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@2:00 I think you are mixing up game theory strategies with exploitative strategies

I'd like to see a boardtexture video about cbetting spots OOP in 6max nlh games. 

Or just teach me everything, like Teddy suggested :p

Absolutely loved it

I've read Kahneman's book, covers a lot of the same concepts and was one of the best things I've ever read. I liked the video, but I think this material is better to blog about or something. 

The TT seems too thin without a read that he's stationy, it's also a good spot for him to bluff so you have to win over 50% when called to vbet. 

Lolled @ the sound you made @ 16.05 when the guy called with 43o haha.

QJo around 18 minutes: Dont you think this is a good hand to bluff with? You block almost no hands that you want to fold out and you block AJ and AQ if he flats those pre.

I couldn't convince myself either haha. I don't think your range being capped to AK, QQ+ is a big problem with a low spr, but maybe in a 3bet pot you're not shallow enough for this to be true. 

Also cold 4betting vs a polarized range feels a little weird, it's like 3betting the flop vs a check/raise with QQ on Q72r. This is of course less true for a preflop range because equities are a lot closer and that is probably what makes 4betting against a polarized 3betting range better than coldcalling. 

I'm not really thinking about how things will play out, just what makes sense in theory. Like calling a 3bet squeeze with someone behind you has all the same problems that you've just discusses, but yet still people think it is the correct play sometimes. The only difference is that the pot odds are slightly less attractive so you'll have to proceed with a tighter range. 

Fun discussion so far :) I'll just stick to the exploitative coldcalls for now. 

Your check/raising range looks like it's a bit too strong, all your bluffs have a lot of equity. 

Thanks for taking the time to look in your database. Seems like he just calls wide there to play a pot with a fish in position and the reg has a wide isolation 3bet range for the same reason. In those spots it makes sense to flat because you want to keep the fish in. 

So there are definitely some good spots to make an exploitative coldcall. But I'm wondering if you can flat 3bets if you are playing a GTO strategy. If you can flatcall or overcall a "2bet", why can't you do the same with a 3bet? In a single raised pot you 3bet the top of your range and then add some hands you can't call to bluff with and you flat hands that can profitably call but can't raise for value. Why should that change if there's a 3bet behind us?

The biggest problem we discussed is that the first raiser can call and that's bad for our equity and let's him realize equity with hands he would fold to a 4bet. But in a single raised pot when someone calls behind us we have that same problem but that's not a reason to start 3betting our entire continuing range. 

Thanks for the responses :) I didn't even consider that flatting aces and kings is a good way of exploiting their too tight 5bet jam ranges. It is very risky if you still want to 4bet bluff though. It's very tough to compare the EV of both strategies, but being able to cold 4bet bluff them is also going to be very profitable if they're not jamming nearly enough. 

If you expect to get 3way with UTG a lot, a 4bet only strategy is probably a bit better.

Another spot that comes up often is being in the BB when the BTN opened and the SB 3bet. A lot of players are using a 3bet only strategy in the SB nowadays so there are a lot of playable hands you don't want to 4b/call that have good equity vs their range. In this case the BTN is going to fold a lot more than UTG in the example with the QQ. Let's say you have KQs or AJs, what do you guys think of flatting those kind of hands and mixing in some stronger hands to balance this flatting range?

good video

Agree with Tom, you have a ton of valuehands on this river and not all that much bluffs so it would make sense to bet a little smaller. Loved the vid, keep up the good work :)

What do you think about call_911's turn bet sizing? Assuming you are check/calling very few FD's it seems too big to me. Bet/tankfolding seems like a weird play with this betsizing. 

Regarding the 55 hand where you call the 3bet; I'm trying to construct ranges that cover enough boards and flop enough strong hands, but I'm not really sure where I want to draw the line with calling PP's. The logic you used in reaction to gauss is basically saying that you will call every pair in that spot, is that true? I think they are great hands to play against a range that contains a lot of overpairs and will barrel Kxx and Axx a lot, but I'm not sure just how many pp's I want to call against a tight range that 3bets vs UTG and how that changes when I'm in the HJ or CO. 

I can record a 200nl Zoom session if you're still looking for footage

Can you take a look at the rake at different stakes and how that will affect this strategy? I'm playing 200nl and 500nl, there is a big difference between those stakes if it comes to rake. 

And what about losing value with premium hands that don't like to give away free equity? Letting opponents see free flops with hands that would have folded to a raise? And losing value with the top X% of our range in general? I could be convinced that limping hands just out of the range that we can open is profitable, but if that means I have to give away a lot of free flops with my "valuehands" that usually show a huge profit, I find it hard to believe that limping all hands we want to proceed with is better. I'm not saying I don't believe this is possible, but I'm very curious to see the next video because you'll probably go more into depth about this strategy :) I have a lot of respect for a player like Sauce and he introduced this strategy to me in the leggo video a while ago, so it probably out bests my current strategy haha. 

Also, good to see you back on the theory track! I have learned a lot from your theory vids. 

I like the in depth analyses, don't cross your arms ;p

nice vid!!

liked this vid alot. i think more pros should outline mistakes instead of all their good plays/rungood sessions. We learn way more from this then that

I liked the vid :) Maybe you could make one with a theme next time, like calling 3 bets or smthing.

In the QJ hand, do you valuebet or try do bluff him off of a split with Ax the same size there? Don't see why he would call Ax and fold Kx if you don't.

Okay thanks, I'll try to calc it myself and if I'm lost I'll post it here :p

I'm just starting to learn GT concepts, so don't take me too seriously. But what Learn2FoldEm is saying basically means that as long as we are defending a X percentage of hands on a random turn (all of the possible turns) we are still playing a GTO strategy despite having to fold "too much" on certain cards. To find this strategy you'd have to calculate the average gto betsize villain makes on the "random" turns and than build the best possible range for all those turns making sure you defend that X percentage. To me that makes a lot of sense but it could be nonsense haha.