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there's always room to 4b/f if you have AA and some hands that don't have enough equity to call all in vs. a shove.

Dec. 15, 2019 | 4:44 a.m.

I wasn't 100% sure about what I said earlier (flop SPR being unimportant for the 3bet size), so I ran BB vs. BTN 300bb with 2.5bb open, and 3bets to 4x, 5x, and 6x.

EV(OOP): -4.326
EV(IP): 9.326

EV(OOP): -4.299
EV(IP): 9.299

EV(OOP): -4.331
EV(IP): 9.329

Again, 5x is doing just a little better than the other options. But it doesn't matter too much which size you choose, so long as the size puts pressure on a part of villain's range and doesn't torch too much of your flat calling equity (e.g. 3bet to 2.5x).

Aug. 12, 2019 | 4:27 p.m.

3bet size is less about creating a low SPR and more about laying a price that costs IP the most pot share.

For the 3bb open and 15bb 3bet: IP has to call 12 to play a pot of 30.5. 12 / 30.5 = 0.393

0.393 = raise / (2raise + 2open + 0.5)

open = 2.5, raise = 10.1 (on top)
open = 2, raise = 8.26

So we’re still using close to 5x for these sizes. BUT, this assumes our range doesn’t change. Since our 3bet range gets smaller and more polarized from bb vs smaller opens, it would make sense to me if the solver recommends something like 5.5x 3bet vs 2.5bb open and 6x vs 2bb open.

Don’t be embarrassed by one mistake, I think you’re making the best videos on the site right now, Qing. Keep it up!

Aug. 9, 2019 | 5:23 p.m.

Comment | thereheis commented on Clairvoyance

3 for 3 great videos, keep it up.

May 19, 2019 | 10:47 p.m.

35:00 If you watch the video, Justin did raise T8o and they got the action wrong.

Aug. 13, 2018 | 12:57 p.m.

33:00 I wanted to see the OOP response to the the smaller bet size. I think Fedor correctly assumed that he'll face a raise less than equilibrium on this bubble vs. a medium stack, and if you node lock that into the sim KQ is probably a pure bet.

Aug. 13, 2018 | 12:45 p.m.

another very good one, thanks. should be Elite content.

July 19, 2018 | 10:44 p.m.

Took me a few minutes to realize you were just looking at the node-locked EVs and not rerunning the tree.

July 3, 2018 | 6:36 p.m.

If you ever call the 98s preflop it's with a very low frequency. like close to 0 I imagine.

you're calling $48 to play a pot of $139 -> need to win 34.5% of the pot back to call.

you have about 31% equity vs. an 8-10% squeeze range and, as we know, you'll realize less than 100% of that. if we give you an r of 0.85 you'll win back $36.6, losing $11.4 on the preflop call.

edit: r with a low frequency suited connector could be more like .9 - .95 but that still gives us a pure fold preflop.

June 13, 2018 | 12:03 a.m.

On further review, it's probably just a call preflop even against a loose 3bettor.

May 7, 2018 | 5:52 p.m.

I can't see call vs. shove mattering very much but I'd go with shove because of the hh combos he could have.

I think preflop is probably a shove for 50bb with your loose 3bet read.

April 30, 2018 | 9:56 p.m.

screen name is so 1999!!

best answer really is to do some solver work. I can't think of a good shortcut. your bluffs for each size should have low checkback EV and block his respective continuing ranges.

April 30, 2018 | 9:47 p.m.

I was more surprised/curious rather than incredulous. I don't play on Stars so I'm not sure how the pool is playing bb's spot.

I should play around in CREV with this one to see how RFI position, RFI size, and bb flop [x/r vs. x/c with trips] frequency affect our strategy. If I do I'll post again.

thanks for the reply!

April 30, 2018 | 4:04 p.m.

16:25 99 on 6683cc "check is clearly the play"

I'm a bit surprised by this. I think bb would raise most of his 6x and sb doesn't have much 6x in the first place. against ranges of mostly draws and 8x I think we want to bet this hand.

was your reasoning that in the 3way equilibrium they can't recklessly c/r and barrel any trips, and for that reason you don't get called by worse enough to bet 99? if so, do you think the 500z regulars are playing this spot correctly?

April 28, 2018 | 7:28 p.m.

