is losing 2.8bb/hand he's losing 280bb/100 right ?
Jan. 20, 2017 | 8:12 a.m.
Great video thanks !
When we use a 1/3 pot range cbet strat on the flop (with a good equity and nut advantage obv) and get raise, how should we defend against that ? seems hard to defend correctly since we are cbeting our entire range, we should devellop a decently wide reraising range right ?
Dec. 20, 2016 | 10:36 a.m.
[b]partypoker - €2.00 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players[/b]
[i][url=http://www.pokertracker.com]Hand converted by PokerTracker 4[/url][/i]
[b]Hero (BB): 104.5 BB[/b]
UTG: 162.28 BB (VPIP: 20.19, PFR: 15.84, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 335)
CO: 123.48 BB (VPIP: 22.80, PFR: 19.52, 3Bet Preflop: 5.67, Hands: 1,521)
BTN: 151.18 BB (VPIP: 19.25, PFR: 14.36, 3Bet Preflop: 5.48, Hands: 1,938)
SB: 95 BB (VPIP: 44.35, PFR: 1.74, 3Bet Preflop: 2.22, Hands: 116)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, [b]Hero[/b] posts BB 1 BB
[b]Pre Flop:[/b] [i](pot: 1.5 BB)[/i] [b]Hero[/b] has A:club: 5:club:
[color=red]UTG raises to 3 BB[/color], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [b]Hero[/b] calls 2 BB
[b]Flop:[/b] [i](6.5 BB, 2 players)[/i] 6:spade: Q:club: 6:club:
[b]Hero[/b] checks, [color=red]UTG bets 3.5 BB[/color], [b]Hero[/b] calls 3.5 BB
[b]Turn:[/b] [i](13.5 BB, 2 players)[/i] 4:spade:
[b]Hero[/b] checks, [color=red]UTG bets 7.5 BB[/color], [color=red][b]Hero[/b] raises to 25 BB[/color], [i]fold[/i]
[b]Hero[/b] wins 44.1 BB
Vilain reg no more infos
First OTF i would do a decent bit of raising as we have more 6x and probably ppl will overcbet this board, so raising prob all my 6x and a decent amount of bluffs, some FDs, Acx that can't call and other backdoors like 8s7s
I thnk we want to call the NFD more than raise it on the flop as we will mostly be able to continue OTT and we have a bit of SDV, so would raise a few lower flushdraw like 7c5c or 8c7c, you guys agree ?
OTT i'm wondering if we should raise nearly all of our FDs, or just raise NFD and call Qcxc for example, or the opposite raise or other flushdraw but call the NFD
On one hand we have more showdown value with the NFD and we will win the pot sometimes when he gives up his bluffs OTR, but on the other hand we have more value when we hit with the NFD and if we raise Qx flushdraw we're gonna always value cut when vilain has the NFD and that kinda hurts
So really not sure about that, would like to have you guys advice on which FD to raise and which to call on those kind of spots
Oct. 19, 2016 | 2:23 a.m.
partypoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
UTG: 108.4 BB (VPIP: 47.19, PFR: 1.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 91)
CO: 157.12 BB (VPIP: 22.60, PFR: 15.99, 3Bet Preflop: 4.29, Hands: 26,069)
BTN: 124.6 BB (VPIP: 41.32, PFR: 9.33, 3Bet Preflop: 5.97, Hands: 871)
SB: 108.2 BB (VPIP: 21.87, PFR: 15.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 3,338)
Hero (BB): 156.16 BB
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6s 6h
UTG calls 1 BB, CO raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, UTG calls 3 BB
Flop : (12.4 BB, 3 players) 3s 9d 6c
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 8.68 BB, Hero calls 8.68 BB, fold
Turn : (29.76 BB, 2 players) 5s
Vilain 23/16 on 10k hands, 65Cbet flop 61Cbet turn
Limper is a fish 48/2
Quite good flop for us OTF already, if it were more drawy i would probably devellop a leading range as well but with no flushdraw i guess we can just check always
Turn, i think we have a quite big range advantage, all of our nuts just call flop, our main draw just got there, vilain's cbeting range might still be decently wide even doe there was a loosish fish OTF, any of our pair wants protection, this is a great spot to devellop a leading range right ?
I'm not too familiar yet with those leading spots, when i see it i see most of the time smallish sizings to make us able to bet a lot for value/prot, that's the way to go ? 1/2 pot or 1/3 here ?
What hands should we lead here and what size should we chose ? that's my question
July 28, 2016 | 1:45 a.m.
SB: ACCOUNT: $39.57
BB: NitForSpeed: $100.00 (Hero)
UTG: alfouch83: $71.55
CO: hugobapt62: $158.09
Dec. 4, 2015 | 3:22 p.m.
Nov. 29, 2015 | 8:47 p.m.
Thx for detailed answer good stuff !
I think i actually still tend to overfold ince i'm usually defending like 10% less than 1-a, even on situations where i don't have a big range disadvantage
But i guess we still want to go a bit lower than 1-a on most cases right (not here though), i saw for example that snowie usually goes like a few % less than 1-a, do you agree with that ?
Nov. 28, 2015 | 11:32 a.m.
Nov. 27, 2015 | 11:24 a.m.
BB: $20.00 (Hero)
Rake is $0.48
Nov. 24, 2015 | 12:36 p.m.
Yea i mean there's alot of differents lines who makes sens on this board that's abit why i'm wondering so much about my ranges on this kind of spot
I'm still not sure if i want to c/c this hand here caus i like killing equity for cheap otf
Turn i'm still really not sure i guess we have way enough equity to call but really don't know
I don't think vilain is ever folding a pp ott though
Nov. 24, 2015 | 12:24 p.m.
Rake is $0.72
Nov. 24, 2015 | 8:47 a.m.
Rake is $0.37