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RunItTw1ce

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Given the SPR, couldn't you just "milk" the OOP player by going small on every street given the range advantage? Even 1/3 on turn and river gets stacks in still.

May 23, 2019 | 6:20 p.m.

I feel like I have a losing session in live poker every time I watch your videos... Your loose gamble gamble mood makes me a calling station against players who never bluff :( Really curious what your graph looks like. I imagine some extreme variance!!!! Your loose calls preflop works for you as you said you are able to find exploits postflop that Pio won't find. Fish like me will get lost postflop, so the loose call preflop only compounds my preflop "mistake."

May 23, 2019 | 5:12 p.m.

Comment | RunItTw1ce commented on Block Betting

At 15:14 can you talk about your calling range in this spot vs a squeeze? You mentioned you have TT as a pure mix, then you have low frequency of AK, JJ, & QQ. Are you calling all pairs and Axs preflop? I ask because you said this is not a bad board for oop player. If this is not a bad board, this would mean you have a wider calling range for board coverage?

Had a friend that was starting to drop some small pairs in 3bet pots and calling with more SCs for board coverage. What do you think about this?

May 23, 2019 | 2:36 p.m.

Comment | RunItTw1ce commented on Block Betting

I thought on two Broadway board textures JTx, AQx, KQx, QJx, QTx, etc in a 3 bet pot, the 3-bettor is supposed to use a larger sizing which is pushing range advantage. Are you using smaller sizing at 10:53 because of the SPR or just using a more simplified strategy in general?

May 23, 2019 | 2:29 p.m.

31:15 you elect to check back the turn to induce bluffs on the river. You cold 4 bet AQ, bet 1/4th on the flop and checked back the turn. You stated 8 bluff combos T9s & J10s as potential bluffs. If a A, 9, J, or T land on the river are you ever folding? Seems like you give 5:1 odds on the flop, then let villain realize equity really cheaply. I agree with preflop & flop sizing, but feel you cap you range a bit on the turn while letting villain realize at the same time. If you had QQ, KK, AA, or AK are you checking the turn?

May 23, 2019 | 2:08 p.m.

Live players think in absolute value, not BB. Also the straddle of $10, if we play at the same place, you can technically make it $15 because they are treating the straddle as a raise and not an open. The $2-$3-$5-$10 then is not a true BB of $10. You will still see people open $20 for min because that is the value of their hand. A lot of the players are not thinking 4bb raise and make it $40. Hopefully this helps.

What ended up happening?

May 23, 2019 | 1:28 p.m.

Most players accidentally choose a slow death.

May 23, 2019 | 1:25 p.m.

Do you think OTB called last hand because Linus used 1/3 sizing on the turn, then PSB on the river? If Linus is using small sizing representing thin value or cheap draw, doesn't make sense to use large sizing on the river right? That is why OTB called so light?

May 20, 2019 | 8:46 p.m.

I also play in the Bay area and your flop sizing is a reliable tell people have betting around 40% pot. Your brain is saying you have best hand, but not a great hand. If you had a hand like 99 or AA you would likely size up to around $80 for your cbet. Your $60 bet looks like JJ TT, KQ, QJs, type of hand.

Against XR I think you have to call once, but against a larger sizing, our pool is not raising draws, espcially for a min raise, so if SB made it $180 you can exploitably fold KQ on the flop. I think your flop sizing needs to either be smaller around $45 or larger $80-$110 range.

Turn and river are fine..i would go smaller as an exploit because against a XMR and a check on the turn, you are targeting a weak Qx, but mostly one pair hand. You can barrel 1\3 on every street for value targeting 1 pair. Some times you run into a nit roll scared of J10, QQ, or Kk when they hold 99 or 55. I would still be betting top two for value. Not changing my strategy because of one nit roll.

May 20, 2019 | 4:02 a.m.

Check call, check call, lead line is super strong in live games. Idk about online, but should put you in a tough spot if he uses a polarized sizing even with KJ no spade if you face a 1.5x river donk bet or larger, I would imagine it to be pretty uncomfortable. I see players like Dekkers folds QT on QT865 boards or Elusivemark make a crying call with Tt on QJTxx board multiway facing over bet. Just saying not an easy situation and many players dont use the line because check raise is more standard or tbey believe 9x has enough sdv. Interested to see what PIO does facing a 1.5x river donk bet.

