# papahook

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Comment | papahook commented on Two GTO questions

Thanks guys for your thoughtful responses.

### July 16, 2015 | 6:19 p.m.

Post | papahook posted in Chatter: Two GTO questions

Hey guys,

1. There is a simple formula how much does we need to defend vs various villains bet sizes so he is not making automatic profit 1-(bet/(bet+pot). Let’s say he bets full pot, so we should defend (1-(1/(1+1))=50% of our range. So say that we defend only 40%. Out of 100 hands he makes 60 times +1, 40 times -1 (even if he loses every single time we call him), so he is +0.2/hand. Does that mean that he makes automatic profit? On the other hand, we win 40 times 2 (pot size 1 + 1 his bet) if we win every time, so we make +0.8/hand. My point is that his +0.2 is not automatic profit, it’s just small part of realized equity from the pot, which he build in the first place (if we call 40% of our range with 100% equity vs his betting range, we split the pot 20% for him and 80% for us). What am I missing everywhere is callers vs bettors equity in the formulas.

2. There is another formula which is ratio value/bluffs based on our betsizing. If we bet full pot on the river, we should have 2/3 value, 1/3 bluff. This works fine in polarized scenarios. Because our value range wins always. However this is usually not the case and again, we need to add equity of our value range vs villain calling range to equation. Let’s say, that our value range has 90% equity. If we get called 100 times we get:
33 * -1 + 67 * 0,90 * 2 = 88, way less than 100 which we get if our value range has 100% equity. So if our value range has less than 100% equity, we need to add less bluffs than the ratio we get based on our bet sizing or we are (way) overbluffing. Is there a formula which takes this into account?

### July 13, 2015 | 12:33 p.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: 100 zoom, ugly flop spot
BN: \$158.01
SB: \$49.99
BB: \$278.39
UTG: \$348.62
HJ: \$61.02
CO: \$146.49 (Hero)
Preflop (\$1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 6 7 A T
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to \$3, BN raises to \$7.50, SB calls \$7, BB folds, Hero calls \$4.50
Flop (\$23.50) 8 A 9 (3 Players)
SB bets \$22.44

### Jan. 6, 2014 | 8:11 a.m.

@ainec

Did you figure out how to import your personal notes from HM1/2 to PT4?

### Dec. 23, 2013 | 11:12 a.m.

Thanks for the replies. I was really surprised with his raise holding such a good hand. Ended up folding mainly for the Imfish4u's suggestion to reduce variance when I consider it very close.

### Nov. 22, 2013 | 3:29 p.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: plo 100, flop decision
CO: \$44.30
BN: \$118.45
SB: \$216.78
BB: \$207.78
UTG: \$142.75 (Hero)
HJ: \$119.50
Preflop (\$1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt A Q J K
Hero raises to \$3.50, HJ calls \$3.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB calls \$3, BB calls \$2.50
Flop (\$14.00) 7 Q K (4 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets \$11, HJ raises to \$47, SB folds, BB folds

### Nov. 21, 2013 | 11:06 p.m.

Thanks Jimmy. Say you call. What do you do on:
a/ blank river and he bets big
b/ flush river and he bets big
c/ maybe som str8 card like T/K and he bets big

Do you plan to fold and all of this?

### Nov. 13, 2013 | 2:29 p.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: PLO 100, get raised ott
HJ: \$0
CO: \$100
BN: \$8.80
SB: \$100 (Hero)
BB: \$90.85
UTG: \$228
LJ: \$100
Preflop (\$1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 2 Q J 7
UTG folds, BN calls \$1, Hero calls \$0.50, BB checks
Flop (\$3.00) 3 J 4 (5 Players)
Hero bets \$2.10, BB calls \$2.10, BN calls \$2.10
Turn (\$9.30) Q (5 Players)
Hero bets \$9.30, BB raises to \$29, BN calls \$5.70

### Nov. 13, 2013 | 11:04 a.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: plo 100, flop spot in 3 way 3b pot
SB: 205.65
BB: 224.45
UTG: 123.75
HJ: 178.39
CO: 100 (Hero)
BN: 100
Preflop (1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 4 A J A
UTG folds, HJ raises to 3, Hero raises to 10.50, BN calls 10.50, SB folds, BB folds, HJ calls 7.50
Flop (33) 8 5 J (3 Players)
HJ checks

### Nov. 13, 2013 | 10:49 a.m.

Post | papahook posted in PLO: Odds Oracle tips

Hey guys

do you have some tips for simulations in odds oracle?

Thanks for feedback

### Nov. 11, 2013 | 8:51 a.m.

I bet flop as I don't expect to get raised in multiway pots. People rarely bluff in 5 way pots and therefore don't checks good hands often imo. Fold turn, don't expect my 7hi flush be good if I hit, so you have 11 non-flush outs and blinds are not bluffing here.

I'd expect one of them have set (and wants to be tricky on the flop), other something like 2 pair + FD, maybe wrap + FD (thats basically our hand, hard to have another one). Don't see more than 30% 3 way, and can be much less if one of them cover some of your outs.

