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Seed2Shade

6 points

What do you range V here? I worried he had a lot of AQ, AT, maybe KJ with club type hand (some weaker players here that sometimes bets middling things when it makes perfect sense to check). These hands would be almost always checking back river.

Aug. 25, 2019 | 11:41 p.m.

Big follow up question is, do you fold to 5bet from V1 and/or V2 or are we just stacking here?

Aug. 25, 2019 | 11:39 p.m.

But does it play well in short SPRs? 60% of time there will be at least one over, 40% there will be 2 overs.

Aug. 25, 2019 | 11:38 p.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (8 Players) BN: $96.00
SB: $113.06
BB: $122.91
UTG: $49.36
UTG+1: $119.96 (Hero)
MP: $153.22
MP+1: $100.50
CO: $100.00
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is UTG+1 with 6 6
UTG folds, Hero raises to $4.00, MP calls $4.00, 4 folds, BB calls $3.00
Flop ($13.50) 6 J A
BB checks, Hero bets $6.00, MP calls $6.00, BB folds
Turn ($25.50) 6 J A 8
Hero checks, MP bets $12.12, Hero calls $12.12
River ($49.74) 6 J A 8 8
Hero

Aug. 25, 2019 | 3:48 a.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (7 Players) CO: $98.50
BN: $127.57
SB: $121.47
BB: $157.07 (Hero)
UTG: $46.96
UTG+1: $110.14
MP: $100.00
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is BB with J J
2 folds, MP raises to $3.00, CO folds, BN raises to $9.00, SB folds

Aug. 25, 2019 | 3:28 a.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (9 Players) SB: $216.70
BB: $105.41
UTG: $110.20
UTG+1: $112.29
MP: $129.92 (Hero)
MP+1: $100.00
MP+2: $78.65
CO: $194.48
BN: $100.00
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is MP with Q Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.00, 2 folds, CO calls $3.00, 3 folds
Flop ($7.50) 5 T 4
Hero bets $7.00, CO calls $7.00
Turn ($21.50) 5 T 4 4
Hero bets $20.00, CO calls $20.00
River ($61.50) 5 T 4 4 3
Hero bets $40.00, CO raises to $100.00

Aug. 24, 2019 | 1:32 a.m.

Good point. So I put in a super tight 4bet range. QQ+, AK+. No bluffs. I node locked for V taking his as played line with only QQ, JJ, then another adding AA, then another adding AKs. In all scenarios, Pio takes a similar line. Basically betting everything minus JTs and JJ. Hmm.

Aug. 16, 2019 | 10:46 p.m.

Hopefully those pics went through ok. But its my 3bet, my call 4bet to 2.3x sizing IP, and Vs 4bet.

So when ran in Pio, JTs is a slam dunk bluff, but if adjusted for playing TT-QQ like the line V took, Pio prefers bluffing with any combos left of 99, TT, QQ, QJs, KJs, and KQs.

What do you think of that?

Aug. 16, 2019 | 10:26 p.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (8 Players) MP: $82.97
UTG+1: $168.26
MP+1: $102.63
CO: $138.35
BN: $138.26 (Hero)
SB: $99.00
BB: $103.96
UTG: $124.36
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is BN with J T
3 folds, MP+1 raises to $3.00, CO calls $3.00, Hero raises to $12.00, 2 folds, MP+1 raises to $28.00, CO folds, Hero calls $16.00
Flop ($60.50) K A 3
MP+1 checks, Hero checks
Turn ($60.50) K A 3 3
MP+1 bets $17.00, Hero calls $17.00
River ($94.50) K A 3 3 A
MP+1 checks

Aug. 16, 2019 | 12:16 a.m.

Thanks Dnegs and good advice on x/c sizing comment.

Surprisingly Pio doesn't mind donking 2/5 pot with my particular combo. Its indifferent from a EV perspective between checking and leading, although suggest checking 60% and leading 40%. It mostly checks 8d8x.

