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6 points

38:00, your equity vs following hands:
AQKT- 49%
*- 24%.
If you weight it as being more likely that he has just an ace given his sizing the play is good as you need 37% to break even.

It IS somewhat close but showing it down is good anyway since it stops 89TJ potting flop which might be profitable if you fold everything. Still is profitable even if you do call this though with 42.59%.

Do you stack off any ace in this situation (EG AQhTJc?) against this sizing?

Dec. 3, 2014 | 1:10 a.m.

"s~ Hell, villain flops T2P+ or a mega draw nearly 8% of the time~ ( and that is 1 in 10 approx ) and Phil's- people in high stakes games almost always x/r flop 12-20% in a spot like this (rightly or wrongly). plus added card removal effect..doesnt this 3 things weight heavily toward a decision to 3 bet flop" - no it means the other guy is check raising 20% of the flop at max but 8% he has a better hand. this means half the time you get it in vs better (which is bad as your equity vs his range is losing you money).

you might be making enough getting them to fold when u shove to counteract the lost equity when running the money in the middle vs their range half the time, but calling to see the turn will give you information regardless of how good the player is (they simply cannot always bet the turn as their air will not have enough equity on average- thus they will have to check their air sometimes- if they choose to balance this with value hands they will make less with their value hands. the argument is that this makes you more when you are ahead (they check their bad hands, you pot and win, it gets checked down on scare cards and you don't lose more when they have better, you stack off on a blank but don't lose too much there as they have some combos pair + draw stuff now so our equity is kinda flippy). the information in this scenario is pretty valuable as it lets you play very aggressively vs their weak hands and often shuts down the action when you were behind when a scare card comes.

April 12, 2013 | 10:16 a.m.

"Now that I know you're x/r around 8% and getting it in around .58%, I know you have around a 14:1 ratio between your x/r range and your get it in range. That's a little low for my taste, but not unreasonable"

what sauce is saying here is the breakeven point for getting K8 in if it loses you a fair bit of money shoving (as their range is stronger) might be somewhere around his area as you make up the money lost in all in equity (eg if you had 35% equity in 200 bb pot, your pot equity is 70 bb so u lose 30) in their folded check raises. getting it in 1/14 times you check raise makes me a bit confused though as this is obviously too much check raising and could be exploited by shoving any 4 even with 0 equity.... i might have this wrong though, clarify?

April 12, 2013 | 10:02 a.m.

i think calling cr on flop is good at 100 bb too btw, just much more towards shove than it would be at 150.

April 12, 2013 | 9:52 a.m.

also vs some people your hand is best on turn cos they are insane check raisers- in that case, apply same concept, if your hand is 60/40 vs their range you should shove to avoid losing value on rivers.

April 12, 2013 | 9:51 a.m.

3 betting flop is wrong at 7k and fine at 5k most opponents imo. its the pot odds relative to stack size that save u getting it in on flop (combined wit blowing tem off 20% equity hands tat check raised aggro). you're not making value from your equity vs their range, you make your value by blowing them off hands with equity and not losing much when getting it in. calling turn is also best imo for the same reason- you have pot odds to call and a good hand but your hand is not best equity wise vs their range, and you will basically always get to showdown for free when a scare card hits (or call on a total blank which will be pretty breakeven/reasonable result for you relative to getting it in 40/60 on the turn or w/e).

April 12, 2013 | 9:50 a.m.

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