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OTwenty

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Please give Andreas more videotime! We have so little essential PLO content these days. I love his live play videos.

March 28, 2020 | 10:53 p.m.

Post | OTwenty posted in Chatter: Lack of essential PLO content

Hi,
I've recently been noticing there's very few new videos on essential PLO content coming out, is this a temporary hiatus or should I look for content elsewhere? Why can't we just have Andreas pump out live play videos at the very least once a week?

March 23, 2020 | 10:38 p.m.

Best video ive seen from you! Keep this format please:)

March 8, 2015 | 5:51 p.m.

Put in a raising range in Odds Oracle and tell me how much equity you have vs that range.

I dont like the 3bet because we have 4 more people left to act, 2 of which have position, one with who we are 600bb deep. NOT because we cannot call a 4bet and/or we get 4bet alot.

The reason we end up in a situation where we have sort of one of the best flops for our hand and we still only can Bet/Fold, is because we should not be playing this hand OOP. We set ourselfs up for this once we play this hand from MP, even though you're 3betting. I disagree with the 3bet not because he's opening tight or you cannot call a 4bet. I'm against it because you have more players to act behind you.

Very skilled players can pull off wider ranges in these spots, however when you decide you'd like to check/call a hand like this, it goes to show you should not be playing all that wide at all.

March 2, 2015 | 11:31 p.m.

I think we're overestimating the Big blinds ability to handselect a very good squeezing range here if we're giving him a 10% 3bet in this spot.

If this % is remotely close to this, he's going to have alot of hands which are actually not in a well balanced 3betting range that 10%pokerjuice range gives us. But its going to include alot of hands that he will have to fold to a 4bet because it does extremely poor vs AA heavy ranges.

Because he is a bad player, we cant assume he will fold these hands so our actual equity when it goes in 3way will at least a bit better than what PJ comes up with.

If he was a more solid player, it becomes a very easy shove in my opinion because he will fold a large part of his 3betting range here.

That said, In this case we only have 3.5bb invested and you're right that we definitely wont make a ton of money here.

March 1, 2015 | 5:52 p.m.

How would you qualify someone 3betting an utg shortstack in mp with a very speculative hand?

On the flop I dont think check/calling is going to get you in many good turn spots. We have a marginal hand with a non-nut draw.

When you bet, the button has to play very straight forward with the shorty behind and we block some very good draws that he could be raising or peeling with.

If he raises us we can fold without much regret, if he folds we can play a turn vs the shorty in position or call his shove.

March 1, 2015 | 5:35 p.m.

Hey Zach, great video!
One thing for the future though, and it might just be personal preference but I doubt it.. If you're going to make a PLO video, which is assume is what you are shooting for here, its obv alright to just add a NL table to fill up the gap, however I dont see the merit of going into depth into NL hands. No NL player is going to be watching this for the NL content, and no PLO player cares for the NL hands..

At least, thats what I think. I just cant imagine any Elite members looking for both in one video.

Jan. 16, 2015 | 4:15 p.m.

Moar!! I def prefer these over your own live action vids.

Jan. 14, 2015 | 12:32 a.m.

I agree with kyyberi. I'd say its 50/50 that i'd call if he bet a normal amount, since i feel like weaker players always try to rep a hand that they're sure you dont have. (because you check back the flop you never have a J in their eyes, which is obv false), but I'd still feel its a bad spot.

But in this case specific i think your fold is going to be good more often than not. These players actually never bet a 2p hand OTT simply because it isnt the nuts.

Dec. 3, 2014 | 1:36 p.m.

Spass, do you think he's ever donk/folding? Should he be? I didnt think so at first but tat that board he prob should have a donk/folding range aswell.

Since he's putting us in a pretty bad spot sandwiched on a board like that.

But doesnt that also mean that shoving becomes a better option?

I'm a bit confused which scenario leads to x solution here. sorry for that.

Dec. 3, 2014 | 1:30 p.m.

I hope someone can do a PJ/PT analysis on this. I think its close but we can shove. I think calling is bad.

Dec. 3, 2014 | 12:15 a.m.

I agree that we prob cant fold in theory, however I dont feel our turn situation is going to be that great. On the turn SB will shove 100% of his range and bb will just call again alot because the shove is going to be 4$ into 60$, or he's going to realise we are weak and is going to me shoving over it with a worse hand... Do we shove over his turn call? If we don't we're basically letting BB realise his equity very easy.

I think our hand is too weak to just call and I dont think the bb has alot of made hands at all, if any. I actually think BB is going to be folding enough of his range to make a jam profitable here, but Im not sure.

Dec. 2, 2014 | 11:06 p.m.

I PMed you :)

Dec. 2, 2014 | 11:53 a.m.

Preflop seems reasonable to me.

Once the flop comes i'm not thinking about ever putting in a penny here 4way in a 3b pot. We basically have a naked K blocker. I dont really see why you'd be any more attached to this hand.

You def need to see his bet as a shove, he's potting it into 4 people.

You did the equity calc correctly except for the part where you need to exclude a 4betting range.

However I think its not going to improve your equity what so ever vs his stacking off range.

Dec. 1, 2014 | 8:38 p.m.

I wouldnt bet the flop 3way.
I tend to feel thesame as you OTT vs that sizing i usually cant resist to just raise it up.

I also feel that our hand is too weak to be calling, because we have bad visibility on the river and our range looks very weak.