I don't have it in front of me, but Pio actually has the equity and EV swing into the OPs favor on this turn. My guess is because are range in more condensed to overpairs, sets, and flushes where V has a decent amount of Ax combos since he's betting nearly range on flop.

Not sure in reality if having a donking range really makes sense though.

Pio does mostly like x/c with majority of range even to larger sizing.

Aug. 8, 2019 | 1:30 p.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (9 Players) UTG: $218.55
MP: $99.00
UTG+1: $126.41
MP+1: $94.15
MP+2: $119.55 (Hero)
CO: $82.95
BN: $115.86
SB: $61.41
BB: $109.69
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is MP+2 with 8 8
UTG folds, MP calls $1.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.00, CO folds, BN raises to $13.00, 2 folds, MP folds, Hero calls $9.00
Flop ($28.50) 5 6 2
Hero checks, BN bets $10.54, Hero calls $10.54
Turn ($49.58) 5 6 2 7
Hero

Aug. 8, 2019 | 2:39 a.m.

Yes this hand would have to be categorized as a bluff, but I am saying I believe he thinks he had the best hand and was showing me that I made a good fold.

Aug. 7, 2019 | 6:43 p.m.

Good points guys, thanks.

You guys sniffed it out. I idiotically throw Aces into the muck and V shows JTo presumably to show he wasn't bluffing

Sigh, I have such a long way to go in my study. Back to it I go.

Aug. 7, 2019 | 4:55 p.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (8 Players) UTG: $112.42
MP: $96.50
UTG+1: $106.30
MP+1: $49.75
CO: $177.18 (Hero)
BN: $100.00
SB: $179.63
BB: $89.90
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is CO with A A
2 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.00, MP+1 folds, Hero raises to $4.00, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $3.00
Flop ($9.50) J 6 8
UTG+1 bets $6.00, Hero calls $6.00
Turn ($21.50) J 6 8 2
UTG+1 bets $20.00, Hero calls $20.00
River ($61.50) J 6 8 2 8
UTG+1 bets $76.30 and is all in

Aug. 7, 2019 | 2:30 a.m.

Thanks guys. The preflop sizing is a easy fix.

Surprised no one has mentioned 88 or 22 in range? Seems very reasonable. Also on AK, as I mentioned people generally play more passive in this pool and BTN has been showing that trait.

July 11, 2019 | 7:27 p.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (9 Players) MP+2: $95.00
CO: $100.00
BN: $208.95
SB: $44.00
BB: $100.00 (Hero)
UTG: $140.12
UTG+1: $90.23
MP: $143.67
MP+1: $117.23
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is BB with J K
5 folds, CO raises to $3.00, BN calls $3.00, SB calls $2.50, Hero raises to $15.00, CO calls $12.00, BN calls $12.00, SB calls $12.00
Flop ($60.00) Q 8 2
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BN checks
Turn ($60.00) Q 8 2 K
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BN bets $28.50, SB folds, Hero calls $28.50, CO calls $28.50
River ($145.50) Q 8 2 K 6
Hero checks

July 11, 2019 | 2:13 a.m.

So, IMO, the 'classic sizing' is something I've seen bad players do consistently in this type of situation. It's almost always strong, but not nutted hands. The V is usually signaling they are worried about something, but know there hand is still strong. It's also very common in live poker.

Second, me raising 3x or 4x wouldn't necessarily put me in a tough spot at all. Easy call, but yes not ideal. The point of course is we have a ton of equity, and have potentially 2 solid opportunities to push V off hand given he signaled weakness with bet sizing.

The two big variables is the % of folds I can get from V and the % of time SB V has a nutted hand and thus the reason for my post.

July 8, 2019 | 11:39 p.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (9 Players) MP: $111.76
MP+1: $94.50
MP+2: $100.00
CO: $93.20
BN: $168.84 (Hero)
SB: $94.08
BB: $100.00
UTG: $71.83
UTG+1: $100.00
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is BN with A J
2 folds, MP raises to $2.00, MP+1 folds, MP+2 calls $2.00, CO folds, Hero calls $2.00, SB calls $1.50, BB folds
Flop ($9.00) 6 K T
SB checks, MP bets $6.41, MP+2 folds, Hero calls $6.41, SB calls $6.41
Turn ($28.23) 6 K T J
SB checks, MP bets $8.00

July 8, 2019 | 12:07 a.m.

