It was a $10/$20 game in my local casino. I was dealt 2 red KK in UTG and RFI for $60, with an effective stack of $2.5k-ish. My immediate left was a LAG who had not been picking much spots against me and on the whole had been playing a seemingly honest game with me. He had me covered and called. Heads-up OTF of 865 r. How do we play the hand from here?
In-game, I c-bet $100 into $150 for value and protection. I'm not sure if my sizing was optimal. I've spoken to a top pro before and he has told me not to use small bets on such flops as I would be exploited by a raise and not know where I would be in the hand, in other words, a small sizing would fuck up the hand. So I chose a 2/3 sizing. And he had told me against a raise if I had c-bet big, I could jus exploit fold cus villain is often not gonna bluff raise against a big sizing on such flops. My friend told me that if the flop was more coordinated like 456, there would be more reason to check the hand. But since the flop was 865, it would be quite unlikely for villain to have 79s,74s, 86s type of hands. So I listened to my friend's advice and c-bet $100 into $150. The likely value combos would be 65s, and all combos of 88, 66 and 55 as well as semi-bluffing hands like 78s, and maybe A7s with backdoor FDs.
Then again, on such coordinated flops, I feel uncomfortable with such holdings as well, cus I can't stand a raise, and I feel that bet-folding is like getting exploited too cus we are often not gonna be nut-heavy on an 865 flop cus we RFI-ed UTG. Yet, we also cannot c-bet for 3 streets with our particular hand. So honestly I'm torn between checking or c-betting big.
I plugged my hand into PokerSnowie which I have been using recently. Snowie recommended a high frequency check, which I think is ok, just that I feel it caps my range on such boards. Snowie did recommend a half P bet 14% of the time. I haven't learnt how to use PIOsolver yet, so I have not plugged the hand into PIO.
How should we approach this hand? Thoughts please guys. Thank you!
Feb. 22, 2019 | 6:56 a.m.
It's a $10/$20 game in a local casino. I started the hand with about $2,200 to $2,300. I RFI to $80 in MP against an upfront limper with Q♥Q♠, and go 5-way OTF of T♥3♥8♠. Checked to me and I c-bet $300 into $400 into this dynamic flop for value & protection. It gets folded to the SB who seemed like a LAG kinda player, and he raised to $700. He had me covered. I had about $1,400 behind if I had jammed on top of his $400 raise. What should we make of his raise sizing and his range? And how do we proceed with QQ in this spot? Given we block QJ for str8 draws (bluffs) and we hold the Q♥ in our hand as a flush draw blocker, what's the right way to think of ranges in this particular hand?
Dec. 3, 2018 | 9:11 a.m.
My effective stack in this hand was about $950 in $5/$10 in a ring game in the Bellagio. I raised in EP with K♠️K♣️, and I picked up 2 callers in MP and LP. OTF of J♠️6♣️5♣️, I c-bet for $60 into $105. MP guy called. LP guy raised to $190. What is our best option here? LP guy is a fish who plays a wide range of hands and he covered me. How relevant are our flush blockers in affecting the decision for our hand? I spoke to a friend about such spots before where my hand would be AA instead but with a similar board texture and with the flush blocker, and my friend who is a successful high stakes player said that since we blocked the NFD, it’s less likely our opponent would be bluffing in such spots so he said we should fold in such spots. But my hand now is KK instead of AA, so is his advice still relevant? Is it always a str8forward decision in this hand, or are there other variables we needa consider? Are we getting exploited if we always over-fold in such spots?
Sept. 7, 2018 | 5:19 p.m.
Haha, wow! U actually remembered me, Andrius! Nice bumping into u here, didn't know u're a member of RIO too! Nothing about u being Lithuanian or what, I jus felt that my hand was beat OTR, so I folded. Even if u had told me u were Spanish and the hand had played out the exact same manner, I think I woulda still chosen to let go of my hand. Good hand sir!
Aug. 7, 2018 | 6:35 p.m.