Dec. 1, 2014 | 8:31 p.m.

Do you realise how much equity we need? Did you read any posts in this thread?

Dec. 1, 2014 | 8:11 p.m.

I disagree with the people saying you have enough hands in your range here to be bet/calling alot. Really the only hand we can bet/call here is T9 + the occasional set, but that isnt a big part of our 3betting range at all. We're going to have tons of AA combos, Highcards, and all our medium combos are going to have hands we're going to want to x/c instead of bet (ie. 2P, P + strdraw, pair + gutter + bds )

With these hands i wouldnt construct a betting range at all and just check my entire range, and construct a x/r range and a x/c range. We can x/r small here with strong blocker hands and nutty hands, and we can x/c with hands said above + some nutty hands aswell, depending on our villians tendencies.

So I think you're on the right track :)

Dec. 1, 2014 | 8:06 p.m.

Comment | OTwenty commented on 400 - 3bpot AQT8

This seems like a terrible spot for BTN to cbet vs our co range. Correct?
Im guessing he should check back all his medium strength hands and alot of give ups, and then have some strong blockers hands (?) for his bet/folding range and betting very strong made hands / draws?

Does he even need a bet folding range? am I wrong in thinking he could just check back IP all his medium strength hands + air . And pot all the hands he wants to go with?

If thats the case It looks to me that the whole donking plan of spassewr seems most optimal.

Dec. 1, 2014 | 7:51 p.m.

Comment | OTwenty commented on PLO200 PJ bluffcatch

Do people really check back a pair + Add here, let alone the bare nutflushdr? I'd never range people on that assumption. Could someone add to this?

Dec. 1, 2014 | 7:37 p.m.

Thanks alot Spassewr.

Im sorry I didnt provide reads, i should have said It was an unknown.

Nov. 20, 2014 | 1:49 p.m.

Hand History | OTwenty posted in PLO: 25plo Jhi fd + nut oesd oop
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) BN: bananek156: $27.55
SB: skundi: $33.09
BB: derfischi78: $21.68
UTG: iLoseFlips19: $61.56
MP: OTwenty: $96.32 (Hero)
CO: v_kats: $21.59
Preflop ($0.35) OTwenty is MP with J Q T 5
iLoseFlips19 folds, OTwenty raises to $0.85, v_kats folds, bananek156 calls $0.85, 2 folds
Flop ($2.05) 9 Q 5
OTwenty bets $1.30, bananek156 raises to $4.25, OTwenty raises to $14.71, bananek156 raises to $26.70 and is all in, OTwenty calls $11.99
Turn ($55.45) 9 Q 5 4
River ($55.45) 9 Q 5 4 K
Final Pot bananek156 wins and shows a flush, King high.
OTwenty lost and shows a flush, King high.
bananek156 wins $53.45
Rake is $2.00

Nov. 11, 2014 | 9:46 p.m.

@unuwoho EV - 4.7bb seems better than our -15bb when we fold, no? 

Oct. 7, 2014 | 2:18 p.m.

Hand 1 and 2 I really dont understand why you're reviewing them. These are hands which would pass by in a live play videos and be dealt with pretty quick.

11:23 AAk7 hand, You're basically saying he never has a made hand on the turn here, or at least not a better hand than ours, and he x/pots into us for half his stack. So its going to be mostly weaker made hands w maybe a draw to go with it (like it was) or just very big draws (which also include alot of clubs, because he x/c the flop) I dont see how flatting vs that range is going to bring us in alot of nice river situations. Is this for balance for the times we have like a draw and can now call it off on a blank?

Sept. 20, 2014 | 11:37 p.m.

Where did you get it from to have a wider 3betting range OOP when you are very deep? This is not exactly true as far as I understand. The deeper we are, the greater our positional disadvantage will be postflop. We want to be 3betting nutty hands and hands that are easy to play postflop. 

I think the J972ds is borderline, because it does not flop all that great and we cant just pot pot like we do in 100bb situations.

Sept. 20, 2014 | 2:14 a.m.

with an SPR of 1 i dont think there is a different play other than shoving on the turn here. I dont think you should put too much thought in to his range in relation to the min3b, because a fishy play like that simply does not deserve that in plo.

Him being a fish he will have plenty of random hands here which did not improve.. and vs alot of hands which now beat us we still have plenty of equity. 

I'd say even with an spr of 2 i'd be potting turn here for thesame reasons. Not sure if that is correct though.

Sept. 8, 2014 | 5:14 p.m.

You can actually do this for every stat in PT4. If you go to Item properties top right in your hud profile window.. you can select IP or OOP.

Aug. 5, 2014 | 8:37 p.m.

Im interested to know this aswell...

Aug. 5, 2014 | 8:35 p.m.

My thoughts exactly, isnt a wrap + bdfd enough to just x/pot here in a 3b pot? 

Aug. 1, 2014 | 10:53 p.m.

very good video :)

one point on the audio, it seems like when you don't talk the audio goes mute and it is pretty annoying especially when using headphones. If you recorded in allot of takes just edit a steady white noise under the wholl thing, may sound weird but makes the audio sound way more smooth. 

June 24, 2014 | 12:48 a.m.

wauw thank you for that, that was a very good clear post. Do you give private coaching and do you think these concepts are valuable in mtts where you often have to estimate very rough what peoples ranges are ? :)

June 7, 2014 | 12:14 a.m.

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