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heilenmax

30 points

Hi,

I just solved a 3BetPot spot as the Defender with PIO Solver.

It said that on a board of 3c2h4s a 2.5x check/raise vs a 55%PS Cbet is way more profitable with AdJx than with e.g. AsJd or AcJd. The difference is 0.663->0.038 in EV. Can anybody explain me why that is? Why is that Ad blocker so important?

Btw. I let it run to 0.1785% exploitability of the pot, so it shouldn't be very likely that this is due to unprecise calculations.

Maybe you need the Range I gave the Preflop Agressor: AA-QQ,AKo,AKs,A5s-A2s,[25]AJo,KQo,ATs-A6s,KJs-K8s,K5s,K3s,QJs-Q9s,JTs,T9s[/25],[75]JJ,AQo,AQs[/75],[50]TT,AJs[/50],[15]99,ATo-A9o,K7s-K6s,K4s,K2s,Q8s,J9s,T8s,97s,86s,75s,64s[/15],[33]KQs,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s[/33] (It's in the format for Flopzilla)

May 16, 2016 | 8:38 a.m.

Hey Tyler, I enjoyed the video as always. I just got one question which I feel like may have a pretty easy answer but I can't think of it right now : How do you calculate which hand out of the villains range you want to make indifferent to calling?

March 2, 2016 | 12:53 p.m.

@28:30 I don't think that small bet is the best option w A8o since villain is UTG and will call you w AJo+ but okay you said it wouldn't be a bluff but a protection bet and I am not quiet sure what you want to protect from. To me it seems like a mistake but maybe you can go more into detail why you think it's the best play.

Feb. 26, 2016 | 12:36 p.m.

@30:22 Isn't that K6o hand a pretty close spot between betting and check/calling? It seems to me like it's pretty tough for you to be bluffing there. I guess you would have to turn a low showdownvalue Ace high type of hand like Ad5x into a bluff to balance that out? And I also feel like when you bet K6o you are pretty much betting all of your Kx and doesn't that make your checking range kind of weak? What kind of strong hands do you have in your checking range in that spot?

Feb. 22, 2016 | 1:06 p.m.

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (5 Players) CO: K@mis1910: $36.15
BN: DiskoSet: $25.98
SB: goshaiana: $30.88
BB: heilenmax: $32.01 (Hero)
UTG: sólyom333: $34.03
Preflop ($0.35) heilenmax is BB with 4 4
3 folds, goshaiana raises to $0.75, heilenmax calls $0.50
Flop ($1.50) 5 3 2
goshaiana bets $1.00, heilenmax calls $1.00
Turn ($3.50) 5 3 2 A
goshaiana bets $2.25, heilenmax calls $2.25
River ($8.00) 5 3 2 A T
goshaiana bets $6.87, heilenmax folds
Final Pot goshaiana wins $7.64
Rake is $0.36

Feb. 19, 2016 | 11:31 p.m.

Hey Daniel, good stuff. Just one note: I personally would have liked to see some kind of summary of the steps you went through building this cEV tree to caculate how thin to valuebet after you finished the tree. Because it took you quiet some time to build that tree and you did a lot of stuff so some basic summary of the steps at the end would be nice because now I probably just have to watch the whole video again. Maybe you could do that in future videos :)

Anyway, I liked it a lot!

Feb. 19, 2016 | 1:12 p.m.

Great format. I am loving it!

Only one question I have:

In the 66 hand PIO Solver says that 6h6s is a clear call which makes sense since it doesn't block busted Flushdraws but then it says that 66 with the 6 of clubs is always a fold but 66 with the 6 of diamond is a call most of the times. Why is that? Is PIO solver suggesting for the preflop aggressor to check flushdraws on the flop quiet a bit and cbetting a lot with backdoor flushdraws so that the PFA has more club flushdraws than diamonds FD's or how does it come up with that conclusion?

Feb. 17, 2016 | 4:30 p.m.

Comment | heilenmax commented on river situation

ez call imo. You would be highly exploitable if you fold TPTK in that spot. When you fold AK here I guess you fold pretty much 100% of your range? Maybe you have a Set of 88 that you call preflop and callm down with but that's it. And it's not like you look supe strong when you call the Turn since you could still have stuff like 99-QQ that you fold OTR.

I hope you called

Feb. 17, 2016 | 1:22 p.m.

Blinds: $0.10/$0.25 (6 Players) UTG: scarcellafer: $26.07
MP: Workout135: $29.96
CO: mesach87: $12.13
BN: _M3M3N7O_: $27.85
SB: DudaID: $26.22
BB: heilenmax: $25.96 (Hero)
Preflop ($0.35) heilenmax is BB with Q K
scarcellafer raises to $0.60, 4 folds, heilenmax calls $0.35
Flop ($1.30) 5 3 Q
heilenmax checks, scarcellafer bets $0.70, heilenmax calls $0.70
Turn ($2.70) 5 3 Q J
heilenmax checks, scarcellafer bets $1.80, heilenmax calls $1.80
River ($6.30) 5 3 Q J 8
heilenmax checks, scarcellafer bets $4.60, heilenmax folds
Final Pot scarcellafer wins $6.02
Rake is $0.28

Feb. 17, 2016 | 12:11 p.m.

