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Comment | HappyZKoala commented on Study Group

Hi Johan, it is a Discord group if you're familiar with it? if not, its somewhat similar to skype, just more user friendly imo! Give me a quick message with a little info about the stakes you play etc. and I'll drop you an invite :) cheers

Sept. 7, 2017 | 11:28 a.m.

My advise would be to size up pre and give worse odds (I would advise around pot), I think sizing used may induce action from hands you are trying to fold out, especially being over 100bbs deep with all opponents. WP OTF/T, OTR I think we can get called by worse (AK/AQ + any other hands V can rock up with which he doesn't want to fold), but it's hard to induce bluffs, or a value bet which we beat. Therefore I like leading out OTR small. Call it a blocker value bet of sorts. I like anywhere around $3-4.5 OTR. Thoughts?

AP I can't fold OTR when your hand has been somewhat underplayed.

Sept. 7, 2017 | 10 a.m.

Post | HappyZKoala posted in NLHE: Study Group

Hi,
Just dropping a post looking for any micro/low stakes players who are interested in joining a (discord) study group. The group is used for sharing HH analysis, chat, sweats, goals/challenges, playing home games etc. within a small community.
Primarily looking for winning players at nl10+, dedicated to improving there game. majority of the group currently plays micro stakes (nl10-25).

Message me if interested with some basic info about you/your game for an invite :)

Sept. 7, 2017 | 9:53 a.m.

Another post about 3-betting strategies.
After recently studying 3-betting strategies, and which is/are the best to utilize at the micro stakes games, I have come to a basic conclusion about the strategy I will employ; Polar IP; Linear/merged OOP. (I never employ a completely linear/polar 3b range - I find it best to utilize a slight mix of both strategies, but generally leaning towards one; position dependent).

That being said, I still have a few questions based around the topic:
1). when utilizing a linear/merged 3bing range OOP vs LP opens, do small PP's come under that range (I am not/rarely 3-betting these VS EP)? I have recently started 3b'ing these hands and playing them more aggressively (x% of small PP's) vs BTN/CO opens - is this a good strat, and if so, what are the reasons for it (maximizing FE etc.)?
2a). What does a linear/merged range look like?

Elementary question right, and I completely understand that a merged range generally is going to consist of 1010+, A10/Js+, AJ/Qo+ etc. (or in this area). But when talking about 3b'ing range from the SB vs BTN my 3b'ing range is much wider, and I still consider it linear. Not only is it some % of 22+, A10o+, A9s+ (ish), K10s+, QJs+, It will also consist of some J9s, Q8s etc.

2b). Is the above SB vs BTN/LP 3b'ing range okay/correct (any suggestions?). Is it okay to mix in some J9s, Q8s etc.?
2c). I assume it is is, but is the above SB vs BTN/LP 3b'ing range just a wider linear/merged 3b range?
3). IP, as mentioned I am utilizing a polar 3-betting strat. Any thoughts on the following range, lets say from OTB vs MP, assuming effective stacks are around 100BB's (adaptions made dependent on positions, reads, stack depth etc.) - VALUE: AQ(/K)o+, JJ+, perhaps KQs + AJ(/Q)s+, BLUFFS: A2-5s, x no./% of 87s 910s, J9s etc. (enough to balance)?

Any further advice/suggestions on the topic would be greatly appreciated.
I would like to thank anyone in advance for reading and replying to this slightly elementary post - cheers!

July 6, 2017 | 10:30 a.m.

I completely understand about stack sizes affecting our 3b ranges, and I utilize a more merged 3b range when deeper effective stacks are in play as part of my current strategy.

I may have misunderstood your comment (apologies if that's the case) but a few questions -

how do you not see the benefit of using a merged 3b strat OOP? You didn't further define your opinion, but I therefore assume you are polar OOP - surely that can't be working out well vs a wide continuing range (due to positions)? Or if it is, why?

