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I'm interested, in a situation like this, does the fact that he would have re-raised some/half KKxx hands preflop make the analysis complicated here?  It's time I get odds oracle and play with it!!

Oct. 28, 2013 | 1:29 a.m.

What happens when you can't hand read even if you play 100k, 200k, 300k hands, like me?

Oct. 26, 2013 | 5:59 p.m.

Comment | OMGredline commented on Checking back flops

I also have got a feeling for this, hands that seem good to barrel many turn cards, but also medium strength and could be checked.  I also need to start paying attention to who I'm playing against!  At the moment I mainly just base my decision around the board and how I think that hits villain's range compared to my hand.

Oct. 22, 2013 | 5:43 p.m.

I was playing bad and running bad.  Paying off passive players and getting it in very bad was something I really struggled with when starting, I have been getting better but didn't play for a few days and my patience to fold was worse again.  I can use the rest of the week to study, in the past when this happened I would just stop playing for a week or something.  Trying to take a long-term view this time!

Oct. 22, 2013 | 5:37 p.m.

Thanks, I'm somewhat ok on preflop, but always found postflop difficult to get anywhere. 

After some weeks/months of reviewing button hands I'll move to/add in hands from SB so I learn more about blind defense and OOP play.

Oct. 22, 2013 | 3:30 a.m.

I played 400 hands tonight and lost 10 buy ins, my little bankroll is gone and I need to reload next week.  I was constantly getting it in very bad, on the flop, and paying off when villains hit their outs, and missing my outs most of the time.  I just couldn't believe how when I hit a good hand almost every time tonight the villain had the nuts and how they kept making their hands over and over and over...  If I have another session like that I need to set a stop loss and not play for a while, but I  never experienced it like this before.

Oct. 22, 2013 | 3:27 a.m.

That doesn't seem to work for me.  Trying to review all kinds of different hands at once brings up many different concepts at once and it's overload.  If I stick to hands on the button then I simplify it because I'm always in position.

Oct. 22, 2013 | 3:20 a.m.

very helpful, thumbs up bro

Oct. 17, 2013 | 11:47 p.m.

Comment | OMGredline commented on Calling 3 bets

Thanks, in my first ~30k  hands my fold to 3b is 63%... so I think I can start to expand!

Oct. 16, 2013 | 11:34 a.m.

SB: 31.64
BB: 5.46
CO: 3.55
BN: 4.55 (Hero)
Preflop (0.07) (4 Players)
Hero was dealt 4 T 9 J
CO folds, Hero raises to 0.15, SB folds, BB raises to 0.47, Hero calls 0.32
Flop (1.01) 4 Q 6 (2 Players)
BB bets 0.60, Hero folds
Final Pot
BB wins 0.92

Oct. 16, 2013 | 11:16 a.m.

CO: 5
BN: 5.06 (Hero)
SB: 9.77
BB: 1.32
Preflop (0.07) (4 Players)
Hero was dealt J Q A 4
CO folds, Hero raises to 0.15, SB calls 0.13, BB calls 0.10
Flop (0.45) 2 T 9 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets 0.34, Hero calls 0.34, SB folds
Turn (1.13) 2 T 9 A (2 Players)
BB bets 0.83, and is all in, Hero calls 0.83
River (2.79) 2 T 9 A 9 (2 Players)

Oct. 16, 2013 | 10:42 a.m.

OK I can do that for now, I thought to do them one at a time until I can get better at the syntax, hand-reading, and include the whole range weighted properly

Oct. 16, 2013 | 10:26 a.m.

BB showed, unexpected:

Ts9c8c7d, so what note can I take, general note for later play, more than, "donks 2nd pair and weak flush draw in single raised HU pot from BB"?

"donks weak HU"?

"overplays weak flush draw"?

Oct. 16, 2013 | 10:25 a.m.

Because PPT syntax is a mystery to me, it's something I'm going to work on this week.

Oct. 16, 2013 | 10:03 a.m.

Hand History | OMGredline posted in PLO: 2c/5c aces flop overpair vs. aggro reg.
BN: $4.50 (Hero)
SB: $6.21
BB: $7.76
UTG: $24.96
HJ: $2
CO: $7.54
Preflop ($0.07) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt A A 9 3
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB folds
Flop ($0.35) 8 K Q (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn ($0.35) 8 K Q 7 (2 Players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero folds
Final Pot
SB wins $0.34

Oct. 16, 2013 | 1:19 a.m.

BB: $4
UTG: $5.07
HJ: $9.49
CO: $12.38
BN: $4.64 (Hero)
SB: $3.01
Preflop ($0.07) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt Q Q 2 2
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10
Flop ($0.45) A T 2 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.03, SB folds, BB calls $0.83
Turn ($2.51) A T 2 8 (2 Players)
BB bets $2.41, Hero raises to $3.46, and is all in, BB calls $0.41, and is all in
River ($8.79) A T 2 8 T (2 Players)

Oct. 16, 2013 | 12:32 a.m.

Well my first thought was what else can he have besides QQxx?  Many players at this limit and below don't check-raise much besides the current nuts, middle set and the absolute best draws right?  Even if that's not very accurate, what about on a board like this on the turn?

Oct. 14, 2013 | 6:24 p.m.

What about his postflop aggression tendencies?