I think being HU and being in position make it good to keep the 9.

multiway we want to make a bigger hand so we draw 2. HU in position I think we want to keep our extra 5% equity since we have an easy time showing down cheaply. agreed?

April 26, 2018 | 11:20 p.m.

2:30 "I think this is going to be a very high EV board for OOP"

I wouldn't say that. It's probably a below average flop for OOP, but one that we still get to cbet a lot if we use a small size. I would say "very high EV boards" are T22, AJ7, K42 etc.

April 26, 2018 | 8:51 p.m.

Comment | thereheis commented on $25/$50 HUNL and PIO

only planned on browsing comments for this video. went and watched it because of this post.

what an absurd find by LLinus. disgusting (in a good way) how strong the top humans are now.

April 18, 2018 | 9:48 p.m.

people might be more motivated to participate here if you do some work yourself, post what you find, and ask for feedback.

your OP is just asking people to hand you a preflop strategy.

April 16, 2018 | 3:37 p.m.

Comment | thereheis commented on $25/$50 HUNL and PIO

if you search teunuss (sp) videos, he links to a simple RNG app in the comments of one of his videos. it's called "Spin that RNG" or something.

April 15, 2018 | 6:10 p.m.

time for a better computer

April 14, 2018 | 6:32 p.m.

very generous amount of info in this video. thank you.

April 14, 2018 | 6:19 p.m.

readless, it's a little too loose I think.

April 3, 2018 | 1:15 a.m.

two things,

  1. since he either has the A-hi flush or a bluff, the absolute strength of our flush doesn't matter. blockers to his most likely flushes do. so if you think he's more likely to c/c As7s and c/r AsKs, you'd rather call with 76ss than K6ss.

  2. understanding what the turn/river equilibrium strategy should be is a good starting point. it's nice knowing that because of the amount of money he's jamming in, if you fold turn or river it's not like you got owned. I like Tyler's side note, hadn't thought of that.

as for the hand, it's a tough spot. probably fold one of the streets unless you have reason to believe he'd play most AXss differently on the flop.

March 30, 2018 | 5:18 a.m.

I don't think his second question has anything to do with whether or not he can reproduce the sims in your video or whether he has access to pio cloud preflop solutions. I think it's a great question to ask an elite coach, and something that takes a lot of work to quantify.

Even if you haven't done solver work on this, as an elite poker player, I'm sure you could at least share what your intuition tells you about the situation. If I'm not getting honest insight from players who are better than me, I might as well cancel my subscription because I'm good enough at drawing my own conclusions from pio scripts and node locking.

My best answer: think about what mistakes the opponent is making, estimate how often the spots occur, and finally quantify the the EV loss of the mistake. Remember the only mistakes that matter are the ones that he wouldn't make vs. the larger 3bet. Then compare that to the EV difference of the big 3bet strategy vs. small 3bet strategy. You will need a solver and some time for all of this.

March 28, 2018 | 6:32 a.m.

I liked this video. Might be best as the first of 2 or 3 videos where you go over the general differences between 3bet and 4bet pots in 100bb and 250bb+ and look at a handful of spots in PIO.

Some deep live play would be great but I don't know if that's a thing online.

March 7, 2018 | 10:35 p.m.

good stuff. I think all great players have internalized this way of evaluating spots.

March 4, 2018 | 11:18 p.m.

21:45, 66 on K746

Unusual flop check by him after 3betting BBvMP.

I thought it might be a spot for you to go bigger than 2.5x with your raise. Pio disagrees and uses your size or a tad larger with 66 and some big draws. Villain has to mix call and fold with KQs-KJs.

Feb. 24, 2018 | 5:15 p.m.

call. I think on the river his range should look something like 5 flushes, ~20 Ax one pair, maybe some AJ. having the 5s is good. you're getting 2 to 1 so he only needs a couple bluff combos.

Feb. 18, 2018 | 6:05 a.m.

Comment | thereheis commented on Database Review

as someone who plays mostly live and a little bit of untracked sites, this is valuable to see. all I have to go off of are sims and intuition for which hands are profitable for me.

Feb. 11, 2018 | 5:58 a.m.

nice vid and thanks for the shoutout.

my shortstack game is a little rusty; had no idea cbet % was so low in this spot. are people leading here in high buy-in tournaments?

Feb. 10, 2018 | 11:08 p.m.

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