May 17, 2019 | 12:58 p.m.

Patrick Sekinger 16:51 AA vs 9x8s would you consider turning 98o into a bluff in villain's shoes? Seems like there are very few flushes possible in your range given the blocks on he board and his hand. Also considering you potted the flop and 3/4 pot the turn.

May 16, 2019 | 12:23 a.m.

Hi Team,

I am almost done with the ground up series by Peter clarke, but this is mostly based online. Although most concepts do transition over to live.
One thing I struggle with and have no way of knowing what is best is isolating players. Typically i'll go $20+$5 per limper ($3/$5), doesn't work as well as most people would hope in terms of isolating. Hands like small pairs 22-77, or SCs 65s-T9s I tend to mix up between going $20+$5 or just throwing in a small raise to get some of the blinds to fold and gain initiative. I used to do this at $1/$3 a lot and made some decent money with these little "pot builder" raises.

Some people say if there are 3-4 limpers it's worse to over limp in the CO/btn with J10o and it's best just to fold it or raise big $40-$50 and punish the limpers. I find over limping to be ok in this spot especially with the pool limping in with hands like KJ and A10. I tend to value own myself with top pair for two streets targing hands like 88-99 or 7x on J72 boards.

Typical spot as an example.
You are in the CO
EP limps. MP limps. HJ limps.
hero Co
What would you do with the following hands?
A) 77 (over limp or raise ? bet size )
B) J10o (over limp or raise ? bet size _
)
C) 87s (over limp or raise ? bet size
)
D) A7s (over limp or raise ? bet size
)
E) KJo (over limp or raise ? bet size _
_)

Typically with 3 limpers I would put in a raise to $35-$40. I question if just throwing in $20 to get BTN & blinds to fold is a thing? I gain initiative, I have position if btn folds, and often times they will check to the PFR. I do not bloat the pot, given $500 stacks. I do not assume anyone will fold to $20, so SPR will be around 6 with $480 stacks and $80 pot opposed to around 3 SPR ($140 pot with $465 stacks).

This is geared towards live poker where players are often limping in random broadways, SCs, Kxs, Axs, small and medium pairs, etc. Their raising ranges are quite tight as I posted in another thread being around 8-10% [77+, AJ+, KQ+, A10s+ QJs+, KJs+ (9.35%)] Against their raise just looking to set mine and play hands with robust equity. Against their imps, I am not sure if I should be over limping, making a small raise, or a large raise?

May 15, 2019 | 11:39 p.m.

Henry (Alltonew), Patrick (psek1), & Peter (carroters) are all top notch imo. I also enjoy videos where it is truely six max and not short handed 3-4 people. I think a lot of high stake videos are suffering being a lot of them are short handed games. I often level myself using a short handed strategy on a full ring table :-(

May 15, 2019 | 11:20 p.m.

I play in a soft pool $3/$5 where most pots are going 4-5 ways for $20-$25 each or limped pots going 6-7 ways pretty often. Is it really necessary to have a tight range EP say 12%, 15% MP, then 20-30% LP depending on limpers, stacks, position, bet sizing, etc? I was thinking position is always important, but a hand like AJ or KQ loses quite a bit of value being oop in a 4-5 way pot. I was thinking of just dropping these hands from my EP range, which some say shouldn't be played anyways and focus on hands that have more robust equity like suited broadways. Some people will play all suited broadways, some only KJs+ from EP full ring. Given the multiway dynamics of the pool for live poker, what would your advice be for EP and MP?

Range A)
77+, AJ+, A10s+, KQ+, KJs+, J10s+

Range B)
22+, AJ+, A2s+, KQ+, ATBs+, 98s+

In the pool I play in I still believe all pockets hold quite a bit of value with little to no 3 betting going on unless its a huge pocket pair. I just don't know about hands like K10s, QTs, 54s-98s, AJ, KQ, etc.

