On the river you go with $122, which is a 4x sizing with middling two pair. I was thinking your range looks semi face up as 2 pair + here when you check raise, what do you think of just clicking it back to $66-$75 raise to get Ax to call more often? This was the last hand of the video in terms of time stamp.
July 22, 2019 | 1:52 a.m.
2 min mark you show the following cold call range. How does A10s-A2s, K10s, Q10s, AJo, and KQo fit into this? These all seem to be hands I play in my live games as cold calls mostly, some folds, but at least 50% calls. Are these just 100% 3bets or fold, that's why you don't list them in CC range?
July 22, 2019 | 12:56 a.m.
cap is $500 at 1-3 in my room. I think his sample was significant,
can't remember precise, but I'd say close to 200 hours.
Did you mean 2,000 hours or 200 hours? 200 hours is only a month of grinding full time. I would definitely say that is tiny sample. I would say a minimum of 1,000 hours to be anything close to significant. Even 500 hours is small sample in my mind. You are talking about 500 hours being 13,500 hands aprox w/ 27 hands per hour.
Another question regarding limping the weaker parts of your range to play more hands against the fun players or cooler someone. I was watching a ton of videos last night and was debating just mixing up my preflop sizings with my range. Basically bottom of my range would be 2-3bb open, then middle to top of my range being 4-5bb opens. I was thinking a long the lines of if I limp, they may iso to $25-$30 with their AJ hands, but if I make it $10-$15 ($3/5 game) they will just call with their AJ, KQ etc type hands. Other times they will just limp a long with their other trash like Q8s or A7o etc. Debating between the limping and 3bb sizing... where the 3bb sizing hurts if they 3 bet to like $55 (11bb) and I don't have good odds with hands 22-55 or Axs compared to them iso raising to $25.
For EP range
limp 22-66, A2s-A9s, 76s-T9s, J9s-QTs.
Raise 77+, A10s+, KJs+, AJ+, KQ+?
The AJ and KQ would be a mix for me as well as K10s and Q10s for the weaker suited broadways from EP (First two positions).
July 22, 2019 | 12:34 a.m.
compare that to check raising the turn big and jamming the river the
difference in payout is so huge that it doesn't have to happen very
often for it to be profitable.
Very true... I need to build pots bigger with my stronger hands, regardless of how narrow I think their range is.
Also I think there's a problem with your logic here, if they're
betting a 6+ on the flop then the turn is either bluffs or a 3 so then
when you check raise the river you're just folding out their bluffs
and paying off their 3s.
I think they will still have some 44, 55, and 65s type hands that checked the flop at some frequency. I think 7x+ bets and most flush draws bet. I do think most of his range will be air though. Only looking at 1 combo of A3s on the river here, so can't be scared of monsters under the bed, especially at this stack depth. I did forget to mention his stack depth... On the river I think he only had like $250 behind, so not a huge threat. Definitely vital piece of info.
Hopefully my future HH are player better :-) Thanks for all the feed back these last couple weeks. Super helpful!
July 22, 2019 | 12:23 a.m.
bet $93 = 33%
bet $141 = 50%
bet $189 = 67%
bet $324 = 115%
Looks like AQ, KK, AA are favoring a 2/3 sizing?
July 22, 2019 | 12:17 a.m.
SB earlier in the session has been making large squeezes with his JJ-AA region, so I believe his smaller 3 bets are closer to AJs-AK hands, some KQ as well. Pretty aggro player. Older Asian guy, seems to be pretty squeeze happy, but mostly showing down pretty strong hands. Given my read of AJs-AK+ and pot likely to go MW is J10s too light to peel preflop here?
$3/$5 8 handed / Semi aggro table dynamics with $35 (7bb) sizings going 4-5 way frequently. Not a large number of 3 bets besides the BB above.
UTG+1 ($700) open $20
Hero MP1 ($550) calls $20
Mp2 calls $20
HJ ($1k) calls $20
BTN ($280) calls $20
SB ($2k) raises to $100
BB ($100) cold calls all in $100
Hero calls $80
BTn calls $80.
Flop ($460) 9c7h4s
SB checks, BB already all in $100 preflop, hero checks, btn jams $180 all in. SB folds. Hero ?
$180 to win $640. BTN is extremely wide recreational player, capable of having just about anything here. He will have some 65s (despite no side pot), 75s, A7o, T8s, etc.
I am getting 3.55 : 1 so need about 22% equity. I think this is mandatory call given the pot odds right? Given I do beat some of BTN bluffs and have decent equity against his 7x and 9x region.
Typically I would say if BB did not cold call preflop, this would just be a standard fold given the stack depth for me. I am not really worried about being back raised by players behind. I just figured I am going to be gambling in a 1 SPR type pot. Also if my read wasn't on point for BB range, where he could have more QQ+ in his range here, I would also fold. Just a sizing tell I picked up on.
