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jungleman you realize you were reviewing Tom Dwan's footage? Now he's ready to resume the match with this analysis....be prepared.

Sept. 20, 2021 | 9:32 p.m.

O just confused because I thought we were discussing SBvsBB. OP3bet is a different animal.

Aug. 13, 2021 | 6:14 p.m.

Haha no problem. I guess I'm just saying not understanding how OP can polarize for large on low card boards SBvsBB (with expectations) specifically the 764 you referenced. In general, IP will have more draws and slight nut advantage (though not always true).

Aug. 13, 2021 | 4:21 p.m.

Some funny ones in this one (#52s) :)

Nice vid Gary

Aug. 12, 2021 | 10:31 p.m.

Thanks for the response.

Totally understand the AKx boards. Makes sense. But the low card ones and specifically the one you referenced not understanding how OP can bet large/polarized when the overpairs edge is whittled down so much given IP wonderful connection with this board?

Aug. 12, 2021 | 9:54 p.m.

Hey Luke. @42.30 you mentioned that it doesn't make sense to de-polarize vs a range that checks a lot. I get it on these low paired boards, but does it not make sense to quasi de-polarize for block sizing often on low card boards IP SBvsBB? Meaning, since OP checks these boards often we can benefit by blocking and getting random air to fold but also our mediocre 1 pairs can extra value from stronger overcards and weaker pairs.

When I look over all low card flops (~250 flops) SRP SBvsBB, OP checks nearly 3/4 of the time and IP response is predominantly block betting around 60% of range.

Aug. 10, 2021 | 4:40 p.m.

This Pinnock guy is a classic con artist of sorts. Agree with Tyler's advice.

"Thomas Pinnock is a math whiz and Upswing member turned GTO wizard. "

Check out his patented "Pinnock's Razor" theorem:

https://www.zenithpoker.com/the-50-rule-of-poker/

Aug. 6, 2021 | 3:55 p.m.

Great 1st vid Max. Welcome aboard!

July 31, 2021 | 12:21 p.m.

Thanks for the vid as always Luke. What where these ranges based off of in terms of sizing? Meaning are these BTN raise 2x, BB 3bet 5x or BTN raise 2.5x, BB 4.25x, etc, etc.

July 19, 2021 | 11:12 p.m.

I did give large raise sizing. This was a while ago so don't fully remember but I think I made it equilivant to 133% cbet sizing if checked too.

July 6, 2021 | 10:06 p.m.

Yes ctrlplay.

Tyler. I guess I was asking would you play a strategy against pool of x/r small freq of Kx? Obv it has Pio approval but just wondering how it works in the real battlefield. It seems to be propelled by IP calling mix frequencies of weaker Kx and under pairs through river otherwise not a viable strategy.

July 2, 2021 | 6:54 p.m.

@25m

Hey Tyler. Top notch material as always. :) You discussed OP lack of strong value on this board texture which is of course right but what do you think about solvers strategy of having small frequencies of TP for x/r value? A suggestion often used in SRP, can be tricky to play on certain run outs.

July 1, 2021 | 10:45 p.m.

Hey Gary. Thanks for the video. Always enjoy the 10,000ft view comments (RNG, playing recs, preflop sizings, etc). Find a lot of value in them. Have a good one.

June 18, 2021 | 1:33 p.m.

Haha, just referring to the 10% donk sizing. I'm more a low stakes donk :)

I get that. I'm saying this small donk sizing on the turn is prevalent even in non-paired situations and many more than one would think. For instance, look up Ks7d2c3c. Solver chooses the micro donk 50% of range post a block on flop from IP. I went off and tried many others boards and it is used very often. I have IP with many raise sizings too. It's odd. I guess OP is just so condensed while IP has much more air and OP doesn't get punished from IP nut advantage since its such a small lead. Idk.

May 16, 2021 | 11:59 a.m.

I've jumped off into a micro donk deep dive for all flops. Solver loves using this sizing in SRP very very often. Like a lot. Even when controlling for larger IP raise sizings. On boards most wouldn't think like K723. Lots of blank turn donks. Even when IP bets large on flop. Is this because OP range so condensed while IP has more air? It completely changes sim since when OP checks (if playing micro donk strategy), IP doesn't overbet nearly as much which is another odd conclusion. Do you implement this into your game on this widespread basis or on just more obvious spots like the hand in this video?

May 15, 2021 | 1:23 p.m.

Formats great Luke but honestly most your formats have been great. So I'm indifferent to what type of vids you do. Just keep em coming!

