On the Q8727Q board on the river you would choose A6 high or worse to bet and QJ+, then XC QT or less and other pairs? For sizing probably just go with 75% sizing on the river given pool has a lot of hands they do not bluff with. I see a lot of players showing down KT or J9 (didnt' find a single street to bluff with).
I think for weaker hands say QT and lower or some 8x or 66 type hands maybe block bet 25% pot and hope they call ace high? Just play very face with the sizing where big bet (75%) is targeting ace highs to fold and some worse pairs to call and small bet (25%) targeting ace high or random 66-33 pairs to call? Where small bet won't have any bluffs, but I don't see pool bluff raising enough...Then you set your own price against QX as I see hands like QJ or KQ just call the river bet and not raising for value almost ever (<5%).
Does that sound right based on your feed back? I know you said pairs worse than QX serve better as bluff catcher. Just trying to exploit a pool who shows down J-high. Where betting can improve my red line?
May 5, 2021 | 10:25 p.m.
9:15 folding QJo MP. Are you pure folding this hand preflop? See a lot of sims pure opening KTo and QJo MP. Where I usually have ATo+ KQo+ from UTG. then ATo+ KJ+ from from MP as default, but have been mixing KTo and QJo 50% from MP open but idk if they are just break even hands and should lean towards pure folding them or pure opening them. I assume pure open if fun player is in the blinds and pure fold if regs are in the blinds? What if fun player has position on you MP vs BU? Are you opening or folding these?
May 5, 2021 | 12:53 a.m.
What do you think is more profitable against blinds that under 3bet in general vs the button. 3.5bb open or 2bb open?
The 3.5bb open people are going to over defend too wide of a range.
The 2.0bb open people are going to over fold their BB Not calling enough suited hands or KXo QXo hands.
Post flop you are playing 4.5bb pot vs a 7.5bb pot.
Playing bigger pots IP BU vs BB should be more profitable right? Not sure if we are cutting too much of their range out preflop by using 3.5 instead of 2bb. There are times where we want to keep their Q2s or A6o hands in their range for post flop value for when both players hit top pair and you have them dominated.
Really unsure what makes the most money against the pool. Personally I think I struggle vs 3.5 - 5bb opens that I see on ignition from the button. I was over calling preflop with too many K9o Q9o J9o type hands. Then over folding post flop because I am not finding the Ah2h floats on Js4c4d boards that you showed in this video.
So leaning towards starting to open a bigger size myself, but haven't tried it out yet. Also would you just RNG this sizing? If you used 4 sizes (2bb, 2.5, 3bb, and 3.5bb) would you just RNG (0-25 = 2bb, 26-50 = 2.5bb, 51-75 = 3bb, and 76-100 = 3.5bb) ? Seems like a lot of extra complexity without know the reward for it. Not sure if should just use RNG for this 45% button range or split my range more based on what I want to accomplish, being off suite hands benefit from my FE. Suited hands don't mind calls. Then protecting each of those ranges with enough strong hands in both.
Sorry for the rambling. Thought it was a pretty advanced video. Went a little above my head in all honesty, hence the scattered questions and rambling. But very happy you made it. Happy to stimulate my brain a bit more.
May 5, 2021 | 12:13 a.m.
24:30 you mention bluffing this river with J high or lower? If opponent is supposed to pure call a lot of ace high for a small sizing and mix call vs a 3/4 sizing. How would you approach a pool that is only calling ace high at a small percentage of the time? On low stakes I would guess I get called by ace high here roughly 20% vs small sizing and rarely get called vs 3/4 sizing. In some of Uri's videos he mentions the way to beat 200NL is to bluff a lot! and value bet a lot. Given the common line for flop and turn to go XX-XX opponent is going to have some form of small pair or ace high pretty often. I was thinking if we can just bet entire range here when it goes XX-XX and we get to the river, where our ace highs can get better ace highs to fold and some pairs gain value from small frequency of calls from ace highs. Similar to how people range bet 1/3 on the flop for their cbets. What happens when you range bet these rivers? Maybe 50% sizing as an in-between sizing makes a lot of sense to me instead of using 1/3 or 3/4. I hope my question is clear... Trying to figure out best way to exploit a pool that over folds (Fit or fold) in this spot. But they are pretty elastic with their calling range as bigger pairs mostly only pairs call and smaller bet some ace highs will start to call. Feels like I can bet almost ATC here and just focus on pattern recognition of the pool over folding here?
May 4, 2021 | 11:44 p.m.
Still waiting for some of your bodog videos :-) Enjoyed this exploit thought process. Thank you for the feed back. I try to be as data drive as possible without putting too many details into the comments for exact #s.
May 4, 2021 | 8:21 p.m.