As you're deep ROI when raising seem high and I would call this down, even though 99xx and TTxx must be small part of his range even at the river imo.

Oct. 14, 2013 | 4:09 p.m.

I've played for a couple of years for fun after getting into the game from home games with friends, and tried to pick the game up by only playing and watching some videos here and there.  That clearly isn't good enough for me to really improve so I'm going to try and set up some study topics to get me going.  As a new player of course I need to understand fundamentals and avoid consistently making big mistakes before moving on to the smaller details.  I've picked up some of the basics here and there from videos and discussion. I'm still clearly struggling on some basics, like playing too many hands out of position.  

I can work on that, but feel like I have to get very specific in my study or it's just too much to try and find and plug all leaks at once.  I'm not at the level of getting benefit from all kinds of hand history discussions or videos of live play and hand history reviews because I don't have the fundamentals to analyse all sorts of different types of hands.  Today I decided to try this:

Play 500 hands at a time and then stop and review:

1) make a filter in pokertracker to review only hands played on the button where I played in the hand.  Pick out a few interesting ones and work though the basics - my preflop range and range of opponent, hand reading through the hand, SPR, possible equity, opponent profiling, possible lines, analyse flop texture, plan for hand etc.

2) quickly go over big pots where I lost a lot of money and see if I'm making a big mistake

Post a couple of hands after each 500 hand session.

Also study theory videos and work with PPT.

How does this sound?  After working on the button for some time I could then focus on more specific spots such as each type of flop, or move on to playing from another position.  

Oct. 14, 2013 | 3:57 p.m.

OK, I understand now.  I'm asking because I play all suited aces without trips on the button, and wanted to know how much of my range on the button would be made up of these hands.

Oct. 14, 2013 | 2:04 p.m.

So that means 'ace + random card: both same suit'?

Oct. 14, 2013 | 1:59 p.m.

hmm I had a go and got 16.95%, is this right?

Oct. 14, 2013 | 1:09 p.m.

I had a quick look on PPT and can't figure out how to input this.

Oct. 14, 2013 | 12:59 p.m.

Playing quite a few hands again, both zoom and regular tables, even 1c/2c zoom is quite nitty it seems, so my mind is quite blown at this point (as you said you mostly played at zoom) ... :)

Regular tables feel so different at 1c/2c, so many multiway (even 4-way ) pots, simple ABC seems to be fine, but even 1c/2c zoom feels very different.. or is that just me?

Oct. 5, 2013 | 8:25 a.m.

I would but I don't know PPT syntax language and not looking forward to spending a week learning it. 

I imagined a totally different range, no sets, mostly AA and KK, sometimes a pair of J or broadways which missed.  Then I put an example of each.  I assume villain c-bets his whole range if he is 3b reasonable range to start with.

Oct. 2, 2013 | 8:58 a.m.

How do we know that will increase winrate?  And for which stakes?

Oct. 2, 2013 | 7:21 a.m.

My username is supposed to refer to the crazy obsession with all-in EV line when it's pretty much irrelevant, but I picked the wrong colour :) , I'm ok with that because I'm not interested in the lines.  I think looking at any of the lines is usually the wrong way to go about improving...  

Some of the stats may be useful though but still seem it would be speculatoin and limited?  Not sure.  My impression is that obsessing over and misunderstanding stats is the worst thing about 2p2.

Maybe you could tighten up UTG, maybe you could float more?  How can we say, each player pool for each stake is different?

Oct. 2, 2013 | 7:20 a.m.

On topic...

OP it's hard to comment, it looks like all your stats are related to looseness not aggression and shortstack tables are niche too..

Still the stats look very bad in either the maniac or fish category and it's impossible to win long-term playing so many hands regardless of the other players and that's very well known.

However I do think it's important to go into a game with an overall strategy, and to know where money is made in the specific game and stake.  This overall view is rarely mentioned in training videos but I find it in a handful, or in forum posts here and there.  I think it's especially important as a beginner to think about the big picture without a coach holding your hand to fasttrack you.  I have started off at 1c/2c tables again after playing mostly 10c/25c on stars, and it's completely different.  At 1c/2c you can play a much more ABC and nutpeddling style, but at 10c/25c there are many many more aggressive regs and a lot more heads up and 3b pots.  

That said I still think there's value for me playing the lowest stakes as my priority is to have discipline,  and study math and ranges, and prepare for loose passive live games etc.  It's not fun but I'm not playing these stakes for fun.

So my answer is it depends mostly on the game you're in (site/poker venue/stakes/heads-up or 6man or full-ring).  In loose-passive games I think you can be significantly more loose passive yourself playing a domination-value bet game.  In tighter games you can pick your spots to raise pre and bluff postflop more.

Oct. 2, 2013 | 6:39 a.m.

fwiw as I'm a beginner my reasoning is this - villain likely has a range of good (or any) AAxx, some good KKxx, and ABBx with suited ace (and tiny amount of very good rundowns).  Trying to do some math now, looking at the hand more closely:

SPR is about 1.25, if we call or raise flop we're committed, putting in 59 to win 165, we need about 36% equity to break even.  On average with an educated guess (putting different types of hands in ppt) I think we have something a little less than that and on average it's a slightly losing play (about -$1 to -$3 EV without doing EV calc).

Any thoughts on this analysis?

Oct. 2, 2013 | 4:11 a.m.

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