Others advise to size up my RFI range to 5-6bb instead of 4bb to try and get heads up. I think this just allows villains to play better as their range will get narrow and i'll end up value owning myself in some spots with a hand like AJ or AQ and they have AK or QQ that didn't 3 bet.

May 15, 2019 | 11:14 p.m.

If you watch the turn probing video Peter talks briefly about this subject in regards to capped and uncapped ranges. Where uncapped ranges you will go with a smaller sizing then capped ranges you can go with a larger sizing. Gives plenty of examples to demonstrate this.

May 15, 2019 | 4:42 a.m.

Thanks Patrick Sekinger for the quick response. When you say low frequency, are you just doing 1 combo each or 3 combos each for the bdfd?

May 15, 2019 | 4:07 a.m.

Patrick Sekinger you said you are shoving with Kx+ for value given villain check called flop so you are targeting some middling pairs 99-QQ. What hands are you getting to this river with given your line that are bluffs? Given the Turn Tc, I can only see a couple bluffs being 8c7c and Ac8c given the 3c is on the board.

May 14, 2019 | 11:44 p.m.

1) 3 bet larger preflop to around 10-12bb to discourage button from making light calls IP.
2) Flop is a wet texture, which advocates for a polarized range / sizing to be used and possibly even over betting some hands.
3) vs a flop raise I would just be 3 betting and getting it in at this stack depth.
4) as played I think turn is a fold and it's optimistic to think villain is calling your 3 bet wide with hands like Q8s given him very few bluff combos. If he has something like Ac4c, you are drawing to only 3 outs.

May 14, 2019 | 11:25 p.m.

Snowie has QQ & KK as a call. AA as 5bet 100% and then AKs being a mix of 5 bet and calling. If I chose 2x pot Snowie includes some AJs-AQs as well for jamming.

May 14, 2019 | 11:11 p.m.

This was going to be my response as well, but I think the 5 bet needs to be more polar where hero is flatting some QQ and AK hands vs SB cold 4 bet, then 5 betting hands like A3s-A5s & KK-AA.

CO opens 2.5bb,
BTN 3b 8.5bb,
SB 4b 19bb,
Co 5bet to 45bb. [A3s-A5s, AA-KK].

*If you face a button shove you can fold because you are only putting in about 20% of your stack. I think 5 bet folding a hand like QQ and AK takes a way a lot of the value. Peter Clarke talks about not 4 betting TT in his 'From the Ground Up' series for the same reasons. Only 4 bet if you are planning to stack off.

May 14, 2019 | 11:04 p.m.

Comment | RunItTw1ce commented on $500 Zoom Live Play

Instead of saying people are not bluffing in this spot, I would be curious what range you would bet in their shoes. Against someone who was the PFR, who check calls the flop, then checks on the turn. Seems like someone who is check calling is obviously drawing or has some what of a capped range, so an over-bet I would assume is pretty common turn sizing these days. I agree it's not a spot that is bluffed often, but what range are you assigning in terms of bluffs / value? Do you think villain is also checking sets and 2 pairs IP vs someone who check called? What do you think villain does with QTs, J10s, QJs, AQ, KQ, etc?

May 14, 2019 | 5:28 p.m.

Makes for the few situations you can get away from KK preflop. In a 3/5 game, maybe you can 4bet to around $300 and fold to 5 bet jam vs a rec. Saves $200 as you are never folding at 100bb.

May 14, 2019 | 5:12 p.m.

I was in this spot 3x yesterday that I remember and proceeded to burn about 30bb or so pre & post. Each time I remembered watching this video and your comments on it. Lack of discipline LOL

May 11, 2019 | 9:23 p.m.

I watched a video of Peter Clarke I believe recently where he was playing 100NL and guy on his table playing like 18/15 nitty style had 1700 and 500 on the tables he was playing on, but was still viewed as one of the weaker players. Peter did say he seems to have a big stack every day though, so just curious how much his win rate is.

I would also probably not want to play too much more than 200-300bb deep because I would feel recreational would just avoid you assuming you are a winning player. Any thoughts on this?

May 11, 2019 | 9:20 p.m.

