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The Ace.  Pokerstars doesn't scramble the cards in the HH.

Aug. 22, 2014 | 10:28 a.m.

Maybe we can awaken some interest in the Stud forum.  I recently picked the game back up and this was an hand I played today.  It seems as if the HH converter is not working with Stud, so here is the Raw HH:


PokerStars Hand #119899523184:  7 Card Stud Hi/Lo Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2014/08/09 22:04:26 ET

Table 'Iva II' 8-max

Seat 1: JaydaVixen ($43.71 in chips) 

Seat 2: pxc666 ($59.58 in chips) 

Seat 3: Hennin ($40.53 in chips) 

Seat 4: mMagic_cards ($74.79 in chips) 

Seat 8: Claisen ($51.53 in chips) 

JaydaVixen: posts the ante $0.30

pxc666: posts the ante $0.30

Hennin: posts the ante $0.30

mMagic_cards: posts the ante $0.30

Claisen: posts the ante $0.30

*** 3rd STREET ***

Dealt to JaydaVixen [9h]

Dealt to pxc666 [3s]

Dealt to Hennin [4c]

Dealt to mMagic_cards [Ks 4s Ah]

Dealt to Claisen [2s]

Claisen: brings in for $0.75

JaydaVixen: folds 

pxc666: folds 

Hennin: folds 

mMagic_cards: raises $1.25 to $2

Claisen: raises $2 to $4

mMagic_cards: calls $2

*** 4th STREET ***

Dealt to mMagic_cards [Ks 4s Ah] [2c]

Dealt to Claisen [2s] [Ts]

mMagic_cards: bets $2

Claisen: calls $2

*** 5th STREET ***

Dealt to mMagic_cards [Ks 4s Ah 2c] [5h]

Dealt to Claisen [2s Ts] [8h]

mMagic_cards: bets $4

Claisen: calls $4

*** 6th STREET ***

Dealt to mMagic_cards [Ks 4s Ah 2c 5h] [Kd]

Dealt to Claisen [2s Ts 8h] [9d]

mMagic_cards: bets $4

Claisen: calls $4

*** RIVER ***

Dealt to mMagic_cards [Ks 4s Ah 2c 5h Kd] [Td]

mMagic_cards: bets $4

Claisen: raises $4 to $8


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So, I am open to comments throughout the hand.  Mostly I was considering 7th.  I think I've potentially made an error betting, but I thought it was likely he'd call with one pair considering my hand looks a lot like a good low.  After the raise I wasn't sure but considering what I was showing I assumed he would never raise without a great high or some sort of combo high/low, none of which one pair beats.


I am just starting back playing Stud8 after a few years off so I'm not really sure how to approach the game from a range perspective.  Instintually betting made more sense, but I'd like to hear other thoughts. 

Aug. 10, 2014 | 7:12 a.m.

Andre, its a tough and dangerous game to try to counter exploit an extremely good player esp when you arent confident on what he is doing.

Jan. 31, 2014 | 8:55 a.m.

so you are basically saying he is bad, which is also why I suggested folding the river.

Jan. 20, 2014 | 1:10 p.m.

Lets talk about how this hand went down after we called.

Ks8s8d.  If viilian hit this board he isn't folding to our shove.  If he has a pocket pair we are a favorite.  If he has anything else we are a monster favorite.  Most of the time he doesn't have anything on this board.

So, why shove?  What about c/r to 500k?  This offers us just about the same fold equity and a chance to bluff with air to 500k with some of our range.  Maybe he even folds 99 to a 500k flop, 900k turn bet.  Maybe he makes a huge error and calls flop with K5 and folds turn?  Maybe we get him to jam flop with some of his no value air?

Also, calling isn't half bad either.  If our oppenent didn't hit this flop, there really aren't any turn cards he can value bet.  We could c/shove turn and possibly collect more bluff equity.  I don't really like calling that much but went comparing all the outcomes to just shoving the flop is seems pretty decent.

Lastly, consider how AJs on a flop like this would work with the rest of your hands.  We can't really c/shove that often on this flop.  Doing something other than smashing the all in button makes it easier to balance the rest of our range in these situations and thusly become a tougher overall player.

Jan. 19, 2014 | 8:37 a.m.

Call.  Your hand plays too good vs any reasonable range here.  Folding is only a good play if your opponent is terrible (nit).

Jan. 19, 2014 | 8:15 a.m.

he bet 1/3rd turn 1/2th river.  Not exactly bombs.  In a exploitable bubble I think this is just a river fold, but I might call down vs great tough opponents who I know are capable of leading hands that aren't a straight.

Jan. 19, 2014 | 8:13 a.m.

The ante difference 9 handed vs 3 handed is way more important than any card removal affects.

Jan. 13, 2014 | 2:46 p.m.

Call flop because he is likely to make the turn very easy for us.  You are rarely getting barreled.  

Dec. 10, 2013 | 2:07 p.m.

Too be more clear, if you feel you have a comfortable edge I'm always rebuying and adding on.  I don't really play any tournament where I feel like I am not good enough for the extra chips to add to my equity.

