My 4bet sizing isn't big enough, because of that vs shove I'm not getting enough equity.
This guy doesn't look like type who jamming TT-JJ or AQ vs 4bet. I can be wrong
Vs spew type of opponents 4bet/fold doesn't seems like great option
Dec. 11, 2018 | 1:18 p.m.
MP: $200.00 (Hero)
Dec. 11, 2018 | 12:08 p.m.
Because I don't know anything about how we can play. Can't make huge assumptions or start to deviate too much from close to optimal
Will he check/fold a lot or check/call flop a lot?
How wide he is 3betting?
Is he type of guy to call A5 3 streets or capable of lay downs?
Dec. 11, 2018 | 11:54 a.m.
He have 7 better combos and our pot odds (I haven't do math precise) ~36%. We need around 5 bluffs (4 and something to be more accurate). Something like AsJ ,AsT and AsK possible candidates.
Some people honestly will over bluff here bunch and calling any flush is +EV. Your flush isn't matter you are doing same thing as 43s which is blocking his Ace of spade flush.
Dec. 11, 2018 | 9:44 a.m.
We can call if 1) too many combo draws in his range
2) he shoving way too many splits
I looked a bit in equilab usually was getting around 39-43% equity depending how I changed his range. Readless we don't have to call
Dec. 11, 2018 | 9:23 a.m.
Wallmonger Maybe it is mandatory bet I can't tell. Vs flop bet villain should fold a lot and call all pp, pairs, 89, T9 and some AK. I don't mind too much giving away free cards (89,99 and TTiare concern with my assumption) because feel protected and A isn't scary card and still I would be jamming many rivers.
However that's nl2-25 so too much value to be checking
Dec. 11, 2018 | 9:01 a.m.
CO: $100.00 (Hero)
Dec. 11, 2018 | 8:24 a.m.
OTT we can safely fold all 9x and everything below Kx except FD.
OTR I'm not sure he has a lot of bluffs, few busted FD and JT,QJ type of stuff. Depending who we are playing against we can bluffcatch wider than optimal. KT is near bottom of our range so I would be more inclined to fold.
Do you play agressive games or not? AQ,KQ,AT-AJ is 3betting pre at most?
Dec. 10, 2018 | 3:21 p.m.
you can get 600-700 hands by playing 6max 500z for 1-2 hours.
Dec. 10, 2018 | 1:24 p.m.
I'm little confused about turn lead. 8 isn't so good for your range to be leading much. Your sets and 2 pairs raising flop at most, so only got more 88 than villain. Of course it is too little part of the range.
River I would jam as played, my range is pretty much straight+ and no JT,AT type of stuff. Expect villain to have overpairs and Tx so often here, that I start to like smaller size.
Dec. 10, 2018 | 11:34 a.m.
good question, hope someone can answer. Curios too
So yeah, I want to know why it's the higher EV play.
Imo it is not higher EV(maybe very tiny bit on some textures), we can use many different sizings as flop cbet strategy and have ''same EV'' (though rake can change it, but I haven't worked on that and can't comment)
Dec. 9, 2018 | 2:12 p.m.
You can be right here, on the other hand he can have 98s, 87s, AJs, other wheel ace which is now flush. Similar to your thought process he didn't want to face x/Jam and decided to check back flop.
-Plus it is not super excited spot to be bluffing for him into weak player with naked hand
Dec. 9, 2018 | 1:36 p.m.
Corgi already said about equity. If we never play postflop we need to defend ~1/3 combos, but because we will call some hands vs 3bet we have to fold much less.
However you got good point, ''nitty range'' probably more profitable at micros considering rake and overfolding not a huge issue. Woudn't want to expand this range too much, but certainly can due if my opposition play not good and let me win more postflop or realize too much equity.
If we know villain tends to fold a lot to 4B, what ratio of value to
bluffs would use ? 1-2, 1-3 ?
This would depend on how many % he is folding. He can fold 60% 70% 90%, vs all those numbers in theory* we can 4bet any 2 cards. In practise it is easy to notice and hard to get database to confirm high folding vs 4bet numbers
Dec. 9, 2018 | 7:46 a.m.
This hand looks thin to me, mostly because we used size on bigger side twice. Don't think 3 streets valubet with TT is outperforming 2 streets. There are different passive players, some loose 32/5 and some tight 20/10, second one isn't gonna have many A5-A4 and other worse hands.
I would check turn, and bet river (as default), but with reads passive player I would check/fold river or block-bet(and turn I'll bet less than you). You want to get called by those 8x and weaker on the river, half pot seems too big and he isn't that capped by any means
Dec. 9, 2018 | 7:33 a.m.
loose isolate PRE. It is not pushing a lot of value as 3bet sb/btn. But given we got dead money it make it nicer.
I believe if you do cbet/flop you can't fold vs one player jam. Don't mind cbet/call here
Would bluff turn actually here, cbet and bluff some rivers again. When utg bet small and btn raise I would fold, because if I call and utg reshoves it is very bad result in which we invested 5$ for nothing (can't call, because likely dead)
p.s. I've seen already few hands, Where you ask what villain represent when he can definitely have value. Like have 44 or 43(BTN ), easy value vs weak player and small size
Dec. 9, 2018 | 7:09 a.m.
Fold pre, rake is huge problem and hands play poorly. Even when you got best board, you still have chance to run into better hands/lose value/not get paid.
Turn is already ugly, probably against 4x raise we can just fold if playing vs passive player. Vs more agressive I'm not excited and not like situation at all.
But river as played easy fold, even his bluffs got there
Dec. 9, 2018 | 6:58 a.m.
Well played. Something like Khigh flush is bottom of our value-range readless.
1)Can make assumptions and add some Qhigh flushes too, but it is more player dependent and overall thin
2)Can start introducing small river size
Dec. 9, 2018 | 6:54 a.m.
sqz is okay. However 20BB size is too big. Having regs behind who aren't active sqz means we can call, but not as wide if blinds were weak.
Not sure, probably we can just fire flop and go from there. CO ranges is probably too wide and he will have folds. Vs x/R need to count our odds
Dec. 9, 2018 | 4:16 a.m.
On the river looks thin, think as played you see flush too often.
Turn already decrease our value a lot so our hand probably mixing between check/bet. If turn was already close then river should be much easier decision to make.
p.s. vs BB I would like your play or vs terrible statinary player
Dec. 9, 2018 | 4:08 a.m.
Nope it is call. Can't tell what type of bluffs he will have or what worse hand he is value betting.
Some complete air can be bluffed or low pp, as for valuebets strongish Ace looks like bottom of his range. So A7-8+ maybe