0_Sum here with another HUSNG challenge. If you followed my last journal at all (HUSNG Challenge: to Hush the Haters), you’ll know that I went from 0-€100 starting out with a handful of .50 tickets in just two weeks, which I think pretty well fulfilled its purpose of proving the lowest buy-in microstakes games not only beatable but very profitable indeed!
In the same vein, I’m launching yet another HUSNG challenge, though this time it will be of a larger scope and with fewer restrictions. I really enjoyed the idea that even a few people were following along and felt good about posting my results through the ups and downs, so here I am for round two!
€99.87 to €500
To put in a lot of focused volume, ultimately building up a bankroll and a strategy sufficient to transition successfully from the micro to the low stakes.
I’m going to start out one-tabling the €3 tables. Contrary to my previous challenge, I will not restrict myself to reg speeds but will instead play both reg speeds (6-minute blind levels) and turbo (3-minute blind levels). Nor will I restrict myself to playing strictly NLHE this time around; I’ll definitely look to work in some PLO and PLO5 HU tourneys should the opportunity present itself, which it certainly will. Similar to the last challenge, I will refrain from playing hyper turbos (3-minute blind levels with 25BB starting stacks) and will stick to 75BB starting stacks.
Due to Winamax.fr being a relatively low-traffic site, even after the inclusion of Spanish and Portuguese player pools, there are actually quite a few solid, winning players starting at the €3’s and especially at the €5’s, which means I will need to be more conservative with my bankroll and potentially spend significant time studying their games instead of putting in mass volume. I will move up in stakes when I have 40 buy-ins of the next level up and move down when I have 30 buy-ins at that same level. This means that my decision to start out at the €3’s with only €100 is a risky one, and I will likely have to move down immediately provided that I don’t run really well from the git-go.
Because this one is going to take a while, I will plan to update every Wednesday and Sunday with graphs and selected hand reviews after my sessions.
The Time Limit
The challenge is over when I go busto or when there is at least €500 in my account, including any weekly bonuses I may receive. That said, I will try to put in a decent amount of volume each day (at least 20 tourneys) so as not to drag this out forever.
Wish me luck, and keep an eye out for my first update here within the next few days!
July 21, 2019 | 5:26 p.m.
Not trying to be a party pooper or anything, but I've noticed that you systematically use "this" instead of "these." "This" is singular (esto, esta) whereas "these" is plural (estos, estas). "This kind of thing" OR "these kinds of things," hehe: everything has to be parallel regarding number. "This" ( the 'i' is pronounced as in "it" or "shit") vs "these" (the 'e' is pronounced like the Spanish 'i' or the 'ee' in "cheese"). Anyway...
July 10, 2019 | 10:27 a.m.
Well, the feedback was that it was helpful, haha, but I don't really have any questions. It's just nice to see how you approach these spots off the table. Helps with my HUNL study, too. It's like Francesco's avatar: "Think Ahead!"
Looking forward to studying the "Facing Flop Bets" video.
July 5, 2019 | 1:28 p.m.
Yeah, it’s always nice to be reminded of fundamentals (healthy eating, sleeping, and exercise habits), especially from someone you look up to and believe when they say they’ve had increased performance due to putting those fundamentals into effect. Nice video.
July 5, 2019 | 12:31 a.m.
Update #7: Challenge Complete!
After 524 reg-speed HUNL SNG's and 14 days after the journal's first post, the challenge is complete! I've gone from $0 to $102 with a 9% ROI, playing mostly two tables and sometimes three.
Now, before I post the graphs, I have to say that I did run well above EV, but I don't necessarily understand how the gap between the two became so vast: most were all-in spots where I was a slight dog and ended up winning, especially towards the end.
Another thing, I kind of cheated in that I saw a very, very weak player who I had played many times before open-sitting the $10 tables. The guy has a -10% ROI at HUSNG's over a sample of a few thousand tourneys and normally plays the microstakes, so needless to say I bum hunted (which is an important "skill" in HU play, if you will) and was thrilled to have him rematch me. I took him for 4 buy-ins, which will be indicated by the vertiginous spike there at the end of the graph.
Overall, I was fairly happy with my play but still have a lot to learn and a ton of edge to squeak out of these games. I think it's perfectly feasible to achieve a 15% ROI two-tabling the micros, all the way up to the $5 games. The competition is just too weak overall to make the rake much of a concern. I will come back to this forum soon to post HH and specific observations, but until then here is the final graph.
June 27, 2019 | 12:52 p.m.