Dec. 10, 2013 | 2:05 p.m.

I imagine the majority of people just shouldn't even register the 215r, so rebuying or adding on is probably bad for them as well.

Dec. 10, 2013 | 2:04 p.m.

It seems like your idea of 'standard' is inaccurate.  I'd say 10bb is the number where I don't see many people raise/fold.  r/f or r/c on 15bb happens often.

Dec. 10, 2013 | 2:03 p.m.

Yea rolling the stack in here most of the time.  We win a lot of chips when he folds and we don't do that bad when he calls.

Dec. 10, 2013 | 2:01 p.m.

So if his cbet frequency is way too high then start jamming boards that his range doesn't connect well with.

Dec. 10, 2013 | 2 p.m.

Ironically players should defend more often in the 9 handed table but in practice that is not the case.

Dec. 10, 2013 | 1:58 p.m.

We could consider raising turn as a semi-bluff.  River is extremely tough as played and I don't fault a call.

Nov. 30, 2013 | 7:20 p.m.

What I've been doing this past year is to just register the type of games I enjoy most.  This has lead to much better sessions and much happier life.  Just play the tournaments you want to play and don't worry about what everyone else is doing.

Nov. 30, 2013 | 7:17 p.m.

I'm really curious what card the Es is.  Ace?  Eight?  But I assume the Dk is the King of diamonds?

Nov. 30, 2013 | 7:16 p.m.

I don't agree with this at all.  If we are playing at a soft table where we aren't at much risk of being squeezed then there is a lot of value of flatting hands IP.  There are going to be hands that we don't want to shove preflop but where calling>folding so if you limit yourself to playing allin/fold in this spot you are going to be folding away equity.

I'd have shoved turn as played.  There are many bad rivers for you and his range is full of hands that really want to see the final card.  He will also probably play his made hands/bluffs fairly well on the river so your just letting him realize his equity when much of his range hates you shoving turn.

Nov. 30, 2013 | 7:11 p.m.

Comment | Justin Marsh commented on KQ oop

I'd cold 4b sometimes vs the right players and probably rarely/never flat call.

Nov. 30, 2013 | 6:58 p.m.

bl00dyk1ng: 510
bl00dyk1ng calls 485, and is all in

I assume there was a 25 chip ante so I'm fine with the A9 open.  Would play it the same.  nh.

Nov. 30, 2013 | 6:56 p.m.

I love this series because it opens up so many interesting spots for discussion and lays open a bunch of possible strategic adjustments that we may have no thought otherwise.  There are many video makers on this site that can just open a bunch of tables and play a session.  Make the type of videos YOU want to make and that will come across in your videos.

Nov. 30, 2013 | 5:59 p.m.

The most interesting thing I see is that you are a tight 15/12, yet you cbet much less often than a normal player at 59%.  Most players are betting more often with weaker ranges.  I think there is a lot of value in getting to showdown, but it's difficult to just look at one river stat and tell you where you should be betting and where you shouldn't be.

Nov. 16, 2013 | 2:32 p.m.

ironically this video helped me in ways I did not anticipate - correct counter unbalance vs exploitable plays.

Nov. 16, 2013 | 2:29 p.m.

Most crucial skill to tournament poker that doesn't exist as much in cash game poker is table dynamic.  Understanding how players are playing and adjusting is an artform that is worth many many bbs/100 in positive winrate.

If you are concerned with getting better, then play less tables and focus on all your decisions.  Think about the options you choose and why you choose them.  The best way to improve is through self reflection and analysis.  Nobody can do the work for you.  Coaching and training series are great for finding new ideas, but the real learning happens between the ears.

Nov. 11, 2013 | 4:16 a.m.

We have 27bb.  We are facing a 6bb bet, and there is ~11bb in the pot.  Stop over thinking this and just wager it preflop.  Any difference between allin and other options is going to minimal at best, and by shoving we make an error 0% of the time.

Nov. 11, 2013 | 4:09 a.m.

I wish this type of analysis was more helpful during play.  It ends up being a lot of work/study for only a small knowledge gain :/

Nov. 9, 2013 | 8:18 p.m.

Think about the situation differently.  Play any hand or situation that you believe is +ev.  Sometimes that means we are very very loose and other times not.  Also, it seems we need to improve as a player so that these more difficult ambiguous spots are easier for us to play.  It's certainly going to be bad to loosen up if that means we are misplaying hands.

Nov. 8, 2013 | 5:36 a.m.

I'd decide what the weakest ace he was shoving, then call with Ax+ where x is one or two ranks higher than the bottom ace he is shoving.  I'd then call with other hands that have similar equity to that Ax at the bottom of my call range.  gl

Nov. 8, 2013 | 5:33 a.m.

I'm gonna be honest but I have gained more MTT skills watching Galfond's PLO and NLH videos than I have most of the MTT videos.  Don't be afraid to watch high quality poker even if it's not specifically on topic.  So many poker ideas cross between games and formats.

Nov. 7, 2013 | 3:18 p.m.

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