If you can see turn for this raise, thats fine, but imho you don't want to GII on the turn vs blinds.

### Oct. 23, 2013 | 8:55 p.m.

Comment | papahook commented on Game Theory

And what's the answer joanna? :)

### Oct. 22, 2013 | 5:12 p.m.

raise 1st EP = 14% (1000 hands together)

### Oct. 22, 2013 | 4:50 p.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: PLO 50 flop spot
UTG: \$50.75
HJ: \$50
CO: \$106.10 (Hero)
BN: \$50
SB: \$50
BB: \$147.18
Preflop (\$0.75) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 5 4 5 A
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to \$1.50, BN raises to \$5.25, SB folds, BB calls \$4.75, Hero calls \$3.75
Flop (\$16.00) 6 4 A (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BN bets \$9, BB raises to \$43

### Oct. 22, 2013 | 2:25 p.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: PLO50 - draw on the flop IP
SB: 71.31
BB: 53.27
UTG: 63.58
HJ: 75.84 (Hero)
CO: 51.54
BN: 0
Preflop (0.75) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt A 8 J T
UTG raises to 1.75, Hero calls 1.75, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds
Flop (4.25) 5 J Q (3 Players)
UTG bets 3.50, Hero calls 3.50
Turn (11.25) 2 (3 Players)
UTG bets 9.50, Hero calls 9.50
River (30.25) 7 (3 Players)
UTG bets 21, Hero folds
Final Pot
UTG wins 49.74

### Oct. 22, 2013 | 2:10 p.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: PLO 50 PF decision
UTG: 74.61
HJ: 77.59
CO: 94.02
BN: 51.47
SB: 27
BB: 104 (Hero)
Preflop (0.75) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt A A T 5
UTG raises to 1, HJ raises to 1.50, CO folds, BN folds, SB calls 1.25, Hero calls 1, UTG raises to 4, HJ calls 3.50, SB calls 3.50, Hero calls 3.50
I did not raise 1st time as I don't want to build big multiway pot 150bb deep OOP. I probably should have raised 2nd time. But I can raise to \$25. I believe that all players will call and we will have 50 behind and \$100. I don't like to push small edges like this with bigger variance and decided to just call.

Is this a clear big mistake in your opinion?
Flop (20) 9 6 7 (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets 15, HJ folds, SB raises to 22, Hero raises to 99, UTG calls 54.61
What I saved PF a pushed otf with not the best equity :) No other option I believe.
Turn (210.61) 5 (3 Players)
River (210.61) 6 (3 Players)
Final Pot
UTG has T J 7 8 SB has 7 J A 7 Hero wins 29.39 , UTG wins 95.22 , SB wins 83

### Oct. 5, 2013 | 5 p.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: PLO 25 - River play
CO: \$41
BN: \$25
SB: \$25 (Hero)
BB: \$34.41
HJ: \$29.05
Preflop (\$0.35) (5 Players)
Hero was dealt 9 8 7 3
HJ raises to \$0.50, CO calls \$0.50, BN folds, Hero calls \$0.40, BB raises to \$2.50, HJ calls \$2, CO calls \$2, Hero calls \$2
Flop (\$10.25) 4 5 4 (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, HJ checks, CO checks
Turn (\$10.25) 4 5 4 6 (4 Players)
Hero bets \$6.75, BB folds, HJ calls \$6.75, CO folds
betting for value and protection even against 3 opps with likely best hand. Maybe should have bet more (pot?). I didn't bet more as I don't expect different FE had I bet full pot. And is very possible that one of the players have nuts. Actually I was bet/folding against shove.
River (\$23.75) 4 5 4 6 5 (2 Players)
Hero?

### Sept. 24, 2013 | 12:44 p.m.

Comment | papahook commented on PLO 50 river play

If I don't extract value after I hit river, I don't think I have enough pot odds to c/c the turn. That's the reason I kind of have to value bet river and extract value. I believe he is bluffing basically never in this spot. Maybe should be betting smaller otr (like 50% of the pot).

Do you think that you have enough fold equity to justify turn c/r? My experience is that after potting the turn (combined with small flop bet) they rarely bet/fold.

### Sept. 9, 2013 | 8:58 a.m.

Hand History | papahook posted in PLO: PLO 50 river play
SB: \$145.83 (Hero)
BB: \$15.05
CO: \$50
BN: \$52.55
Preflop (\$1.25) (4 Players)
Hero was dealt T J Q Q
CO raises to \$1.50, BN folds, Hero calls \$1.25, BB calls \$1
Flop (\$5.00) 6 2 J (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets \$2, Hero calls \$2, BB folds
Turn (\$9.00) 6 2 J K (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets \$8.12, Hero calls \$8.12
River (\$25.24) 6 2 J K 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets \$16.50, CO raises to \$38.38, and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot
CO wins \$56.24