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Congrats on the win! Looking forward to the solver breakdowns in the next video.

6:00 this was an interesting and tough spot. I probably fold the flop. If you were in this exact spot 30 and 100bb deep how would you handle it? I ran into a spot almost exactly the same and for me at the 35bb stack I would consider a jam but now I think I would call. At 100bb I also would call.

56:48 you said live with bb ante is much different than online with regular antes. Is it the pot size that creates the difference? Is the difference big enough to really shift rngs?


Aug. 10, 2022 | 11:31 p.m.

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Are you able to have flatting rngs vs utg or ep from other positions besides btn, like lj or hj when 15-20bb deep?

Aug. 10, 2022 | 6:14 p.m.

Excellent series!

4:50 you talk about 2pr that cannot improve can be xr/folded. With our opponent having a shorter stack do we want to fold? Isn't xr folding 2pr wasting the hand and we are better off xr calling?

At a deeper spr would xc be a better line?

Same hand on the river can we chk for sdv then xr bluff if he bets?

19:40 table 5 if we chk back flop and turn is a brick is our hand strong enough to call with what is basically bare queens?


Aug. 10, 2022 | 2:47 a.m.

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Nice review!

4:35 you flatted a raise from btn vs co with 17bb. What is the shortest stack you can have and still flat raises? Do you only flat from the btn when short? Will you flat from the btn vs utg rngs as well?


Aug. 10, 2022 | 2:06 a.m.

Great vid. All of the hrc sims were very helpful.

First hand kjo you said if opponent had bet flop bigger we would have more of a decision on our river vbet. Would you even chk river at some freq vs a big flop bet?

28:00 you talk about not wanting a limp rng b vs b at 18bb eff. Why is that? Is it because of icm?

At what eff stack size do we stop having a limp rng?

At chip ev with 18bb eff do you still have a limp rng?


Aug. 9, 2022 | 11:54 p.m.

This live play vid was well done.

22:40 table 4 what is the btm of your suited connector rng for opening utg? I find I get into trouble with anything worse than t9.

28:10 table 4 with tt do you like checking the turn a lot? Do you feel opponent is somewhat uncapped after checking flop? I would want to bet turn with tt vs a rng that I think is at least a little capped.


Aug. 8, 2022 | 11:19 p.m.

One of the things I learned from studying big o is that it is not about what you have now but what you are likely to end up with. Seems like that applies a fair bit to plo as well.

Aug. 8, 2022 | 4:43 p.m.

Again, thanks for your thorough responses. I appreciate the detail.

Regarding the kk with the diamond, I think it is my holdem mind leading me to think that I block rivered back door flushes which increases the value of our hand and perhaps gives us a bluff xr opportunity. We also block some of his bluffing rng too however. I am clearly over valuing that card. I suppose I also don't like giving up on hands.

Aug. 8, 2022 | 5:35 a.m.

That helps a lot. Your statement "sometimes true understanding lies in knowing that there is no definite answer" is enlightening. As you say, we strive for pin point accuracy with rngs and frequencies but ultimately it is just a combination of reads, math and just making a choice and whatever happens, happens.

Aug. 7, 2022 | 9:39 a.m.

Icmizer doesn't present fold, small 3bet, call and jam rngs as far as I know. It is strictly push/fold/call rngs. It seems more limited than hrc.

Aug. 7, 2022 | 9:31 a.m.

Thanks for the great response amd the monker screen shots! Regarding the 2pr hand, so basically in this spot the nut flush blockers real value comes from blocking the xr rng of our opponent rather than the bluff possibilities it gives us? And if we do bluff we are just looking to unblock his fold rng which is essentially top pr hands?

How do you keep so many blocker and suit heuristics straight in your head when actually playing?

I ended up with a couple more questions.

36:38 table 2 another overpr but we also have a diamond blocker that we end up folding on turn. This seems like an overfold to me especially hu.

45:09 table 2 why do we want to chk back the straight sometimes against a good player? Is it strictly to balance our chk rng or induce a river bluff? Is it to avoid a xr? To me, with one card to come, I want to get value now vs his made hands and draws.