Blinds are 5/10 at the Bellagio. I RFI in MP with J❤️J♦️ to $30. Immediate player on my left was a Lithuanian guy whom I had developed a friendship with on the table as we had been chatting during the session. He appeared more on the passive side. He called and another guy called too. So 3-way OTF of 7❤️7♦️4 ❤️. I c-bet $60 into $105 for value and protection. Only the Lithuanian guy called. Heads-up OTT of a 9♦️ bringing dual flush draws on the board. I bet $130 into $225 to charge the draws and to protect my hand. Villian called. K♦️ OTR. I checked and villain bet $200 into $485 rather sheepishly. Tells-wise, I felt he was weak. But logically speaking, I didn’t beat much with my hand OTR. I lost to boats like 44 and 99, K❤️x❤️ and 7x. I only beat front door busted ❤️ draws. What’s the best way to think about this hand OTR? How relevant are our (flush draw) blockers in this hand given we hold 2 red Jacks? Thoughts pls, thank you.
June 23, 2018 | 3:44 p.m.
Blinds are 5/10 at the Bellagio. UTG reg RFI for $30. MP called for $30. I don’t have much info on the MP, but I had been observing the UTG and it seemed like he was on the aggro side. My effective stack was about 1.5k, MP had around the same as me, while the UTG covered me. I was in the SB with AKo and decided to 3b to $150. The BB was a fish who was full of random shit so my range in the SB here esp vs a UTG RFI is gonna be very nutted and honest. UTG called for $150. MP suddenly back-raise 4-b to $400. What do we do with AK here? What could we be up against? This play felt like bullshit to me, but logically speaking, for someone to commit $370 more after investing only $30 pre-flop against a SB 3-b of a UTG RFI, he has to have had the goods. What do u guys think of this hand? Thoughts pls, thank you.
June 23, 2018 | 3:34 p.m.
Did I just strike a lottery or something?? Most chests seems to be paying out peanuts rb like $10 for most part and pathetic amount of shit coins even though i play a lot on 2/5 zoom plo. How common/rare is this?
April 14, 2018 | 2:51 p.m.
Blinds is 2/2 with $5 straddle compulsory. We pot the 5c 6c 7h 9h double from mp, co calls, bb and straddle calls.
Pot is like $100, we have $1500 and everyone covers us.
Flop is 6s 8s Td, we bet $75,co and sb calls.
Turn Ad, we pot $325 now only co tank and calls. Hu to the river
River Ah, we check and co jams pot size ($950ish)
What do you guys think?
I folded given I think all TT and 88 is in his range and also Trip aces checks back fairly often. Exploitively co might raise J9Q spades type hands because to some novice home game players "it's a good hand". Imo people don't bluff this runout very often too, not sure what you guys think. Having a hard time to think of hands he will bluff with and what will he expect me to fold out when I bet 4 ways otf and pot 3 ways ott.
Thanks for reading
Oct. 6, 2017 | 10:38 a.m.
Blinds: $2/$4 in an online app
In a full ring 9-handed game, the CO raised to $12. I was in the SB and decided to 3-b to $40 with A♠4♠ with an effective stack of about $370 - $380 to knock the BB outta the hand, and go heads-up with the CO, plus we have a good hand to do it with against a CO opening range. However, the BB surprised me by calling the $40 3-b cold. The CO also defended. 3-way OTF of K♠T♠8♣, I c-bet $65 into the $120 pot as the flop was good for my range and I also wanted to push the equity of my hand with my NFD. The BB raised to $150, and the CO folded. Given the sizing the BB raised, he was kinda inducing me to shove and I also decided to go with my hand though there was no fold equity. Was my 3-b shove bad with my hand? Bet-folding a NFD as the preflop aggressor felt like a very weak play to me, but given the BB's cold-calling range of my 3-b, he would have some slowplayed KK, TT or AK/AA, though the latter seemed unlikely since I had an Ace blocker myself. So it kinda felt like I was shoving into such a range of nutted hands, But for me, I felt there was also too much money in the pot, after I'd c-bet for $65 into $120, and he had raised to $150, there would be $335 in the pot, and I would havta risk about another $270-ish to win a combined total of $605-ish. Definitely I would have been getting more than 2-1 on my money for my NFD, hence my mathematical reasoning for stacking off too. Getting like 2.2-1 on my money, I think the 3-b Gii shoulda been an ok play and I liked my play but I was not sure if it was the correct play, since 3-b Gii would only get called by the above nutted hands I had stated above. Please share your insights with me guys, thank you.