* 1) 14:40* Co 2.5 vs SB 8.5bb mention you would pure continue Q9s+ but Q8s cusp being the 3 bet is less than 4x. I am seeing a lot of this sizing being used being people are just clicking PSB for 8.5bb, but in general I find their ranges to be pretty tight. How do you balance these pot odd situations vs the small sizing against tight ranges? Part of me just wants to defend Q10s+ against these tighter ranges. Even Q10s starts to feel like a fold vs tight range 9-10% range.
2) 15:50 T#2 any merit to 3 betting the flop BvB? on the Q92r I would expect 99 and QQ to 3 bet preflop pure, but there is still Q2s and all Q9 combos in range. Are you pure calling K10s or mixing in some 3 bets?
3) 25 min - nice to Steve playing 200NL here. I was going to ask what you think about the 3x sizing from CO here(screen shot below)? The games I play in on ignition the pool tends to under 3 bet and they have a wide cold call range. I feel opening 3x does gain some value vs their cold call range, but you have to over fold to 3 bets because now 9-10bb is going into the middle instead of 7-8bb. My question is would the 3bb open be more profitable from the number of SRP or getting better implieds in 3BP vs a tight range? What I usually see is 2.5x gets 3 bet to 7-8bb and 3bb gets 3bet to 9-10bb. Only getting 3 bet from the cutoff about 20% of the time between the three players behind left to act. The BB defense for 2.5x or 3x opens seems some what inelastic but 1-2% difference. Thinking maybe 2.5x from EP/MP and 3bb from co/btn/sb for these anonymous pools. Thanks for any feed back on this.
May 4, 2021 | 9:24 a.m.
One thing I noticed every time I move up is I level myself into thinking how good regs are at the next level up. Some times I give them too much respect for being capable of bluffing in certain spots, but what I find is the pool at most mid and low stakes underbluffs dramatically compared to what you see in PIO charts. Usually it is a tough learning curve before you realize your +EV bluff catchers are actually -EV because the pool just isn't bluffing enough combos.
Fantastic job moving up! I think it's important to play the same strategy you were on 100NL and not really make any adjustments to the next level up until you actually have data to support your claims.
what Kind of stats are you working with in terms of basic ones vpip/pfr/3bet? cbet F T R? WSD WWSF?
May 4, 2021 | 12:35 a.m.
Welcome @HawksWin a dedicated forum member. Not easy to make top 5 with mostly forum comments.
May 4, 2021 | 12:25 a.m.
In reference to the thread I looked him up. Super impressive results for what seems to be superturbos as his main game. To have a graph like that in one of the most volatile types of games you can play wow! Recent results shows he has been playing a bunch of 1k and 2k STs. Maybe a martingale style and try and win 1 game out it 6? 50-100-200-500-1000-2000? Soon as you win one back to the bottom start over? Props to whatever the guy is doing.
May 2, 2021 | 8:17 p.m.
Why are your hot keys all bunched up like this? Eye sore!
How are you doing on 500z this year or still mostly playing reg tables 1k?
15:40 T#2 A little after you say there is a pattern on 500z of players telegraphing their exact hands with their bet sizes you come across this spot. Given it's not a typical sizing you would choose leads me to believe it's in the weaker part of villains range. Any merit to raising the flop here, so you are not XF 70% of turns vs a 2nd barrel?
May 1, 2021 | 1:30 a.m.
Hi Ben Sulsky
Because of your recent talk about downswings in this video I went back and found your graph from a video you made a year ago. Wanted to know if you can share your results over the past year for 500z and what type of adjustments you are making? Here is the video you made a year ago "Who are the best 500z players" How big of a downswing stretch is this "small sample?" In this old video you mention the pool under bluffs a ton. Then a year later, still mention the pool always seems to have it despite your elite blockers. Given not much seemed to change over a year, in terms of regulars bluffing frequency at what point do you plan on changing your strategy?
Eh, I need a pretty big sample to stop bluff catching anything that's >= 0EV at equilibrium. I'll tweak my mixes up and down depending on my feeling for the spot and player.
I know you mentioned this above, but not quite sure it's a big enough adjustment if still having the same problem from a year ago? I do not mean any disrespect by this post either. You can see how naive my comments were a year ago regarding this topic over your small sample in terms of adjusting your strategy.
April 30, 2021 | 11:29 p.m.
