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Comment | SoundSpeed commented on Intro to Stud 8

Thanks for the responses, Brian! Unfortunately the ppt link is not working.

March 28, 2023 | 9:20 p.m.

Thank you for taking the time to thoroughly answer my questions!

March 28, 2023 | 12:52 a.m.

Excellent video!

7:50 in chillolinis spot, if you have a premium 1 card draw after the first draw goes 1 1 and it checks to him do you always bet it? Are you treating it like badugi where you bet your best tris for value? I have always thought we chk back in a 1 1 where we are unimproved.

8:45 with the extra blockers you saw can you xr the river?

14:45 if after the second draw you faced a xr with your 87532 do you break?

17:55 you said in a non raked game you can call in the bb and take 4 vs opp who can raise 3 card draws. So in a tourney is that something we can do? Do you only do it in sb vs bb spots?

26:30 if against an aggressive opponent can you bluff catch the 74332?

32:47 After the first draw of 3 3 we check and he improved to a 2 card draw and checked back. Should he generally bet there

33:05 same hand as above you said you would cc and take 1. The draw was 3 2 and we improved to a 1 card draw. Wouldn't we want to lead?

Same spot above, you also said you were considering a xr. If so, were you going to pat and snow?

With wsop coming soon any 8 or 9 game or stud hi would be great.


March 24, 2023 | 11:58 p.m.

Hi Tyler,

16:00 I know you felt you should have bet turn however that turn card seems to help bb more with sets and 2pr and he likely has more 2s and 7s. If you were to bet turn would you go polar and look for psb or bigger?

A part 2 to this would be great. Thanks!

March 22, 2023 | 6:03 p.m.

Hi Emty,

1:25 table 2 9873ds would you open if the 3 were a 4 or better?

3:40 table 2 987t if 100bb deep do you consider folding turn?

6:12 table 1 akq8 is that strong enough to 3bet 9f co had raised instead of limped?

30:50 table 1 aqt9 do you ever include these wraps in a xr rng?

Looking forward to the next part. Thanks!

March 21, 2023 | 7:14 p.m.

Nice review. The last hand pio review, if it were a single raised pot instead such as sb vs bb or mp vs btn, would the turn barrel size then want to be the smaller bet?


March 21, 2023 | 6:39 p.m.

Congrats on tue win! All of the icm sims were very helpful.

11:40 do you see these min 3bets at such short stack sizes in chip ev spots as well?

33:22 do you like opponents check back with j8 on the river?


March 20, 2023 | 6:49 p.m.

Thanks for the thorough review! This kind of content is what makes a great coach and you have done this a few times in the past. Thank you!

14:00 it is always interesting to me how the solver determines whether we bluff with the busted front door or back door draw. That is one thing I have yet to see a pattern on.

54:35 does qt, q8, a3 call more than 88 simply because they block opponents sets?


March 18, 2023 | 5:20 a.m.

Great analysis!

These are spots where in a cash game I am more likely to make the call but in a tourney, even early in the tourney I will lean toward folding. Is there merit to taking lower variance lines even early in a tourney or should it just be chip ev decisions when you are deep stacked early on?


March 17, 2023 | 2:26 a.m.

Learning a lot from these reviews!

1:40 table 2 jj98 what is the bottom of the jj range jere? jj98ds, jjt9 rainbow or ss?

19:50 table 2 kk62ss if the positions were co open and we are btn with the same stack sizes does that change our action?

25:10 table 1 8833 if you cbet flop do you only double barrel turns that give us blockers with the 88?

E8:45 table 2 akqt without the ks would it be better to chk back?


March 17, 2023 | 12:25 a.m.

Really like this format as well as the videos you have made where you go through many hands in a quicker pace.

First hand if the ace wasn't suited should this hand be a fold? The 3 card rundown under the ace has two top gaps so it seems weak to me.

13:15 bet folding the nfd seems so counter intuitive to me especially coming from nlh where a lot of fd are checked to avoid a xr. Is bet folding the nfd a common thing in plo?