Jan. 12, 2017 | 11:33 p.m.
@Tap85: While I agree with you that a player that bets the turn is never folding a pair+draw for 500, but U are putting too much money into the pot with a medium strength hand, which is ur hand, KK, a mere overpair on a dry 842r 5 turn. Good solid players are only gonna call big bets and big raises with hands that beat u on such a dry runout. But in ur case I don't think a good player will weak-lead 50 OTT. OTR U could argue that the IP player checks back one pair type of hands thinking the pot is already big enough. But what kinda hands can call a c-bet OTF, a big raise OTT, and then a big river bet? I believe only sets (which have u beat already) would call. I don't think KK can get so much value, to be frank, cus I think only 2 pair plus (I think u wouldn't have any 2-pair combos on this kinda board texture anyway) should take this line. Ur hand OTR is a good hand but not a gr8 hand which can jus go bet-raise-bet for 3 streets. I still think if u had checked OTR, u can still call a decent sized bet from the IP opponent who might turn their weaker hands into bluffs or value own themselves with medium pairs like A8/87/99/TT, and maybe QQ (if he showed up with them). And of cus, u lose the minimum against 888 and JJJ, the only possible value hands which would make sense given this kinda preflop situation, if the players are sensible enough not to set-mine with 22, 44 and 55 when the pot is already so inflated with a triple straddle.
Dec. 12, 2016 | 4:05 a.m.
I think I would call with the set of 777 as it's the top of ur range, in a vacuum. He has to have had specifically J♦️8♦️ or 8♦️6♦️ which was also a double gutter that improved to the str8 OTR. But in live games, I noticed that when an opponent normally makes such a 'speech' and then jams, it's kinda a false 'tell' that he's weak. He could really have rivered the str8, u would probably know his energy level better in-game. That said, however, I think I would jus mostly call and give him the pot if he had decided to call 2 big bets OTF and OTT and then got there OTR with a gut-shot. Too much money in the middle to fold ur set, he could be doing in with some busted flush draws too, to make u fold over-pairs. Hope my feedback was useful.
Dec. 8, 2016 | 1:19 a.m.
I think u shld check and give up on this flop. A lot of his calling range preflop hits this flop. Hands like QQ, JJ, TT, 99, 88, 77, JTs, T9s, all have a piece of this flop. In addition, u don't have any equity on this flop, since u're jus at best 2 over-cards to a top pair kinda hand. Since u had mentioned that he's a good solid TAG grinder, I do not expect him to open and defend with the weaker parts of his UTG range, which is like pairs below 77, KQo, AJo, etc.. Even if u had c-bet and get called, I don't think u would be able to get him to fold with the calling range that I had listed above, and u would havta spend a lot of money in this bloated pot to bluff him out of this pot OTT and OTR if u had c-bet bluffed OTF. Better to check and realise the equity of ur hand IP. Maybe u could turn some backdoors like a Q or an Ace or a King. And if checked to again OTT, maybe u can do a delayed c-bet to deny ur opponent his equity with ur gut-shot as well as ur turned top pairs if u hit the A/K OTT. But proceed with caution as I believe if he's a decent solid TAG grinder like u had mentioned, he's probably gonna hit this flop quite hard, and not really be folding much against ur c-bets.
Dec. 8, 2016 | 1:10 a.m.