Please share your thoughts on this ugly hand =P
July 22, 2019 | 12:13 a.m.
$3/$5 9 handed.
LJ is competent pro, has pretty snug range. In this spot I was just going to fold AQo to his 3 bet, but then I got cold called and figured I had to continue given the pot odds.
BB semi tilted as he tried to make a move 1 hand before where he straddled $10, BB opened to $75 with out any limpers with AJo and he jammed $275 all in and lost to AJ. He said he had Ten high.. guessing T8s or T9s type hand. He is usually loose passive preflop, and pretty straight forward post flop. He is capable of bluffing, but at a lower frequency. Sizing usually indicates strength of his hand, but definitely capable of mixing it up.
Hero ($1k) AdQc UTG+1 open $20
LJ ($500) 3bet to $60
BB ($650) cold calls $60
Hero calls $40 more.
Flop ($180) Qs-6s-4s
Turn ($180) Qs-6s-4s-2h
BB bets $80, Hero calls, LJ folds.
River ($340) Qs-6s-4s-2h-Jd
BB $275, with about $250 behind.
Hero AdQc ??
I figured I am too high up in my range to really fold here. If I am folding this, am I only calling flushes and sets? I won't have 22 or 44 in my range here, just 66 mostly. QQ i'll likely 4 bet given BB is viewed as tilted right now with the extra dead money. I could potentially make it like $175 preflop with QQ. So I have some nut flushes here A10s+, J10s+ KJs+ etc. then 66 for my strongest range. Then I'll have QJs, KQs, and AQ for weaker part of my range. Also AsKx I am not sure i'll 4 bet this hand at a high frequency.
Preflop I view BB cold call range, similar to HJ range below.
July 22, 2019 | 12:01 a.m.
I think the flop we both see it the same way, so i'll continue with the turn discussion. On the flop I am expecting them to bet most of their 7x and 6x hands as well as flush draws, straight draws, etc. At least the HJ player. MP1 I could see him checking most of the time. On the turn when I boat up, I figured I have the hand locked up at this point and since they checked the flop they don't have anything yet, so will let them try and catch up a little bit. Also some people just always bet when you check twice. Shouldn't be very much 3x in their range besides A3s, which is stacking off regardless. On the turn going with the same reasons of why they checked the flop, I just want to let HJ keep bluffing. What does he check the flop with that now decides to bet on the turn? I figured it's mostly air. On the river again, not worried about 77 or A3s here. I chose a larger sizing because if he does have a full house, I don't think my line makes any sense and most full houses should call. I mostly think he just has a bunch of air in his range though, just trying to get me to fold two over cards. That's how I read the situation. Figured small raise or large raise gets called about the same amount of time based on how I ranged them, so went with the larger sizing. Most of my over pairs on the turn will start betting as well as flush draws or some type of hand with blockers. I do think my own range will contain quite a few bluffs on the turn if I chose to bet.
Typically for live games I think best line would just bet 2/3 flop - 2/3 turn - jam river.
July 20, 2019 | 8:36 p.m.
I just viewed this as a board, where I should be checking close to 100% of my range. Either check raising some small portions of it or check calling. When nut advantage favors the callers range as well as set advantage etc... I'll have 66 and 77 in my range, but I won't have 54s or 33 in my range on 763ss flop. Probably not a good idea to check and lose EV in live games, I would assume some online players are checking this board quite a bit.
July 20, 2019 | 8:25 p.m.
I agree with this. I am not saying QT fits into a polar range though. I was thinking more a long the lines if villain over folds to to all ins, why would hero want to waste one of his strongest value hands making villain fold. That is all. That is why I thought just using a smaller sizing 33%-66% would be better in general. Then have more bluff combos for the all in sizing.
I treat it like AA when you 3 bet btn vs CO and then CO 4 bets you. CO calling all in range is QQ+ and AKs, but his 4 bet range is wide. Why would you want to force him to fold majority if the time here? This is a spot where I would 5 bet more A10s+ hands as bluffs and flat call more KK and AA hands to trap.
Thank you for the discussion.
July 20, 2019 | 8:18 p.m.
Hero UTG 6h6d open $15
Mp1 calls, HJ calls. Others fold.
Flop ($45) 7c6s3s
Turn ($45) 7c6s3s3d
Hero X, mp1 X, HJ $20.
I call, Mp1 folds.
River ($85) 7c6s3s3d3h
I check, HJ $45, I XR $160
Flop I am just checking my range. Idk if correct or not in live games. I am checking most of my over pairs on this board.