21:53 you show kk qq likes to barrel turn. Are these stricly bet folds? Do you make exploitive adjustments and call down sometimes or is that generally punting?

41:25 another nfd fold spot. You talk about pot/folding a223 a334 with nut clubs. To my holdem mind pot folding nfd+gutter+tp seems like a massive eq punt. If we are bet folding then maybe just checking back would be better despite river playability. But at 42:23 it shows us checking back aqt8 with q high fd. Does the q kicker make that big of a difference in sdv such that we don't want to get xr off but a332 with the added gutter and nfd eq we don't mind getting xr off?

It all seems so counter intuitive to me. But that is why I am watching and learning from you :)


March 16, 2023 | midnight

Not sure what you have been told about your speaking but your content is always top level. Keep doing what you are doing with or without the solver work. I have learned a tremendous amount from you and I always look forward to your videos. Dont change anything.

March 15, 2023 | 1:45 a.m.

Wouldn't mind seeing more b vs b theory. The summary tables at the end were very helpful!

March 14, 2023 | 6:55 p.m.

15:50 I was just thinking that if we call a raise predraw and the draw goes 2 2 and we improve to a 1 card draw but our opponent bets I would just call all of my 1 card draws and never raise. Since my opponent is repping a 1 card draw (which may or may not be better than ours) or is pat it is better to call. Is it bad to do that? Should we have a raise range with non pat hands?

29:18 I thought predraw it went limp/check so I thought we would always bet if we improved.

March 14, 2023 | 5:36 p.m.

Nice that you covered this concept!

I have seen some sims on these spots and it seems if we chk flop as pfr solvers don't like to raise draws much on leads from opponent.

Solver also doesn't seem to like to raise decent draws vs double barrel when we are the pre flop caller.

Are these patterns you have noticed?

It seems a lot of these plays will end up being exploititive in nature rather than gto. Would you say that?

4:45 can we have a xr here on the flop as well?

7:35 do you fire brick rivers if called on turn?

8:55 you said you would jam any river if called. Our blockers seem bad for a river jam so is that based on the weakness he has shown with his turn sizing?


March 14, 2023 | 4:11 a.m.

Appreciate you also explaining the type of reads and notes you would take.

13:30 are these calls with a pair of 2s somewhat standard in full ring btn vs bb?

What about oogee raising on the river instead of calling?

15:50 you talked about how some players in 2-2 spots will raise a bet when they improve to a 1 card draw but they will be unbalanced. Is it ok to just call rng in spots where you improve but you drew the same number of cards as your opponent?

29:18 first draw was 3 3 and you improved to a 2 card draw but checked. Shouldn't it normally be a bet?

Looking forward to part 2. Any stud hi or 8 game coming up?


March 13, 2023 | 11:47 p.m.

I prefer the after session analysis as you can go a bit deeper on the analysis. Having siad that, it was nice to see your raw, in the moment thought process.

11:35 table 3 9864 if bb had not jammed but folded instead, can you call this wrap vs psb on a 2 tone board?


March 13, 2023 | 6:43 p.m.

Nice review! I noticed you called hero 'villain' a few times. Maybe a little jab over the soup controversy ;). Great run so far, Soup.

Ryan, in the early stages of tourneys, maybe moreso live, do you favor 3x or even bigger for your open sizing? In the live events I play it is almost standard to go 3 or 4x.

4:30 I wonder if we should use mostly block here and go more linear in our value rng?


March 13, 2023 | 6:37 p.m.

Great video! Very good concept to cover.

Really cool last hand. I think from opponents point of view you could have some 5x that he wants to bluff out on the river. When you raise he could also use the same logic you did in that you likely would have semibluffed flop or turn with straight or flush draws so you have less of those combos on the river. Either way, interesting hand!

March 10, 2023 | 11:35 p.m.

Great vide, Tyler!

3:05 table 1 kqo do you incorporate these offsuit broadways into a 3bet range?

42:27 table 2 44 what is the lowest pair you call the 3bet with?

45:35 table 2 kq do you ever use this hand as a 4bet bluff?