@ Tap 85: I think your raise against the weak lead OTT was too big. 450 on top of 50, the only hands that would call such a big raise would usu beat u. A smaller raise against such a weak lead, somewhere to the ballpark of 350 would suffice, and also deny him the necessary equity to continue with hands like 87s or 86s which are basically top pair with gut-shots which are like 9 outs or 18% when U factor in the top pair and the gut-shot as the 6 outs + 3 2 pair outs needed for him to win the hand. He would needa put in like 300 more to win a total of about 1.15k if u had raised to 350, so he would needa call 300 to win 865 + 300, which is about 4-1. He wouldn't have the roughly 20% necessary to make a break even call.
Once called for such a big raise of $500 OTT, against the OTB player, I think betting for value with KK is kinda thin. The only hands which would call/jam u would be 2 pairs and sets+. Instead, I'd prefer a x-call, depending on ur opponent's sizing. If u check, u induce the hands that u beat to take a stab at the pot and bluff u. And then u call and catch their bluffs and of cus u will also lose when u're beat, but we can't expect to win with our KK all the time. Bet-folding seems a bit too much to lose with ur hand. Let me know if you think my feedback makes sense. Hope it helps. :)
Dec. 3, 2016 | 3:09 a.m.
This was a hand played between 2 of my regular opponents. It got me thinking as I found the way these 2 players played the hand unusual and unorthodox. I would like to know what you guys think of their play. The blinds were @ $2/$2, in a home game.
There was a limper upfront and the CO, a rather loose stealer who liked to call down aggressively, decided to raise to $10 with an effective stack of about $480. Let's call the CO player J. Let's call the OTB guy W, he had J covered. He's a rather sound player but with some leaks. He decided to 3-b J to $30. J elected to 4-b to $90. W thought briefly and called the 4-bet OTB. Heads-up OTF of T♦️9♦️3♦️, J c-bet for $100 into $186. W went into a mini-tank and decided to shove J for his remaining $292. J tanked for several minutes and called off. W showed down A❤️Q♦️, J showed down Q♥️T♥️. What should we learn and not learn from the way the both of these opponents played their hands?
The doubts I have:
1. Is calling a 4-b with AQo OTB a good and standard play against a loose stealer and aggressive caller like J? Wouldn't AQs be a better hand to do this with since it has more playability or is AQo sufficient in terms of high card value? I would usu think calling a 4-bet with AQo is kinda toast against most decent 4-bet ranges, but against this particular opponent in this kinda aggressive dynamic, is it +EV?
2. When W semi-bluff shoved with his A♥️Q♦️on this flop texture, is he really making money from this play? Would having an A♦️instead in his hand be a better candidate to make such a move, or is this a suitable hand to make this play? When both of these opponents tabled down their hands, W made it seem like he soul-read J and applied correct pressure on his opponent and almost made him fold his hand. But like I had mentioned, J was an aggressive caller, so I'm not sure if W had really made the correct play in this dynamic. What was he really expecting J to fold? He only blocked QQ and AA, but hands like Kings with the diamond, or Jacks with the diamond, or even A♦️K♦️ were not blocked and would definitely not fold to the shove anyway.
Please me know what you guys think. Thank you.
Dec. 3, 2016 | 2:35 a.m.
This is a hand in a $2/$4 game in an online poker app.
I started the hand with about $350-$360 and had K♠️K♣️. A guy posted the blinds in LP, so I raised to $22 from the SB, only the BB who covered me called. I had no info on the BB. I c-bet $28 into $48 OTF of T♣️8♣️5♠️, villain calls. OTT of a 3♠️, I sized up my turn c-bet to $77 into like $104 since there's a dual flush draw OTT now. OTR of a backdoor J♠️ which completed the backdoor flush, I shoved for like PSB of my remaining $230-ish into $258. Opponent called and showed me 55. Did I overplay my hand OTR? Is a x-call line better than a shove OTR? I didn't expect my opponent to table down a set as I believed he would have put in a raise with his hand at any street esp OTT since it's very drawy OTT. I also didn't put my opponent on backdoor ♠️flushes and would expect him to have hands like KT, QT and AT a lot. Please share your insights with me guys. Thank you.