Aug. 7, 2022 | 9:29 a.m.

This was a great format. Definitely learned a lot!

5:00 table 2 should we size up when betting this turn or are we able to value bet a more linear rng?

12:45 table 2 we xf flop. These spots are always confusing to me when we have dry overprs oop. Often I see spots where we mostly xf or bf and that is the extent of our options. It is a huge shift from holdem. Overprs seem to have very little value in plo.

31:30 table 2 we chk back with top and bottom, overpr and nut flush blocker. This is an interesting spot because on one hand our 2pr is weaker and we want to pot control, but on the other we have the nut flush blocker and can find interesting spots to bluff on clubs if we bet flop and want to barrel through.


Aug. 6, 2022 | 9:27 p.m.

All of the icm sims were really helpful. What is your opinion on hrc vs icmizer? Thanks.

Aug. 5, 2022 | 11:35 p.m.

Great review. It helped to see the ups and downs you faced but you still kept going and didn't give up.

26:00 opponent barrels turn with 88. Seems over aggressive.

40:30 where you talk about not bluffing every spot is something you and I talked about before and addressed in the masculine/feminine vid. In this spot with 56 you chose not to take a potentially +ev line on tje river. It is the "why" that trips me up. Why no to this spot or why yes to that spot? How much do explotitive reads play into your decision to take a bluff spot? I am still trying to find my way with this.

47:17 you 3bet aqo vs 37bb stack. Are you calling if he jams? If not, would we prefer to call pre instead?


Aug. 5, 2022 | 2:25 a.m.

Excellent video! All the pausing is a big part of what makes this video great because you are taking the time to go in depth. It's appreciated!

5:45 you talk about how if you would feel bad if you lose after making a big play then you feel a tilt factor and so you won't make the play. I get like that as well but I worry that I am mixing up the possibility of feeling bad with just fear of losing. If that happens then I may not pull the trigger in a spot that I should. How do you balance that and make sure you aren't passing up on +ev spots?

16:42 table 4 you said opponent can't always afford to bet a flush on turn or bet big on river. Is this purely a function of a deep spr? If spr was smaller can he bet more often and bigger because he can stack off easier?

29:50 table 2 you mention we can xr on a turn card that benefits ip so much. Don't we risk getting our xr slammed back in our face? I can't see us being able to call that.

Same hand you said you should bluff river. Should it be an overbet?


Aug. 4, 2022 | 11:42 p.m.

Well done video. I learned a lot. Normally a 6 table review is impossible for me to follow but the way you stop and rewind makes it easy.

17:30 table 3 if we had a heart, preferably a high heart, can we cbet?

21:30 table 6 you talk about raising kj88 as it is a weaker hand. Would this be a value/protection raise or a bluff? Would we look to barrel it off on a lot of runouts as a bluff to fold.o out overprs?


Aug. 4, 2022 | 2:24 a.m.

Learned a lot in this video.

18:25 the way I understand this spot is that with the ATsc his bluff raise of your river bet is good as he blocks nutted hands and can push you off some flushes but once you 3bet the raise you are fully polar to boats and maybe nut flushes and bluffs and so blocking the nut flush becomes irrelevant and he just blocks the cards you would use to bluff with. Is that correct?

19:10 is it standard to get so many callers pre at 1k nl?


Aug. 4, 2022 | 12:07 a.m.

Nice to see you put out some mtt content. Looking forward to the rest.

First hand you talked about the oversized sb. I have never thought about that. I also never considered how it should impact my sb rngs. Glad to know now!

Aug. 3, 2022 | 12:13 a.m.

Yeah sometimes with certain concepts I will have trouble grasping them so I end up asking similar questions for a different hand. Certain things spin me in circles. Suit dynamics do it to me in holdem so I have probably asked Luke Johnson the same questions over and over hoping to make the light bulb go on. :)

Aug. 2, 2022 | 11:34 p.m.

I got a lot out of this video.

7:10 you talk about a heuristic you use for knowing when to bet big. You have talked about other hueristics in other videos and I find them really helpful. Maybe a video with a compilation of the most important hueristics you use would be good to see.

