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Comment | check-raise commented on 5-bets sizing

Not even deep. I just checked it.

Snowie plays like this:
BU opens to 2,5bb , SB 3bet to 10bb , BU 4bet 25bb , SB 5bet 40bb , BU jam 100bb, SB fold.

Calling according to Snowie is -10,67bb EV.

April 24, 2021 | 4:32 p.m.

Post | check-raise posted in NLHE: 5-bets sizing


I wonder if we are 100bb deep then 5bet sizing has to be all in, or there is any room for low sizing? I see all the time that people are playing call or jam vs 4bets. Yet PokerSnowie almost always chooses low 5bet, like to 42bb. And even 5bet/fold AKo SB vs BU.

Do you think that this kind of play is so bad that it's better to avoid it, or are you playing 5bet-jam just to simplify your strategy?

Thanks for any comments.

April 24, 2021 | 8:19 a.m.

RaoulFlush you are of course right. I don't know where I got the wrong information about calculating MDF. Thanks for pointing it out.

April 24, 2021 | 8:12 a.m.

Thanks for all the answers.

I guess my question is: So can we just fold JJ here and it's completely fine? Assuming that the unknown villain will not pay attention to us and he will be using the perfect value/bluff ratio for his sizing in this spot. Or should we try to find equilibrium and defend our range according to MDF?

Even if Wizard is calling more than Snowie here ( 28% ) - it's interesting because we are still folding a lot more than we theoretically should, right?

About MDF, I just calculated the villain's required fold equity. It is 58,2%, so if I understand correctly our MDF should be 58,2% as well.

Or this is all about range advantage and that's the reason for folding so much? But again - if we are SB, cannot we just jam 100% of our range every time?

April 23, 2021 | 11:48 a.m.

This is my first post here and something is wrong with a hand.

This is action:

Preflop: UTG opens 3bb, Hero call CO with JJ. SB squezze. UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 3c6cQh pot: 34BB
SB bets 10,66BB, Hero calls.

Turn: 6s pot: 55,32BB
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 2h pot: 55,32BB
SB shoves 77,08BB Hero folds.

April 23, 2021 | 9:21 a.m.


I want to ask a question about MDF on River and PokerSnowie's advice in a certain spot.

I played this hand:

[b]PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players[/b]
[i][url=]Hand converted by PokerTracker 4[/url][/i]

UTG: 247.68 BB
MP: 189.04 BB
[b]Hero (CO): 187.14 BB[/b]
BTN: 108.2 BB
SB: 102.74 BB
BB: 166.16 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

[b]Pre Flop:[/b] [i](pot: 1.5 BB)[/i] [b]Hero[/b] has J:diamond: J:heart:

[color=red]UTG raises to 3 BB[/color], [i]fold[/i], [b]Hero[/b] calls 3 BB, [i]fold[/i], [color=red]SB raises to 15 BB[/color], [i]fold[/i], [i]fold[/i], [b]Hero[/b] calls 12 BB

[b]Flop:[/b] [i](34 BB, 2 players)[/i] 3:club: 6:club: Q:heart:
[color=red]SB bets 10.66 BB[/color], [b]Hero[/b] calls 10.66 BB

[b]Turn:[/b] [i](55.32 BB, 2 players)[/i] 6:spade:
SB checks, [b]Hero[/b] checks

[b]River:[/b] [i](55.32 BB, 2 players)[/i] 2:heart:
[color=red]SB bets 77.08 BB and is all-in[/color], [i]fold[/i]

SB wins 52.56 BB

So in this spot, our MDF is 58,2%.
PokerSnowie range is: JJ, TT and 64% of AQs.
And something I cannot understand is: PokerSnowie is folding here everything, but AQs.

12 combos of JJ-TT - fold. ( calling with JJ would be -35bb EV according to PokerSnowie )
2,64 combos of AQs - call.

So we are calling only 18% of our range instead of 58,2%.

I wonder why is that? Maybe because it is a river and Snowie doesn't know what it is doing? Or this is the correct play? But hard to imagine that this is correct since the villain can just make a shove with the whole range 100% of the time and showing big profit in this spot.
So, in GTO can we call less than MDF on the river and that's OK?

And also what true solvers may say about this hand?

Thanks for any comments and thoughts about this kind of spot.

April 23, 2021 | 9:12 a.m.

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