Ofc playing OOP is tough by definition, but I find a merged 3b range from the blinds, especially vs LP opens works with decent success - by exploiting a wide opening range, and by choosing hands that play well OOP vs a potentially wide continuing range vs 3bs no?

July 6, 2017 | 10:01 a.m.

Exactly what I suspected - thanks a lot for your reply, I find it very helpful!

July 5, 2017 | 10:04 a.m.

why is this strange? do you 3b linear IP, and polar OOP?? Or polar/linear from both? Please elaborate

July 4, 2017 | 10:23 a.m.

So. IP I am 3-betting a more polar range in comparison to my more linear range OOP (this is in order to exploit wider calling ranges IP, and folds OOP). This brings me to 4-betting in and OOP.

My understanding is that vs a polar range, we want to be utilizing a linear strategy (and vice versa)? This is in order to exploit wider 3-betting range which consists of more bluffs in comparison to a linear range. When we 4b polar vs a linear 3b we can allow V to take flops, which is going to be good for our polar range, especially IP (meaning our bluffing section of our polar 4b's can potentially continue post flop on certain textures). I assume a polar range is going to be 5-betting AI/folding more, and taking fewer flops vs a 4b. With our linear range, we can then take our top x% hands and find a call vs a 5b AI, and fold our bottom x% hands (V/position dependent).

That being said, I never employ a completely linear/polar 3/4b range - I find it best to utilize a slight mix of both strategies, but generally leaning towards one; position dependent.

Am I correct in saying we should be 4-betting less vs a linear range? (as we will potentially find fewer folds vs a range w/ fewer bluffs).

I have also read some articles based on 4-betting strategy, and have found some that suggest a polar 4-betting range vs polarized 3bs, and linear vs linear. Is this the correct strat? Or, is it simply too V based; obviously I understand our strat depends somewhat on these factors, but does it depend entirely on elements such as how often V folds to 4b's etc. (upon these V dependent factors is how we develop our 4-betting range).

Is this logic correct or am I incorrect in my thought process? Any advice/opinions/thought's would be greatly appreciated, as this is something I am struggling with slightly atm (basically reasons why we should be employing a linear/polar strat vs 3b's).

Cheers.

July 2, 2017 | 12:43 p.m.

Comment | HappyZKoala commented on 5nlz line check

Great great in depth reply. Thanks a lot for sharing your thought process - I agree w/ everything mentioned. Cheers

June 7, 2017 | 8:02 p.m.

Hand History | HappyZKoala posted in NLHE: 5nlz line check
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) BN: $5.90
SB: $5.62
BB: $6.22
UTG: $2.50
MP: $5.00 (Hero)
CO: $15.58
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is MP with 9 9
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10
Flop ($0.32) 3 T 4
BB checks, Hero bets $0.11, BB raises to $0.51, Hero calls $0.40
Turn ($1.34) 3 T 4 Q
BB checks, Hero checks
River ($1.34) 3 T 4 Q 3
BB bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80
Final Pot BB lost and shows a pair of Threes.
MP wins and shows two pair, Nines and Threes.
MP wins $2.82
Rake is $0.12

June 7, 2017 | 4:59 p.m.

Hand History | HappyZKoala posted in NLHE: 5nlz 3b pot river decision
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) BN: $5.62
SB: $5.19
BB: $2.78
UTG: $8.96
MP: $9.53
CO: $5.00 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is CO with J A
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BN folds, SB raises to $0.46, BB folds, Hero calls $0.31
Flop ($0.97) 6 4 A
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50
Turn ($1.97) 6 4 A 6
SB bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95
River ($3.87) 6 4 A 6 7
SB bets $1.86, Hero calls $1.86
Final Pot SB lost and shows two pair, Aces and Sixes.
CO wins and shows two pair, Aces and Sixes.
CO wins $7.28
Rake is $0.31

June 7, 2017 | 4:32 p.m.

'from my experience (NL25-NL50), when a player cbet 33% OTF, he has nothing and, when IP, i just always call it off and then bet the turn with my air if checked to, exactly as if the flop went check check and i was probing the turn.'