27:20 T#2 with the AcTs on the Jc6s2c board the flop call is a little baffling, but I think the thought process for these players is as simple as he bet small, so he doesn't have a pair yet and I'm just going to take it away on the turn when he bets and gives up on the turn. I see this a lot on lower stakes actually. They are not concerned about their equity or playing their range, they just float random garbage and try to make plays. I had a guy once float me with 75o on AQJr board because I bet 25% pot. I did check sizing choice on the J62cc board, it is split between really small sizing and half pot sizing. I do agree with you that your bluff is good to get Jx hands to fold or maybe a hand like 9c9x. I also get upset with these situations where you know in theory it's a good play, but against certain opponents you get mad at yourself for not just playing a more exploitative style. Even on hands I win I get mad at myself because In real time I know I shouldn't bluff this guy, but I do it anyways, but say I get lucky on the river and win! I am still mad at myself for making a "dumb play" that I know I shouldn't of made. Any advice on handling your emotions like this?
34min T#2 - 99 squeeze vs BTN + SB CC. Curious why you used a smaller 11.5bb sizing here given the BB is going to be polar? I guess more linear in squeeze spots so size down? Recent video by Sauce I saw him going to 14bb vs UTG 2.2x and also vs btn 2.5x going to 14bb from the BB (non-squeezed spot). I thought this would be closer to 15bb for a standard sizing? If btn raises 2.2 and you 3bet from the BB I assume you still go 11-12bb? Curious how the SB cold call plays into your preflop sizing and also range construction?
There are some spots where K8s folds EP and K5s folds MP. I think in past videos as low as K5s was opening from EP or K7s+. Any thoughts on these KXs hands being opens or folds? I see you use RNG for 65s from MP, but KXs doesn't appear to be a second thought for some of your folds.
April 30, 2021 | 11:15 p.m.
Small bet would be hand specific. For example JJ & TT are still betting this turn at a decent frequency. Should be fine to have a small and big size. The main reason to bet small with 88 is just an exploit of people not check raising enough.
April 30, 2021 | 8:51 p.m.
41:40 you mention you don't like the big bet on the turn, but it is a low frequency over bet with 54c. Don't have 43c in the range, but because you have all the AQ AK QQ KK AA in your range where the BB has very little of if any you can see in the chart below a lot of pair + Fd or pair + SD are taking a lot of over bets here. KJ, KT, Q8s, K2c etc. So solver does prefer to block some 2 pairs type hands but either way It's a good play!
April 30, 2021 | 2:17 a.m.
32:45 is a spot I am tempted to block the turn with. Given how many ace high floats villain has, hearts, and two broadway cards that pick up equity like JTd KJd, KTd etc a long with some smaller pairs that float. Because the pool doesn't XR bluff often enough and tends to call with their draws I am very tempted to block the turn for value and check back rivers rather than bluff catching the river. In general turn is supposed to be polar with your range, but I feel like this is a great node lock spot where pool isn't aggressive enough post flop and these thin value bets don't get punished. If you node lock 0% check raise here on the turn do you think you would bet the turn? Looking at wizard pool against a block bet on the turn supposed to check raise around 20% of the time vs a 20% sizing. I would estimate it is closer to 5-7%. Check more with 8h8x.
April 30, 2021 | 1:47 a.m.
8:45 with AJs MP vs BTN I like your 4 bet in general as people are going to over 3bet the button rather than flat call in these spots. I would note the BTN should be semi polarized with some of his 3 betting though. It's a mix of linear / polar being everything is mixed and the polar parts of the range mostly come from mid to low AXs hands. I think that is why the solvers don't like 4 betting a more linear hand like AJs in this spot because you dominate so many other AXs that 3 bets. Where 4 betting more KJs, K10s, AQo, A5s hands can get folds from better hands or deny a lot of equity. Think it's a really close spot, just wonder if oop strategy should be more polar with the 4 bets here... [QQ+, AK+, ATs, KTs, A5s-A3s, 76s?]
Just emphasis what I am talking a little bit more about is if you are MP vs CO, now I think 4 betting linear might be ok since CO should also be linear playing a 3 bet / fold strategy. I see more AJs actually 4 betting MP vs CO than MP vs BTN due to btn having a flatting range (being polar). So attacking linear with linear and polar vs polar.
April 30, 2021 | 1:16 a.m.
8 min BvB on QJ8r. What do you think of a heuristic of cbetting boards where opponent only has 1 set or less on the board? Where opponent will rarely have QQ or JJ on this board, so swings me towards cbetting this board oop. Where If board was J87 (noticed T9 makes nuts on both boards) but now BB can have 88 and 77, so less likely to cbet. On wizard cbetting 71% on QJ8 and 57% on J87, so there is something there about having more sets available when choosing to cbet or check. I think it was Luke's video where he bet 20% on AJ8 board and barreled turn AJ8J, where most people won't bet JX on the flop (3 ways) but he says with smaller bet can still bet and then polarize turn still.
I think these little heuristics really help because on one side of the spectrum you have some coaches teaching to check range oop in SRP, other coaches trying to find a balance of check and bets, and then players actually cbetting too often in general.
Any thoughts on cbetting strategy OOP? Does the heuristic sound logical?