Blinds: $0.50/$1.00 (8 Players) MP: $119.60
MP+1: $94.00
CO: $141.09
BN: $105.85 (Hero)
SB: $44.70
BB: $31.18
UTG: $351.81
UTG+1: $113.68
Preflop ($1.50) Hero is BN with Q Q
UTG calls $1.00, UTG+1 calls $1.00, 2 folds, CO raises to $5.50, Hero raises to $15.00, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $9.50
Flop ($33.50) 3 3 K
CO checks, Hero checks
Turn ($33.50) 3 3 K J
CO bets $18.92

July 3, 2019 | 2:52 a.m.

So I did fold river, which I realize is against GTO or any analytical solution of any kind, but the K on the river reduces his spazz range (KQ) given how tight/passive he has been.

I think though, to Jeffs pt, if we are going to make a exploitative, nitty fold here it needs to be on turn.

June 28, 2019 | 7:40 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (8 Players) BN: $83.64
SB: $50.04
BB: $75.79
UTG: $22.32
UTG+1: $56.41 (Hero)
MP: $56.82
MP+1: $83.11
CO: $47.25
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is UTG+1 with A Q
BB folds, UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.00, MP calls $2.00, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.50
Flop ($6.75) 7 6 3
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP checks
Turn ($6.75) 7 6 3 Q
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.50, MP folds, UTG raises to $10.00, Hero calls $5.50
River ($26.75) 7 6 3 Q K
UTG bets $10.32 and is all in

June 27, 2019 | 11:36 p.m.

Folding flop 36% of time, turn 31% of time

June 26, 2019 | 11:04 p.m.

Also, sorry I forget to mention in reference to my second question, I was referring to the turn play there.

June 25, 2019 | 7:08 p.m.

I see what your saying, but if EVs so close, why is Pio so skewed towards a fold on the flop vs. say 55-60% fold and the remainder call? That's what I don't understand.

June 25, 2019 | 7:07 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (5 Players) BB: $43.03
UTG: $51.50
CO: $52.21 (Hero)
BN: $48.75
SB: $47.49
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is CO with A T
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $4.75, Hero calls $3.25
Flop ($9.75) 6 Q Q
BB bets $3.14, Hero calls $3.14
Turn ($16.03) 6 Q Q J
BB bets $7.62

June 25, 2019 | 1:18 a.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (2 Players) SB: $48.56 (Hero)
BB: $52.24
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is SB with A J
BB raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.00
Flop ($3.00) 3 4 7
Hero checks, BB bets $2.85, Hero calls $2.85
Turn ($8.70) 3 4 7 T
Hero checks, BB checks
River ($8.70) 3 4 7 T 8
Hero checks, BB bets $4.14

June 14, 2019 | 2:20 a.m.

Hand History | Seed2Shade posted in NLHE: 50NL. Which rivers are you bluffing here?
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (8 Players) CO: $33.67
BN: $62.27
SB: $37.68
BB: $57.24 (Hero)
UTG: $47.23
UTG+1: $25.25
MP: $18.20
MP+1: $65.76
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5 6
3 folds, MP+1 raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.00
Flop ($3.25) 8 2 Q
Hero checks, MP+1 bets $2.05, Hero calls $2.05
Turn ($7.35) 8 2 Q 7
Hero checks, MP+1 bets $4.00, Hero raises to $12.00, MP+1 calls $8.00
River ($31.35) 8 2 Q 7 7
Hero checks

June 14, 2019 | 2:16 a.m.

Unfortunately I play on a anonymous site and only have played maybe a orbit with this V, so not much info on his tendencies.

June 6, 2019 | 5:12 p.m.

Does anyone make anything of the fairly quick betting each street? It was like 1 second for each bet.

June 6, 2019 | 5:04 p.m.

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