Check out my recent challenge “HUSNG Challenge: to Hush the Haters” in the poker forums. I actually just completed it today but haven’t posted the final results yet. It began two weeks ago and should give you a good idea of how much volume you could average at the microstakes when two-tabling. I live in France, so the pool is very small on the French sites (the challenge was exclusively played on Winamax), meaning you could get many more games at a well-trafficked site like ACR.
Take everything anyone says about HUSNG’s not being profitable with a shaker of salt. I finished my challenge with a 10% ROI after two-tabling 500 tournaments and paying 6% take: post coming tomorrow. If you can get rakeback, then these are very, very profitable.
June 26, 2019 | 9:38 p.m.
Update #6: 470 Tournaments Played
So close and yet so far!
I was within 5 buy-ins of completing the challenge as of yesterday, the 23rd, but today didn't go well. I suspect that I was playing desperately at times and with some brewing anxiety; I wasn't able to start grinding until much later than normal, and I wanted to complete the challenge so bad!
I began 3-tabling, which was a bad idea, and while I didn't play terribly, I certainly didn't play my A-game. My C-game coupled with a little run bad--and my bluffs being shown the top of Villain's range time and time again--meant a losing day and a waste of yesterday's hard work. I may have even tilted at the end of the session when I lost a ton of tournaments in a row with an intermittent win.
Luckily, I had run up enough not to have to drop back down to the $2 games, so I plan to recollect myself tomorrow, perhaps study some non-poker related material, clean my new apartment, and then settle in for a nice long grind after having watched some Peter Clarke, Viktor Larsson, and Nuno Alvarez live play videos.
Wednesday is my day off, so I'll be putting in the time tomorrow night and Wednesday evening. Let's do this!
June 24, 2019 | 8:12 p.m.
As for suggestions, I would love to see a video on delayed c-betting with a follow up on barreling the river (check back flop, bet turn, possibly barrel river) and delayed-delayed c-betting (check back flop and turn, bet river).
I don't know if these make up a big part of your strategy, but me personally, I'm a microstakes HUSNG grinder and knowing how to delay c-bet is just as important as knowing how to c-bet the flop well because the population doesn't probe-bluff enough and is therefore heavily weighted towards a weak range when they check twice in a raised pot. Shameless self-promotion: I'm currently doing a HUSNG challenge where I go from 0 to $100 starting with just a few .50 tickets. It's entitled HUSNG Challenge: to Hush the Haters. You can find it in the poker journals. I'm going to post hands and reflections on certain population tendencies there after the challenge and would LOVE to have your feedback on a few hands.
All my winnings each month go towards paying bills, so I couldn't dream of purchasing PIO (I can't wait for them to lower the price some day), so seeing you break it down with a solver would be a real treat!
I know there's a HU series by Vincent on delayed c-betting, and while it's food for thought, it's outdated and not very thorough.
Thanks, and congrats again on a good video!
June 22, 2019 | 10:14 a.m.
Update #4 & #5: 358 Tournaments Played
I hope everyone's doing well and enjoying the early summer months (if you live in the Northern Hemisphere, that is).
Here I am a week and a half into the challenge and things are going pretty well. I'm going to post two updates today since I've not had time lately. I've either been working or grinding!
I had another downswing at around the 300 tourney mark, but I'm coming out of it now. It was almost purely due to cooler spots that came all in a bunch: when it rains, it pours!
Yesterday, I received a $10 bonus from the site for having played a big volume last week (they give out bonuses every Friday) and won 17 buy-ins, mostly at the $1 games, which combined gave me more than enough to take my second shot at the $2 games again. That went really well , and I'm currently up to a 60 euro roll, which means I can take my first shot at the $3 games! If things go well and I don't have to drop back down, I will only need to win 14 buy-ins at this level to complete the challenge!
I think I'll spend a day after the challenge sifting through my database to find hand themes and then post them accordingly as opposed to posting them intermittently. I'll also want some time to reflect upon how things went, what I observed, what I struggled with, etc., so posting hands at the same time should help with that process.
Until the next update, take care!
June 22, 2019 | 9:49 a.m.
Update #3: 208 Tournaments Played
Hey-o everyone. A quick update of the challenge thus far.
Things started out great. I was quickly at 40 euros, which means I was able to play the $2 games in accordance with the bankroll management rules I laid out in the first post, but I immediately lost all 5 of the allotted buy-ins at that stake and continued to lose 4 more once I dropped back down to the $1's. It's funny because I was playing against the same people there and had no tilt or distraction issues, but variance is a beast. Since then, I've basically stagnated for the last 60 tournaments or so, despite my adjusted EV sporting a nice upward curve. Nothing special, just grinding it out!