@50m. I get solver suggest micro donk block but what's the point of adding complexing to your game for such a sliver of EV gain? V folds very little to it and raises large (should be) quite often leading to OP having a similar defense then if x and IP cbet large. Also, it’s interesting that if you do a sim with the donk sizing and one with not, IP’s raise donk on former and cbet on latter range are like carbon copies of each other.

May 10, 2021 | 9:18 p.m.

Sorry who's Stefan?

May 6, 2021 | 3:14 p.m.

Hey Tyler. Noticed you used a ~600 combo open for IP. If raising 3.5x shouldn't this be more narrowed? Otherwise IP could get back handed across their face to aggressive 3bets from blinds given risk/reward to do so starts to become mouthwatering.

May 5, 2021 | 11:43 p.m.

I've figured out a shoving over RFI strategy that is very good. Maybe we can exchange strategies??

Haha, jk. Understandable.

May 3, 2021 | 3:10 p.m.

Been enjoying your content Luke, been a great addition to RIO.

My curiosity is too strong. Tell me if I am hot or cold at least!

The min IP 3bet, SB RFI works since opponents just play their charts or don't think about the correct deviation from them coupled with your exclusive study of postflop sims of this scenario gives you additional EV coins allowing you to offset the in a vacuum lost EV from deviating from optimal sizing?

April 28, 2021 | 5:19 p.m.

Why would anyone flat with a set on such a wet, connected board in a 3way? Even if so, shoving turn with set would eliminate rest of these combos.

Yes I can have straights. K9, 89 for sure. Regardless I think pool would check back 2pair and sets on this board at decent clip on river.

Thanks for looking into your database. But I'm assuming you didn't filter for a 3 way with this type of configuration since that sample size would likely be counted on one hand. With a short stack V that can re-open action post a call from OR changes the situation greatly.

April 22, 2021 | 1:41 p.m.

Only 150 hands on V btw. Seemed reggy, not much of a read yet.

April 22, 2021 | 11:45 a.m.

But here's the thing, V can only really have a few value combos here. Clearly only repping a straight (I highly doubt a set gets to this river configuration and if does may choose to check back some of the time).

So question is how many straight combos can V have? I think very very few. 89 if it even calls raise on flop (with rec behind who can reopen action) likely shoves turn. So AcKc, Kc9c, maybe some of the other K9 but I highly doubt it again given 3 way dynamic on flop.

How many bluff combos? A lot more than value. Lots of Ax of clubs KQ, maybe KJ, J9. Agree that maybe underbluffed in the sense pool doesn't find these bluffs but it would only take a bluffing a few of these combos for me to have a must call.

April 22, 2021 | 11:44 a.m.

April 22, 2021 | 2:30 a.m.

Yea but Tyler he's 7 value levels ahead of you. He's living in a 7 dimensional value-town universe your in a puny 3 (well 4 technically).

:)

April 22, 2021 | 2:24 a.m.

6:30m. You know poker is dead when recreationals are "7 levels ahead" of Tyler Forrester :)

April 21, 2021 | 11:48 p.m.

17m. Wouldn't low Ax hands make for a decent bluff catcher as they have the whole package of blocking value and unblocking bluffs vs a AT/AJ type hand which only is participating in the former? Like I would imagine V would be bluffing 6x (some 56/67) and like QJ/JT type stuff. And assuming you do some x/r on flop, you shouldn't have that many combos of 2pair+.

April 18, 2021 | 12:52 p.m.

Not at all teuness! Seriously some crappy run outs. Never seen the nuts turned to trash so quickly so many times.

April 13, 2021 | 10:11 p.m.

Great vid Mark :) @10:30 you talk about shoving QQ sometimes BTNvsBB. I know simulations show its fine. But EV diff is essentially 0 so why erode your positional advantage especially since I'm assuming your one better 500z players? Why not keep your skill edge in tact by forcing opponent to play 4bet pot OP which is a tricky thing to master or 3bet pot OP?

April 6, 2021 | 10:54 p.m.

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One of the reasons I love RI2 so much is the academic, professional manner of the site. So many other sites are full of hatred, ego, and bickering. There's just no need for this type of aggression as its 1) unhelpful at getting better at poker, 2) creates a negative stench that can last days, 3) is unnecessary negatively in what has been a tough year+ for us all.

Bringing up what Saulo has done in the past is just such a negative unnecessary action. He's apologized about it before. Its literally a big fat X on all 3 points above.

I back Saulo fully as a good coach. Win rates can be misleading and manipulated so I don't need to see that. I feel if one has a decent understanding of the game you can figure out if a coach adds value to your game or not. Also, the higher the win rate doesn't mean the better coach you are. There are many examples of this in other professions.

March 18, 2021 | 4:32 p.m.

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