July 20, 2019 | 5:20 a.m.
Both villains are tight player. Im effective stack at $500. BB 95% does not bluff. Just a question of what is bottom of his range for betting.
Preflop was planning on back raising. Sat down 30 min ago, played 3 hands, got 3bet on two of them, so pretty aggro table. I dont think this combo raises flop Mw.
Hero KdKh utg1 calls.
Flop ($100) 9c8s4c
Turn ($215) 9c8s4cKc
*didn't want to get check raised by BB. Tight player.
River ($215) 9c8s4cKc2h
July 20, 2019 | 4:40 a.m.
I agree with what you are saying, but a medium strength hand, doesn't seem to really fit into a polarize range to me. I think Hero should have two sizings on the river instead of just 1 all in sizing. If Villain is capped at say QT or less on this river, for 1 pair or worse, then why does hero want to blow him off his hand? I am not worried about using 1/3 to give villain a difficult time, but using 1/3 to get value with my 9x+ hands. Using a polar sizing vs a capped range, mainly only makes sense to me if hero is trying to bluff.
July 20, 2019 | 2:11 a.m.
Most pots are 3-4 ways, but I see mostly HU to 3 way when its $30-$35 sizing for $2/5 level. In the following scenario would you say 66 is a fold?
Assuming $500 effective / 9 handed
UTG limp, MP limp, HJ raises to $35, Hero SB 66 ?? I think it's on the cusp because I am not closing the action, where people can still limp raise some hands, most of the time in my pool its QQ+ though, so less likely to face a limp raise. Then I imagine at least 1 of the limpers call, so will go 3 ways. Pot will be about $110, with $465 effective. Is this -EV?
Typically my calling range would be something like JJ-22, KQs-J10s, AQ, & KJs. Then AQs, AK, & QQ+ being mostly 3 bet from SB. I don't play a pure 3 bet or fold strategy for live games. Pot is already bloated with 7bb ISO raise most of the time. If you could elaborate on ranges for SB as well as btn in this scenario it would be greatly appreciated. (Limp, limp, 7bb iso, Hero BTN or SB).
Again would love for you to do some live preflop concepts or fundamentals based on 100bb stacks. Typically my game and I know a lot of other people as well play in 60bb-160bb games ($300-$800 range).
July 20, 2019 | 2:06 a.m.
Can you put this in PIO? I highly doubt PIO is using a over bet all in sizing like you suggest in the video. Could be a good live read and exploitable adjustment vs villains line. There was a hand in the forums with AA on Q978 board, where Pio elects to check back on the turn, then use a 1/3 or smaller sizing on river 2. I am guessing PIO prefer a smaller sizing with your hand on this texture.
July 19, 2019 | 8:19 p.m.
Love the re-player format where you saw the flop and can do an in-depth discussion of the hands you played. On this hand when you call the 3 bet, don't you think you are capping your range as a draw or 2 pair type hand? Seems like all sets and 2 pairs are jamming close to 100% of the time.
Suggestion is to remove the bar at the bottom that shows if you won or lost a big hand for the video. You also left the Pio sim up from the KQ hand vs AQ. Would be nice if you made the re-player full screen again.
It also seems like Co is not 3 betting any over pairs on this board vs a XR? Am I reading this correctly? I think your description of him, would lead him to 3 bet more over pairs on this texture, rather than bluff catching. What do you think he is doing with over pairs?
July 19, 2019 | 7:21 p.m.
Turned out to be a pretty good game despite the results. After my reshove, btn showed 33, SB had 55 for his cold 4 bet... boat A4254... I think vs a normal player I may fold some of the time here, but I think most of the its QQ or AK when they jam. I think KK and AA tend to make a smaller 4 bet to like $200, if stacks were $500.
July 19, 2019 | 6:48 p.m.
Villain seems slightly tilted. He plays a very wide range, but mostly on the passive side. This hand he shoved so fast preflop I was thinking he had a hand like AK or AQ. If I had to guess his vpip / pfr it would be something like 60 / 15. There has been quite a few 3 bets for table dynamics, but no cold 4 bets. Is this a mandatory call?
UTg $15, Mp1 $15,
Hero CO squeeze JJ to $65
BTN cold calls $65
SB rips $325 all in.
UTg and MP1 folds
Semi hard to range SB, but he can be pretty wide in this spot. I would range him as 88+, AJs+, KQs+ here. Usually my pool would only show up with JJ+ AK here, but his is a fun player. Not really worried about button....
Will share results after I get some feed back here. I had about $500 and Btn had about $400.
July 19, 2019 | 5:55 a.m.
Please provide any feed back you can.
Preflop - Are you folding this hand UTG? I think its a mix for me, but typically I think I should fold it in a 9 handed game.