April 30, 2021 | 1:07 a.m.
15:45 with 44 when you say 44 is snapping this river bet (ended up being pure fold), but hand before the opponent chose not to bluff the Q6o (showing a propensity to not bluff frequently enough) at what hand strength do you adjust to bluff catching against players that do not bluff enough? Just start folding ace highs to them and calling all pairs? There was another hand where you folded KJ but ended up being a pure call in PIO. I would think folding is correct against this player who lacks bluffs. Would be interested in seeing some node locking where you just remove a couple of bluffs from opponents range to see if these bluff catchers are actually still bluff catchers or not. Some times PIO does some crazy stuff when you remove just a few combos from opponents range.
I agree with above comments when you are doing PIO work and have a bunch of note pads the webcam is not really useful. It does help user engage in the content, but you go fast enough with lot of moving pieces where we are not just staring at the same slide for 2 minutes with nothing happening.
Also I think all your videos have gotten fantastic feed back and quickly rising through the ranks of top elite coaches. Look forward to part 2.
April 29, 2021 | 9:54 p.m.
against big overbets where we need to win 37%+ of the time
I will start using pot odds in my game. I actually have it set up to view in game while I'm playing, but haven't been looking at it recently. Just need to look at pot odds on the river and ask myself "Do I win XX% of the time?" Simple game. Need to filter for river decisions where I face 75%, PSB, and over bet and check their bluffing frequency. This will make the process even easier!
April 29, 2021 | 5:39 a.m.
13 min T#1 Co 2.25 & hero 3B BB 14bb. Probably the first coach I've seen use over a 6x sizing that is not a squeeze. Against players that use this type of sizing what type of range are you looking to 4 bet with and to what sizing?
What kind of sample are you looking for before you stop bluff catching as much? You said running bad over a small sample and have a hard time figuring out peoples bluffing frequency when you are running bad. How many hands before you adjust to folding some of the TPGK bluff catchers?
Timing Tell at 38min mark is pretty reliable. Not sure about the 3/4 sizing on the turn, but I agree with the timing tell.
April 29, 2021 | 3:17 a.m.
5:50 CO AQo vs SB 3B, I would consider 4 betting preflop with some off suite AQ, AJ, & KQ about 25% of the time.
9min - 88 on KJ9cc. mention only cbetting 30% of the time but that is for half pot sizing. On this board since you have pretty high equity advantage why not just bet range for 25% sizing? Maybe not full range but any 88-22 with a club, all your gutters, any pair that hits the board, etc. You get a lot of folds from AXS hands with no bd, get value from some SCs, and don't get bluffed off your hand from 88-44 type hands where you have to XF.
Pretty solid video overall. Enjoy your post audio videos the most.
April 28, 2021 | 4:51 p.m.
Mentioned playing 8am - 1pm UK time. How come you don't play later in the evenings when there is more action? Curious what kind of daily schedule you have? I tend to wake up late, so I accept a more noon - 3am type schedule for getting everything done.
36:15 Kd-6c-4c board folding TsTd to 1/3. It does seem a bit tight, where you definitely want to continue with TcTx, but also you do not want the TdTx in your hand blocking some bdfd that cbets. Is this more of a fold do the stack sizes?
I do not mind the exploit type videos, actually prefer them, but hope can explain some of the exploits you are using without hurting your own strategy too much. Maybe not give all the information away, but things we can look for in our own pools to develop some of our own exploits. That way you are not giving other players stats away at the same time. Something simple like "looking at F3B, call 3B and fold cbet."
42:20 with KQ on AJ6r when you cbet 25% 3 ways and polarize the turn with an overbet, do you have any Jx in your range there? I thought a lot of 6x and Jx were just checking the flop and betting more AT+ and draws. The turn bet seems a bit suspicious unless your range betting flop 3 ways.
Looking forward to next video where you PIO some of these marked hands.
April 28, 2021 | 12:52 a.m.
Nice to see coaches learning from other coaches on content producing I.e the note pad use by Luke that you implemented as well.
32:45 with T8d on the Js-Jh-5d-7d board do you think T8d does more raising because it blocks J8d T8d? Where if the board was Jd-Jh-5s-7d the T8d would now do less raising?
45:30 I think the QTo on KQQr does less raising because they are at a set or nut disadvantage. Where lower paired boards k77 villain gets to do more raising with trips. Higher paired boards are just going to favor IP too much. Also a lot of QJs QTs KQs hands are 3 betting preflop, so IP might have a trip advantage, but it's close with all the lower Q9s-Q3s hands that defend preflop. A simple heuristic I started using recently was when player has less than 2 sets on the board for example KQ7 where BB won't have KK or QQ they should do less raising, where if there are two lower cards on the board they can do more raising. I think this applies to some paired boards as well.