I really,really liked it. Looking forward to part 2 :)

Feb. 16, 2016 | 6:53 p.m.

@8:43 Why should we (basicly) never be squeezing JJ,99 preflop vs 2 weaker players? Seems like a fine play to me.
@12:55 What do you think about a 1/3 PS bet in that spot? When I rail highstakes I see that quiet a lot in spots like that on monotone boards

Feb. 11, 2016 | 3:04 p.m.

@gaucan don't act like you misunderstood

Feb. 10, 2016 | 1:11 p.m.

Good stuff. I learned something here. I don't have any questions because I think everything was reasonable and well explained. Nice job, thank you :)

Feb. 9, 2016 | 1:12 p.m.

@23:34 Can somebody explain me that check/raising range? It looks like the advice is to check/raise w ~75% of AK and 25% of KK. I dont understand this range at all.

Feb. 8, 2016 | 10:57 a.m.

@31:20 "I hope you found this video useless for you." that made me laugh pretty hard :D

Feb. 7, 2016 | 4:26 p.m.

Can't be that hard to figure out on what factors the betsize depends on. I don't have PIOsolver so would be nice if you could take a closer look to figure out why excactly on this or that card the betsize goes down or up. Maybe start by looking at the equity changes of each range with any turn and compare it to the sizing? Maybe there are some similarities.

Feb. 7, 2016 | 1:18 p.m.

But that's pretty obvious that optimal betsizing depends and changes depending on different turn cards, isn't it?

Feb. 7, 2016 | 10:23 a.m.

I think that betting K7o in that spot doesn't contradict the strategy of betting a polarized range with checking being a higher frequency play since K7o is one of the worst hands the BU has in this spot. I'm not quiet sure but are you assuming that K7 has showdownvalue in this spot ? Sometimes King high has showdown value but I don't think in this spot against the SB calling range because like you say it is tough for thim to miss that board, and even when the SB sometimes has a hand like QJs or 78s he has to turn those hands into bluffs and you will never get to showdown with K7 anyway.

[And I even think that (but I am not too sure about that) a hand like 86s w a backdoor Flushdraw and a gutshot is a better hand to check behind than K7 simply because of the playability or potential. With 86s you prefer to see a turn than you would with K7 right?]

I put this last statement in brackets because I am really not sure if this is correct. But yeah, I hope I did understand that play correctly in all other aspects :)

Feb. 6, 2016 | 11:06 p.m.

Alright, thank you :)

Feb. 6, 2016 | 8:53 p.m.

So this is very interesting to me because I was convinced that betting with those hands the majority of the time would be best(I would probably use a betsizing of 1/3-1/2 if that makes sense on that flop). I thought so because I feel a hand like 77 is very vulnerable and needs protection and that you would rather just take it down right on the flop with that hand.Would you even say that on the same board in a UTGvsBU scenario a hand like 77 would be a check the majority of the time? It seems like as a consequence you also would have to check/call AA,KK and sets fairly often to strengthen that range and that you will lose overall EV with that kind of strategy. But I don't know, I so far havent used any kind of GTO solver yet.

Feb. 6, 2016 | 4:49 p.m.

@27:25 How would you play hands like medium-small PP's like 88,77,55 in that spot of the KTo hand? Would you always check/bet those hands or would you advise a mixed strategy? And when you advise a mixed strategy how would you weight between calling and check/calling (rough estimation) ?

Thank you :)

Feb. 6, 2016 | 2:05 p.m.

@21:40 Isn't that a standard spot to flat when you decide not to Squeeze w J9s ? Seems like a good hand to play multiway in position.
@27:00 regarding the debatable ATo : I am pretty sure that you gotta call in terms of game theory and when you fold ATo you can easily get exploited but I get that it's another question if the normal zoom nl200 reg is actually aware of that and is bluffing enough. Because in this spot ATo is no different to AJo since villain can not profitably valuebet AJo on the turn. So when you fold ATo you also fold AJo,A2s,A3s,A4s,A5s,ATs,87s,88,99,TT,JJ ... you see a lot of fucking hands. I think you gotta call in that spot w all your Ax type hands one more time to protect all that middle pair type up stuff and prevent villain from beeing able to exploit you.
@43:00 wouldn't you have to call a check/raise w AK in that spot since this is the very top of your range?

Feb. 4, 2016 | 9:42 p.m.

Nice vid.
Just a sidenote: You know that the HM replayer can calculate the Pot Odds for you? I'm just asking because you calculated the Pot Odds in the Q7o hand yourself with the HM replayer running in the background. You were actually just one mouseclick away to know the BE Callequity for Q7o.

Feb. 4, 2016 | 11:44 a.m.

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