47:35 table 1 88 if you were significantly deeper do you pure call the 3bet?

51:46 table 2 j9 you said a small bet on these boards doesn't make sense. Can you expand on that a bit?


March 9, 2023 | 2:02 a.m.

Appreciate this video. Turn barreling in srp and 3bet pots have been a subject of deeper study for me recently as I struggle a bit with it. Triple barreling is even tougher for me.

2:23 you mention if you bet big on flop you prefer a psb on turn but if you block flop you go 150 or 175 psb. If the flop size is bigger then ranges are more polarized on turn so wouldn't we want to go bigger on turn?


March 8, 2023 | 7:36 p.m.

Comment | SoundSpeed commented on Intro to Stud 8

Thank you for continuing the mixed content!

3:30 I always thought that on 4th when 2 players catch identical cards action starts to the left of where the btn would be.

7:15 the online version of ppt gave syntax help. Is there a way to get that help with the downloaded version? I cannot find it if there is.

Regarding other places to play low stakes, mgm and golden nugget had a loy of offerings last summer during the series. The structures aren't the greatest but they are good for practice.

Thanks Brian!

March 8, 2023 | 12:34 a.m.

Great video Alex!

00:50 you mention calling kjo vs lp open is better than 3bet. Do you use offsuit broadways as 3bet bluffs vs earlier positions or if we are both in earlier positions?

18:40 should opponent favor a block size on the turn rather than jam or even a chk?


March 7, 2023 | 8:05 p.m.

Great live play!

1:00 table 2 aq84 this seems like a loose open with the 8 seemingly like a total dangler.

1:18 table 1 8764ss if this 1 gap rundown were higher, like t986, would you open it utg?

6:24 table 2 k652ds I would have thought this was a defend. Was it the raise size that makes it a fold?

14g45 table 1 a433ds you blocked the turn. With our hand, and with our value range in general, wouldn't we want to go at least half pot? It seems like a more polar spot. What value/bluff hands would we put into a block sizing?


March 7, 2023 | 7:34 p.m.

Great review vid. I like the pacing.

First hand what is the preferred action on the turn? I lean towards a xr but I wonder if having the club makes us prefer a cc as we block his draws that will more often fold to a xr.

March 6, 2023 | 7:59 p.m.

Thank you for this! I will take any and all mixed content I can get.

March 6, 2023 | 7:04 p.m.

Great to see a new vid! I think a part 2 to this would be great.

3:00 Our bdfd is weak and we are against a stronger range with the 4bet. Is it ever a thing to xf here?

15:20 if we had a bdfd do we actually prefer to chk back to avoid a xr?

17:00 if we bet this turn and miss river do we keep firing or is the 78 too bad of blockers to have?


March 3, 2023 | 2 a.m.

I liked your explanations and thought process through an exploititive lens. A lot of the vids here are very focused on gto but some of the hands you talked about were based on reads, especially the t8 hand at 27:00, and it was interesting to hear.

28:10 do you feel he should have just called his jj on the turn and fold river, or possibly triple barrel them?

The first vid of yours rio uploaded was a plo vid. It would be cool to see more plo content.


March 2, 2023 | 3:01 a.m.

Cool format. Maybe you could take some of the most interesting hands and do a solver review.

44:40 you mention avrora's overpairs are now doing badly on the Ad river. I wonder how many aces dexx has that made it here. A lot of aj probably jams turn, and since it is the Ad he can't have axdd. Other than the flush coming in I don't think the ace is super bad.


March 1, 2023 | 7:35 p.m.

4:15 when you are talking about unconscious mistakes that exploit player tendencies it was interesting. I was thinking about this the other day at the table when I was going to take a line against a certain player because of what I thought of him. But I pulled back when I thought that it was too far out of line and that I was using the "it is just an exploititive play" as an excuse to do something way outside of theory. I think it might be possible to use that as an excuse to play a little too aggressively, a little too out of line. Do you ever feel that way?


March 1, 2023 | 6:05 a.m.

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