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Robert, James,

I see I have more to learn than I imagined.

Thanks for your guidance.

May 3, 2014 | 11:54 a.m.

"In your example, pot odds tell you that you should call the turn because you're being given 3-1 on the turn and have a hand than is only a 2-1 dog"

Ops, sorry. But my point remains: Pot odds and GTO can lead to different conclusions.

So, I have to look for a balance between having a profitable chance to win the pot (pot odds) or prevent the opponent from stealing the pot (defending range). And to adjust that balance, I have to work on my starting ranges and confront those ranges with the board cards, as they come.

Is that right?

Thanks,

May 2, 2014 | 4 p.m.

Post | francineider posted in NLHE: Pot Odds or (1-alpha)?

First time poster here.

I am a recreative micro-stakes player.

Some time ago, I was introduced by my son to the Mathematical side of poker, and decided to try to learn more about it.

So, allow me this very basic question:

Books usually teach that, when deciding whether or not to call a bet, we should focus on pot odds. However, GTO brings a different concept: we should call or not based on our range.

Isn't there a contradiction between the two concepts?

Suppose, for example, that, OTT, I hold KcQc on a board Js7c7h2c. 

I have, optmistically, 15 (9 FD, 6 overcards) outs, or about 32% chances to hit on the river. 

Vilain bets 1/2 pot. GTO tells me I should call with 66% of my range which can beat a bluff. Suppose that the actions I took so far indicate KcQc is within that range.

I am in position (does it matter?) and have to decide whether to call or not.

By pot odds, I shouldn't call. By GTO, I should call (GTO doesn't even take pot odds in consideration).

What am I missing here?

Thanks,

May 2, 2014 | 2:10 p.m.

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