Had a little bit of a bounce back session winning a couple of buy-ins. Was flatting more often with AQo, KJs, and Axs vs raises instead of squeezing and just relying on them to make big postflop makes. I do agree with both comments above, just to have a pure value 3 bet range. I don't need to have any balance against these players until proven other wise. Seems like I do this every few months, maybe I am just getting bored? Where I am playing a solid ABC type strategy and printing money, then I watch a few videos on 3 betting and end up going on a downswing not doing it correctly against the right opponents. Thanks for all the feed back. Some times the simplest comments make the biggest impact.

May 11, 2019 | 9:13 p.m.

Comment | RunItTw1ce commented on $500 Zoom Live Play

I just can't get behind TT being a "crying call" on QJT4-x in a single raised pot. Your opponent basically did what I was talking about and bet his high equity draw on this texture and almost made you fold TT. Just seems like a bet / 3bet spot on the flop if you are raised and get it in. There are not enough stronger hands in cold callers range for it to be a bad play.

May 11, 2019 | 9:05 p.m.

Post | RunItTw1ce posted in Courses Forum: Mixed 3 bet strategy for other positions.

Hello Peter,

I know you are not a big believer in hand charts, but show quite a few throughout your series. My question is on Episode 16 for your mixed 3 bet strategy where you show a chart for BTN vs BB open. Curious what range you are using for other positions? I play live poker mostly, so curious about some full ring charts vs recreational players. Would your mixed strategy look more like your polar chart when facing a raise from EP / MP and you are CO/BTN?

May 10, 2019 | 7:57 p.m.

'From the ground up series' with Peter Clarke I took the following chart of a polar 3 bet strategy. Before because I viewed my play pool of playing some where around vpip 40 / pfr 15 I was using a linear 3 bet range. Going over some of the hands, I think the PFR is closer to 8%, so a 40/8 style for most players and even some of the "good regs" are only playing like a 20/12 style with a low 3 bet stat of 3-4%, which is the value range of the chart below.

I think I had a mental block where I was using linear 3 bet range because I was targeting their wide range, but not taking into account their PFR being pretty tight. I was there for value owning myself postflop in a lot of spots with AJ, KQ, KJs, etc etc. Creating low SPRs and losing half a stack pretty often in the process.

Against these tight PFRs would a polar strategy be best? I think even just sticking to mostly the value portion and not really worry about balance is best. Just occasionally mix in some bluffs from the hands highlighted in red. If I get a squeeze opportunity where I noticed a change in bet size as an exploit.

May 10, 2019 | 7:26 p.m.

Excellent break down. I did think 4 betting then checking this flop looks a lot like KK from how I see other players play it. I tend to just bet my hands and hope for the best. Cold 4 bet range is going to be really tight range for me especially against this player. I would actually just consider folding QQ vs him preflop and not even call or 4 bet myself. JJ I am folding pretty close to 100% vs this particular opponent. It's just a question of how I play QQ+ & AK, which is why I chose to bet this flop because QQ is my weakest holding on this texture.

In tougher games or people that are capable of 3 betting light, can mix in some A3s-A5s, A10s-AKs as my 4 bets to go a long with JJ+ and make a decision if they flat or 5 bet.

I do think I need to worry a hell of a lot less about balance and what my hand looks like. I give opponent too much credit for hand reading imo.

May 10, 2019 | 6:44 p.m.

I do not think I am very skilled in deep games. I'll usually end up table changing if I double up my first buy-in to try and free roll on the next table if you will. On 2nd table i'll try and run it up as much as possible unless game gets tight, where i'll table change again if I see a softer table. Most of the players in my pool won't play deep anyways. I only see a small handful of regs who enjoy having the biggest stack at the table and running it up to 5-8 buy-ins. I think my issue is more mental where I will get deep and despite other player being an aggro fish I seem to get set over set or KK vs AA some type of cooler where he is the main spot at the table and it's just not a spot where I can fold. I am curious of this one regs win rate though, who always seems to have a big stack. I know his game very well, but with other stacks being $300-$800, I would imagine his win rate is not much higher than a regular 100bb game. Thanks for all the feed back. I'll use 1.5x as a standard.

May 10, 2019 | 6:36 p.m.

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