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Comment | Gweedz commented on PLO 5 - AA vs UTG

Nick Johnson - when you say it’s arguable to increase frequency are you referencing the rake or way population plays?

I feel like both could be incentives to increase 3b frequency with hands like rainbow AA but curious to hear your thoughts.

Dec. 28, 2018 | 8:05 p.m.

I wouldn’t jam this on the flop unless my flush had more backup. Especially true at these stakes I think population tends to be value heavy with their check raises, or at least nut fd with their semibluffs.

That being said with middle pair and second nut fd and some backdoor straight potential i’d call flop. Turn is ok since it gives us nut straight outs, but once he bombs the turn for pot i’d fold. All in all, I play this the same.

Dec. 28, 2018 | 7:56 p.m.

Comment | Gweedz commented on PLO 5 - AA vs UTG

I don't really like calling much in the SB, i'd probably 3bet this hand.

As played I would call the river for the reasons Nick mentioned, you sort of underplayed the hand and he's likely not expecting you to be as strong as top set. This is especially true when checked to on the river, I think player pool almost always bets a straight here and top set is the next best thing.
I'd fold if the 5 completed FD.

Dec. 27, 2018 | 9:11 p.m.

I'd play the same, no need to start 4betting light in these games when their 3bet ranges are so AA heavy.
Flop we don't quite have a good enough hand to call a pot sized bet. If we had a FD or TP to go with the OESD i'd probably call. As is, a naked 8 card straight draw is not very strong when there's a flush draw on board (only 6 clean outs).

Dec. 27, 2018 | 9:05 p.m.

iPoker - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4:

MP: 94.58 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 18)
CO: 262.22 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 19)
BTN: 28.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 71.16 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BB): 152.9 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7s Ad Td Jc
fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop : (4 BB, 4 players) 9s Ah Jh
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB, fold, fold

Turn : (12 BB, 2 players) 7c
Hero checks, MP bets 8.78 BB, Hero calls 8.78 BB

River : (29.56 BB, 2 players) 5s
Hero checks, MP bets 25.98 BB, fold

This hand is played on ignition. I can't get HH pasted correctly, if someone knows a better way to do this (I use ignition card catcher) please let me know.
I decided to bet flop since it's unlikely people smashed this board after limping pre and it's a very wet board that I can get a lot of value from tons of draws or even worse 2p.
The turn brings in 3P and completes a straight which I block with the ten. I decided to opt for the c/c. Thoughts?

River brings in another straight, albeit an unlikely one. I think that there's a chance he decided not to raise on the flop with 99 but often has a hand like QJT8 or similar. I don't block any hearts so there's also missed flush draws that he can be bluffing, as well as KQT. Am I overfolding if I fold 3p in this spot?

I just checked on propokertools and it looks like if we're up against draws we're pretty far ahead on the turn and the river doesn't change much (main draws are FD and broadway, not 86). However, if he decided tgo slowplay 99 the equities are flipped in his favor. I think this means that I just have to call the turn and river.

Dec. 14, 2018 | 2:03 a.m.

I wasn't able to get the hand converter working at all (same for twoplustwo though so I think it has something to do with the ignition card catcher, just pasted the HH here). This is on Ignition.

iPoker - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4:

SB: 107.9 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 265.72 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (CO): 106.16 BB
BTN: 91 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6h 4c 6s 4h
Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 11.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 8 BB

Flop : (24 BB, 2 players) 4d Ts Jc
SB checks, Hero bets 24 BB, SB calls 24 BB

Turn : (72 BB, 2 players) Ah
SB checks, Hero checks

River : (72 BB, 2 players) 3d
SB bets 43.98 BB, Hero calls 43.98 BB

I checked PLOmatrix and it looks like preflop this is good. I'm guessing it's because we can flop sets and stack overpairs. I am not sure what to do on the turn though and decided to check it back. He has a lot of AA and KQ in his range so we're not doing too hot. What would we do if he decides to bet, call/fold based on sizing?

River I think I should have folded, thoughts?

Dec. 14, 2018 | 1:52 a.m.

Hey guys, new to RIO as well! So far seems like a good community and lovig the videos.

With respect to tools/software for the low stakes, I think plomatrix is prett useful. Based on monkersolver ranges and getting solid preflop play sets up the foundation to work on the rest of your fame. Also simple enough that you don’t get too crazy with gto at the micros - just a better understanding of what makes strong starting hands.

The plo from scratch articles on donkr are alao pretty good if you’re newer to PLO, but not sure how current those are.

Dec. 12, 2018 | 9:26 p.m.

Agree with what people are saying. Just want to add that at 2PLO rake is a huge consideration so should be playing much tighter than what is generally optimal.

Also my experience at these stakes is that most players only 3bet AA, so I like checking flop and trying to realize equity (turning two pair can stack a weak player overplaying AA)

Dec. 12, 2018 | 9:12 p.m.

I prefer betting the flop here as there’s a lot of worse hands than can call, maybe with a flush draw on the board i’d be more inclined to check as wet board will get raised more often. You also block all sets and have outs if you end up against low sets.

On the river your hand is fairly disguised, not many sets check flop and turn so he shouldn’t expect you to have many boats so I lean towards calling. I think it’s dangerous to ever assume someone is “never bluffing” although with strong reads maybe. You also block all boats so there’s not too many combos that beat you. Players at lower stakes often don’t fully understand how strong/weak their hand is in any given situation and so I would expect there’s some chance he’s betting nut straight for value. So basically there’s a chance he’s bluffing and a chance he is value betting with worse although low which is enough for me to call this.

Dec. 12, 2018 | 8:55 p.m.

I think it’s a call on the river but other than that I think you played it fine. I think betting 3 streets is risky vs AA heavy range so I don’t mind the check on the turn to not bloat the pot. I think in micro stakes 3bets are almost always AA unless you have seen villain 3bet before. Does seem like a way ahead/way behind scenario and I don’t think lower flushes usually will call 3 streets.
Checking three streets oop with the nut flush here would be a pretty strange play especially given you didn’t bet the turn. Most villains with nut flushes I think would bet river for value when turn checks around because hero often is checking back river a lot but calling with hands like 10-Q high flushes.

Dec. 12, 2018 | 4:37 p.m.

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