40:00 you said with the Ah you fold more and without you call more. Is this because with the Ah you block his bluff rng making him more value heavy so you fold more? But with the Ah don't we gain the ability to bluff heart rivers if need be so we prefer to have the Ah to call?


Aug. 2, 2022 | 11:30 p.m.

Good to see a new video! Not being exact on 6 max rngs doesn't take away from your overall knowledge of plo. Still so much to learn from you.

Looking forward to the next part but if you have some tourney footage from the wsop that you can do post play analysis on that would be great to see.

20:05 table 1 if we faced a cbet can our hand xr?

22:25 table 2 you said you don't like to xr a dry set on a wet board. Are you looking to cc to "draw" to a safe turn then put in a lot of money?


Aug. 2, 2022 | 2:51 a.m.

Interesting look at this theory. In these river spots I tend to think a lot about whether I block his call or bluff rng, whether my rng has a lot of bluffs, and whether either of us has capped our rng.

At 21:15 you showed that when you have blockers to their bad hands you prefer to xr which seems counter intuitive because if they bluff those air hands and we block them then it would seem we should lead more. Maybe that applies to actual hands more than the toy game? These deep theory dives run me in circles sometimes :)

Aug. 2, 2022 | 12:31 a.m.

Great run and thanks for the heads up footage!

10:00 in addition to not having spades to barrel, would we also prefer to not have a club to unblock his back door floats that fold now?

16:30 do you ever call aa here to trap? Was bb playing too tight to make that work?

21:15 these are spots where I give up a lot and maybe I shouldn't. However, we have the sb raising oop vs a stack that can cripple him in a high icm spot with a very short stack still in so his rng should be tighter. And we are only drawing to a non nut gutter on a 2 flush board with no overcards to draw to. I just fold rather than float.


Aug. 1, 2022 | 11:39 p.m.

I really got a lot out of this in the way you profile and build reads. Very helpful!

24:03 table 3 66 I am surprised we don't just barrel here with the nut and rng adv. My understanding is solver will turn those smaller pocket pairs into bluffs. Would it be better if we had a club or spade?


Aug. 1, 2022 | 12:56 a.m.

Congrats on the finish. Really got a lot out of this series!

Aug. 1, 2022 | 12:54 a.m.

Excellent video!

13:00 you talked about wanting to xc with mid sets with no extra eq and xr when they have it. Wouldn't we want to xr with no extra eq on wetter boards in order to get more value and from the draws that are out and "protect" our hand?

However you also said that dry middle sets that unblock draws want to xr as they have worse playability which sort goes with my theory above.

Do we ever xc dry sets on wet boards to "draw" to a safe turn card then apply pressure? This is a concept that is used a fair bit in plo8/big o.


Aug. 1, 2022 | 12:54 a.m.

Great vid! 14:15 what is the bottom of your rejam rng? I would think 77+, ajs+. Borderline hands seem kqs, ats, ajo. Maybe I am too here here?

27:00 j8s you open due to how tight bb is playing but you seem priced in to call a jam. Seems like a marginal spot.


Aug. 1, 2022 | 12:51 a.m.

Great review! 8:15 I think his line seems inbalanced unless you know him to be a strong reg. He bets many kx and flush draws on the turn as well as sets. I think if he had a diamond his bluff may be better.

Aug. 1, 2022 | 12:49 a.m.

Great series!

14:50 you mention for chips the tt is a 3bet stack off but flatting could be ok in this spot. To me flatting always makes these spots tough because are you giving up on flops with an overcard? Are floating the flop and folding to turn jams? I think flatting opens us up to get bluffed.
How do you play 99-77 in these spots?


July 25, 2022 | 4:20 p.m.

A lot of food for thought in this video. I certainly took some interesting things away from this not just regarding poker but understanding family as well.

With poker, I think this video is somewhat telling me to focus more on the exploititve aspects as I try to be very solver driven.

I guess Brynn Kenney might have been right all along about the shamans haha.

July 23, 2022 | 12:31 a.m.

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