Flop - What sizing are you using?
Turn - Are you barreling, if so for how much?
River - I can't seem to find a call here vs anything I beat.
I did consider check raising flop, but figured just betting would be best.
Hero UTG ($500) KhTh raise to $15
UTG1, HJ, BTN, and BB all call.
Flop ($75) KcTc5h
others all fold.
Turn ($165) Kc-Tc-5h-Qc
Hero KhTh - $70
River ($305) Kc-Tc-5h-Qc-As
UTG1 bets $200
July 19, 2019 | 5:49 a.m.
If it means you are covering more content or hand histories, I am 100% ok with verbal analysis. My biggest leak(s) right now for live games is playing too many hands from EP and MP. Seemed like I got slightly punished as I lost every hand outside of my typical range tonight. The money didn't hurt so much as the mental aspect of "playing bad" outside of my range. Knowing I am supposed to fold, but playing them because I am stuck or I want to play more hands against the fun players at the table. It's nothing too crazy, but like KTo in the HJ or calling a 3bet / 4 bet with Axs, some SC 1 gappers from EP etc etc. Just like a 3-5% outside my normal range.
If you did a live series covering like preflop play, that is like 80% of what makes live players winners at low stakes $500NL and lower. I just don't know how to adjust ranges correctly for online compared to live. Like online players will be folding 22-88 some times vs a single raise, where live players its 100% call even vs a 6bb sizing.
Anyways, look forward to more of your videos / content.
What do you play in terms of live games?
July 19, 2019 | 5:43 a.m.
Would love to see a PIO chart of both ranges based on this hand below, street by street. Last hand of the video, takes place around the 40 min mark. I think at the lower stakes $200NL and under the SB is going to be over folding a large chunk of his 3 bet range on this texture as well as live games. I am surprised SB showed up with the hand he has. I think if he had JcJx he would fold blocking some of your bluffs.
July 19, 2019 | 12:10 a.m.
there is a hand in the new coaches video that reminded me of your hand.
If you go to around the 25 minute mark, where the hand starts. DrLuck3 talks briefly about the strategy and states he prefers a check shove with the 65s hand on this board vs someone value betting over pairs on this river at this stack depth.
July 18, 2019 | 11:57 p.m.
I play full time live and would love for RIO to have more live content!!! I suggested a few times with some other coaches, but was shut down because they are "online player." My suggestions were using hands from latb or some other recorded live show and just talk through the hands. I think Ben sulsky did this a while back with some poker after dark content. Maybe I am mixing up the coach though.
This is a good youtube channel I found "Finding equilibrium" which takes live hands either tourney or cash and does PIO work with them. Excellent for live players!
July 18, 2019 | 11:06 p.m.
Hi Henry Lister
17:50 you elected to give up with AcKx on this river where you Iso preflop 5bb vs UTG limper and then double barreled. You stated you have some showdown value against AQ, KQ, and 98s. Do you think rec players are limping this strong of hands? You also stated you would just bet thiner if you think you are going to get called lighter. What sizing would you use if you had AJ+, QQ+ on this river?
July 18, 2019 | 10:34 p.m.
Thanks Bingo. Those were similar thoughts I had, but I was making a some what exploitative play vs a reg who tends to over cbet. I some times see higher stake online guys raise with hands like A8s on 854 flops. I am not sure how they construct their range. I am not sure if that is just in heads up pots or if they mix in doing it MW as well with like BDFD. I have all pairs 22-JJ here in my range, maybe QQ for like 2 combos as well that didn't 3 bet. How are you playing your sets on this texture?
July 18, 2019 | 10:25 p.m.
Main villain in Mp1 is a tight regular on the passive side. I think he only 3 bets KK+ as I've seen him flat call AK JJ and QQ multiple times now. Doesn't really bluff. Very solid with his bet sizing when he does choose to bet.
Hero UTG ($covers) 9d8d opens $15
MP1 ($650) calls
BTN ($500) calls
SB ($400) calls.
Flop ($60) Kd-7h-Th
Hero cbet $30
Turn ($120) Kd-7h-Th-4c
Hero 2nd barrel $80
I think my flop sizing is a little small, but maybe ok being MW. I expect to be called in 1 or 2 places, so waiting for the turn to really increase my sizing, hit or miss. MP1 will have some slow plays for AK, 77, and TT in his range, but also will have some flush draws, some A10s, KJs, T9s, KQo, etc that will peel one time. I think he is tight enough vs a 2/3 sizing he will fold some of his weaker Kx and will fold Tx close to 100% vs a 2nd barrel. I also expect him to fold some flush draws that don't have a Sd with them, not sure about NFD though. If called, I think I can jam most cards that are not A, 9, Q or heart.