I have to admit that I'm very proud of my non-existent tilt issues throughout the challenge so far and really feel that this is helping me hold myself more accountable than I may otherwise have done playing the micros, even if nobody is following along.
Hands to come at some point, I promise!
June 17, 2019 | 5:06 p.m.
Man, I really dislike the river check by hero and the river shove by OTB. Nuno is going to miss out on a ton of value by checking that river, especially against very good players whose defense frequencies are well balanced on that fairly dry run out. And the shove with the KJ should probably be sized down to get thin value rom 99, TT or AK with suit blockers and reserve the polar part of his range for boats, flushes and hands that can get value from AA, KK, AJ, two pair, etc. Nothing that KJ wants to fold is folding for a pot-sized bet there; I see no reason to turn it into a bluff. Of course if Nuno has a read that OTB is turning all of his marginal made hands into bluffs there in addition to his "normal" bluffing combos, then by all means, check away, but I doubt they've played against each other enough to have such a read.
June 16, 2019 | 12:45 p.m.
Update #2: 101 Tournaments Played
Here we are after having already moved up to the $1 games, and I'm still two-tabling. I received a $5 bonus from the site for the number of games I put in last week (Winamax's feeble rakeback system) and am definitely counting that as part of the challenge since it was generated by HUSNG play at the micros.
I've marked quite a few hands in game but haven't had time to sift through them yet, but it will be done shortly.
You can see that I'm running well above EV, which is nice, I guess; I never really know how to feel about it but ultimately don't heed it too much attention unless I know that I'm playing bad or being outplayed, neither of which is the case here. I've simply had some cooler situations that I came out on top of, mostly all-in preflop situations at middling stack depths, e.g. JJ vs KK and I bink a J on the turn. Nothing too crazy, and I know it will come back around sooner than later anyway: it always does.
Until next time!
June 15, 2019 | 10:21 a.m.
Update #1: 51 Tournaments Played
Ok, so I decided to go ahead and two-table the reg speeds. It's what I'm used to, and some of them go on forever, so I'll sacrifice a bit of ROI for the sake of time.
Here are the results thus far. Keep in mind that my first 10 tournaments were played using tickets, so I didn't lose anything when I lost and gained two buy-ins (minus rake) when I won, which explains why there's more money in my account than is indicated by the graph. The graph reflects my true results, however, because it treated the losses as normal losses and the wins as normal gains.
I'll try to have picked out some hands at various stack depths to post for feedback and review within 24 hours.
Until then, good "luck!"
June 13, 2019 | 6:43 p.m.
I’m launching a little HUSNG challenge and invite you to follow along!
I’m aware HU play in general is not the most popular these days, nor are SNG’s—especially not on this site. That said, I was shocked to see some of the recent posts in the SNG forum and feel that HUSNG's were grossly misrepresented by a couple of members.
They are a fun and exciting form of poker which allow you to hone your skills in a setting with very wide ranges. They do offer plenty of room for edge, despite the relatively high rake these days, and HU cash is still where the true end bosses battle it out at even the highest of stakes.
They are, and forever will be, my game of choice.
0 to €100, playing strictly HUNL SNG’s.
To assess the current state of microstakes HUNLHE SNG’s and, ultimately, to prove that they are beatable.
To post hands in order to generate follower discussion and get feedback on range construction, frequencies, exploitative adjustments, population tendencies, and metagame implications, all the while using RIO coaching material to help shape our arguments and discussions.
No depositing. I will get started using 10 tickets for the .50 cent games.
I’ll start out one-tabling the regular speeds (5-minute blind levels) and possibly start playing the turbos (3-minute blind levels) when I have a little wiggle room.
I will move up in stakes as soon as I have 20 buy-ins of the next stake up and move down if I lose 5 buy-ins at that level. The progression up through the stakes will look something like this:
.47 +.03 €20 (40 buy-ins)
.94 + .06 €40 (20 buy-ins)
1.88 +.12 €60 (10 buy-ins)
2.82 + .18 €100 (14 buy-ins)
I will also plan to update with a graph here every 50 tournaments or so in order to show how things are progressing.
The Time Limit
The challenge is over when I go busto or when there is at least €100 in my account. That said, I will try to put in a decent amount of volume each day (10-15 tourneys while one-tabling) so as not to drag this out forever.
Wish me luck, and keep an eye out for my first update here within the next few days!
June 12, 2019 | 5:08 p.m.
This content is gold! I often struggle with if and how I should split my range after c-betting range on the flop. Excellent video, especially for those of us without sllvers. Spacebo!