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Thanks, guys, I don't feel like such a moron anymore. I put in four - or five (it's all a blur!) bets before I just called and he showed the quads. I couldn't figure out what he was calling with if he has 88, because what could he put me on? I'm pretty tight relative to these guys, I had to have a big pair. But maybe he thought I was betting AAs and he only saw his own FH. I freaked myself out feeling stupid and quit playing until I came here. So, good thing it wasn't no limit! ;- )

I also Googles how often quads show up in Holdem and playing hundreds of hands a day, we should actually see them a couple of times a day. I have a feeling at microLHE I'll be seeing them more often than at higher stakes.

Dec. 29, 2012 | 10:43 p.m.

Post | MsReed posted in Other: LHE in micro HORSE, river raise
Preflop: MsReed is BB with QQ

UTG folds,
EP checks, (posted before flop)
MP calls $0.10,
DLR calls $0.10,
SB calls $0.10,
MsReed raises to $0.20,
EP folds
MP calls $0.10,
DLR calls $0.10,
SB calls $0.10

Flop: 8d5sQh

SB checks
MsReed [QQ] bets $0.10,
MP calls $0.10,
DLR folds
SB calls $0.10

Turn: [8d5sQh]8c

SB checks
MsReed [QQ] bets $0.20
MP calls $0.20
DLR folds
SB folds

River: [8d5sQh8c]Th

Ms Reed {QQ} bets $0.20
MP raises to $0.40

I didn't know the player, he hadn't impressed me one way or the other. People in these games often slowplay AA, KK and also call flops with std connectors like 76, or pretty much any two Broadway cards or well, anything. I thought if he flopped a set of something, he would have raised the turn after slow-playing the flop. But I thought it was bizarre that he raised here. Am I okay assuming he has quads and just calling? Too chicken? If I reraise and he raises again, then what? On Carbon heads-up you have unlimited raises.

Could an experienced player tell me what they would have done?

(I tried using that hand posting thingy but couldn't make it work.)

Dec. 29, 2012 | 3:29 a.m.


I'd love to watch a coaching video on limit holdem a but right now they'd have to be free. I finally made it to the "w in" column last night and I hope to continue to win and maybe, in a few months, make enough money to justify the lowest cost HEM (which I am still on the free trial) and also a coaching site with LHE videos. Unless you know of some good free ones? They have some on Youtube but I was afraid to watch them because I didn't know if the people who made them were winning players or not.

Dec. 26, 2012 | 7:43 p.m.


I wish I could play on PokerStars but I am a US player. But on Carbon where I play, there are usually only a few tables in progress anyway, so maybe I can just open the ones I am not sitting at and look to see who is playing on the others.

Dec. 26, 2012 | 7:41 p.m.

HEY!! Someone finally answered!! This is great, nastyhabit, thanx. Because I just started learning the game on November 12th, I play very micro-ish of micro: .02/.04, sometimes .05/.10. I almost never get to a flop without 5 players, so with the blinds that's >5:1 most times I have a gutshot. But I've been folding them. Now I can call!

I am very happy today because last night I became a winning player! I lost my first deposit of $25 on Lock, decided Lock is a terrible site, put $35 on Carbon and now have $62.96! I made almost 3 dollars and it only took 9613 hands to do it!! (I really like this game.) I know I might not be a winning player by the time I quit playing today, but I bet I will be again, and get further ahead.

Dec. 26, 2012 | 7:33 p.m.

wait a minute - stupid filters - it's 13.03BB/100 - ok - that makes sense....

Dec. 21, 2012 | 5:11 a.m.

Comment | MsReed commented on A "Poker Goals" forum?
I hope this happens, it's so useful to be able to get encouragement when you are in a down phase and kudos in a good one and mostly just have to be publicly responsible for your results.

Mr. Galfond has been publicly responsible by default for years as a result of his fame and online tracking. I think it helps with tilt, you can't just play horribly in secret without facing the judgement of those who will see your results.

Dec. 21, 2012 | 4:54 a.m.

Took me a while to find my way back.

Damian: I think possibly at micro the redline is everything. Once I got it stabilized I started winning - which is why I was too busy to get back here - over last few thousand hands WR .. well, it's stupid, it's 54bb/100 - but HEM doesn't have .02/.04 and I think it's defaulting to .01/.02 or something.

I wish I could post a pic.

nastyhabit: left Lock, too many strange issues - I am on Carbon now, definitely enough micro traffic to multi my heart out - unfortunately, can barely keep up with two. I am not kidding about being really new. I finally found some HEM stats posted by a pro LHE player and compared to my first 10K hands. ew - that's all I can say - just ewwwwwwww - I was so way far off.

I can't actually read books much, too long to explain - it's about a learning thing - but I can read short online articles and charts and stuff.

So I asked this question on different forums and no one would just give me a straight math answer, it's a straight math question about odds - not about anything else - not board texture or players stuff, just math.

Maybe you guys will help me?

If it's 5-1 to make a gutshot in two tries, but it's 11-1 on each try, how many bets do you need on the flop and the turn to call? 11? 5? 7.5? If I don't get in enough bets on the flop, I won't be able to call the turn because the bet size doubles and I won't have enough bets. So, see, I don't know how many I need and I just fold them. (Of course, that seems to be working considering how much better things have been.)

I found a great starting hands position chart I could actually use during play because the graphic is real simple and stopped calling in the blinds with anything but the best hands and stealing more from the BTN and - let's see, stopped calling so much.... raising more when I'm first in... I'm learning to bluff a little.... but I wish I knew what to do when I flop four to a Broadway on a rainbow board. (Also learning the lingo watching old High Stakes episodes online.)

Dec. 21, 2012 | 4:39 a.m.

I am surely the stupidest person ITT, but it looks to me like maybe he just doesn't believe you. If you had QQ in your hand, why did you only call the turn? Doesn't it look like something simple like: he has the set of tens and thinks you are calling him down to the nut flush draw and he boats the river and checks to raise a river bet? I mean, I know I'm dumb, but couldn't the play so far have led him to put you on a hand that just didn't include QQ?

Dec. 19, 2012 | 7:38 a.m.

Comment | MsReed commented on first post
brag: YAY - got it to work.....

Dec. 6, 2012 | 11:43 p.m.

Post | MsReed posted in Other: Newest Noob Newbie (LHE micro)
I just started learning to play LHE a few weeks ago. Almost lost my $30 deposit on Lock. Running on bonus and hanging on by fingernails.

My redline looks like Milton's descent into hell.

How do you set up HEM for limit? Is there a better site for US players?

Will my life ever have meaning again?

For the luvva Doyle, not to mention Hoyle, what should I be reading?!!!!!!

Dec. 6, 2012 | 11:43 p.m.

Comment | MsReed commented on first post
my beat is: I tried to post and got an error. CraP. I EVEN SUCK AT THIS.

Dec. 6, 2012 | 11:42 p.m.

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