This is exactly why I am proposing the strategy. these small c-bets often indicate weak holding's (and in truth, are often used when pre-flop aggressor has flopped little), which in turn induce's floats/more action from V. Or at the very least induces as wider continuing range (as it should). As you mentioned, you 'always call it off IP vs smaller c-bet sizing (33%)', now imagine if I were to utilize this bet sizing with my strong holdings, as well as some weaker combo's (to balance, and make it hard for you to adjust). Now I'm getting action from 100% of your range (I'm sure you don't call 100% of your range, but let's just say a much larger percentage than vs a 50% c-bet).

This was the basis of the strategy, but as I think others have commented, there are certainly flaws in the strat (as expected).

June 7, 2017 | 1:53 p.m.

Hi. I am playing 5/10nlz on stars.
This is very interesting, as unfortunately I am not using a tracking software (PT4 etc.), which means I can't look over a database of my hands. This post was simply going of the way I noted players were reacting to the smaller sizing's, there is obviously problems w/ this method of collecting data - A). human error B). sample sizes C). No statistics (in terms of percentages of calls/raises etc.), and so on.

Due to this I shouldn't (and wont be) looking into this strategy much more until I get a tracking software, where I can properly look over data/info - this was more of just a proposal to the community to hear feedback lol.
Cheers for the input - really useful to hear about findings over a large sample of data at the micro's

June 7, 2017 | 9:30 a.m.

This seems like a good strategy to utilize w/ a decent sized sample. Cheers for the reply.

June 6, 2017 | 2:05 p.m.

As I have experimented with smaller c-bet sizing (30-35% pot ish) in the micro stakes, especially w/ a wider range from the BTN vs blinds, I have found they rarely achieve the desired effect (of a wide c-bet often used to fold out equity). I know that the blinds will be continuing w/ a wider range vs a smaller bet sizing's + the BTN's already wide range, but It's not become rare for me to see players end up at the river w/ ridiculous hands (seemingly 100% of the range they get to the flop with), often w/ no flopped equity or SDV. I am regularly using these small c-bets in 3b pots on dry texture's, or even in a normal pot (from any position), entirely dependent on range's, board texture, and obviously how those ranges interact w/ that texture. I have also spotted micro/small stakes streamers come up against player often spazzing vs small-c-bets.

Therefore I propose the use of smaller c-bets for an entirely different purpose at the micro/small stakes. Instead of the more traditional use of folding out hands w/ equity OTF/OTT (delayed), and perhaps using the smaller sizing to exploit ranges on certain textures, and give yourself a 'good price' to take down the pot. Perhaps we can begin to extract maximum value, and exploit an overly wide continuing range, as well as to allow opponents to 'spaz'.

For example, vs a 50% pot c-bet V is continuing with 40% range, whereas vs a 33% pot c-bet, V is continuing with 75% range. To really exploit this strategy players will need a much more developed post flop ability than with the traditional c-bet (in order to optimally play turns/rivers vs such a wide range).

To further detail, I am suggesting these smaller c-bets w/ a stronger range OTF/T in order to exploit wide continuing ranges. This is as w/ a wide/light c-betting range OTF (as traditional), the suggested sizing often does not produce effective results at these stakes. Now I am not saying these sizing's cannot be used for the more traditional purpose in certain spots, as they definitely can (in-fact I recommend the use of these sizing's for both purposes, not only to exploit different spots, but to remain balanced).

Not sure if a similar strategy has been suggested in the past, just find this quite an interesting strategy, and I am further interested in how these smaller c-bet sizing's can be used effectively.

Also interested to see how players utilize these smaller c-bets in their game, and how you can potentially use them to exploit opponents (in what spots, from what positions, vs what ranges etc.)? And how do you find players react to these sizes in different spots?

P.s First time posting on this site, also created a thread on this strat/topic over at 2+2.

June 6, 2017 | 12:02 p.m.

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