augballer88

i find it weird that villain has a 3bet range on this flop as he shouldn't have any 3x and you have all the overpairs. as far as your flop line, every option is on the table. you should have an x/r on this board and this hand is a nice candidate. i'd prefer to x/c with stronger nfd's that have higher sdv

yeah absolutely. you're getting direct odds to peel, in position, with implied odds. villain appears to be a rec since he shouldn't be leading that board so he'll pay you off more often when you hit. you could find a raise at some point as well at some frequency. villain could easily be donking with worse than 2pair+ (unless you have reads otherwise)

i think i'd fold pre. this hand will often struggle to navigate postflop (as seen here) and there won't be many boards you're happy to get money in. even when you make top pair you're oftentimes dominated by bb's/utg's extremely strong ranges which includes a ton of AK. the only thing going for us is our position which makes me want to call a bit more but really wouldn't be excited about it

MajinVeta yeah check out my comment above lol. i will re run the sim when i get back home

DNegs98 no you're totally right. i probably pulled the range from a different sim and forgot to tweak some of the hands such as AJs/KQs to include them at 100%. that should probably drive the flop betting frequency down somewhat

MajinVeta this is still a slightly higher ev board for ip in my sim. this is due to the fact that ip gets to realize/overrealize his equity due to a positional advantage. if the positions were reversed, the evs would probably flip as well and oop would be forced to range check

DNegs98 my sim assumed a 3b/fold only range as well, but i don't 3bet all suited broadways/connectors 100% of the time co v utg so they are weighed to some approximation of my frequencies. would you mind sharing what your 3b range might look like in these positions?

not sure why everyone is so quick to auto check flop. hero is ip and still has sets/2p reasonably often. we also give ourselves less of a chance to stack villain when we take away a street of betting, especially when deep. obviously we have to exercise caution on this board but it's not like it's 876tt in which case range checking is probably correct.

my sim has hero betting roughly 30% of the time with 1/3 being the preferred size (did not give vil a donking range)

https://imgur.com/a/PRR7sJM

Pre is close for me vs a >3x sizing. I tend to fold this particular combo as it gets dominated on QJT boards. Turn is probably a high frequency fold if hero doesn’t have a river donking range

what should co's range look like for calling a 2.75x 4b vs utg? would you only use an all in sizing ott as hero?

you have too much sdv to bluff with this hand and you're just isolating yourself vs better with the shove while denying him the opportunity to bluff. you have other natural bluffs such as AQ, ATs, etc. you also gave him way too wide of a 4bet defense range, which in reality should look like TT+,AJs+ given these positions. there aren't a ton of draws given the tight ranges so equity denial isn't much of a concern here. i'd much prefer another 1/3 or 1/4 size bet ott if you're that concerned about protection.

pre is close. the fact that you're uncertain about stacking off with basically a top of range hand vs an opponent that's likely to apply pressure makes me lean toward folding or 4betting to minimize postflop mistakes.

also is his w$sd really 21%?

1BuckPlease: "I think randomness level is in the outer space."
there's little point in consulting a solver when we're up against such a volatile opponent whose ranges & frequencies are probably so jacked that it would make pio crash your pc. whales are likely to spaz here with so much worse than just flushes that your hand is basically a snap

forCarlotta
"So basically villain can take this line ATC and show a profit since we cannot have a hand often and we call only with very very few combos"

when villain bombs the river it's correct to fold some strong, non nutted combos, and our calling range is very well protected by the top of our range (boats, which we will have all combos of). so no, villain cannot take this line with atc, and in fact we are exploiting population here by overfolding vs a super nutted and underbluffed line. see my post below for more comments and solution to the river play.

this is one of those spots that will level you up as a poker player when you learn to have the discipline to make the tough but necessary folds. stop thinking about your hand in absolute value terms. having a straight starts to lose all meaning when it's up against a weaker player's 1.5x pot river shoving range. the guy won't shove worse for value either, and nevermind that it's nearly impossible to come up with a bluff on a runout that absolutely smashes your range. while not as glamorous, remember that making the right herofolds prints money too.

solver stuff: pio is basically pure folding QJ without a diamond blocker. this is vs a gto bot btw, who will come up with an appropriate amount of bluffs for every spot. which means your hand is dead and you should've folded yesterday while loling at the fact that villain chose an awful sizing that isolates itself vs better hands (which you will have plenty to call with). fwiw, in theory, hands containing Tx make better calls blocking boats but i'd be extremely selective here and probably start looking pool up with nut flushes with Tx blockers and better.

river solution: https://i.imgur.com/xlBvHar.png

actually, i misread the turn - i thought it brought the double flush draw. since it didn't, i'm leaning towards flatting turn more often than not because when the money goes in, you're often gonna be up against a set and there aren't a whole lot of draws for him to call

edit: just checked with solver. it never shoves turn with worse than 88 for value and there is a huge difference in ev between shoving and calling AK

fold pre

+1. this is actually a spot where most villains will have a reasonably balanced defending range, with some natural x/c's such as mid-bot pairs with a ton of redraws so betting a hand with such low equity and potential is lighting money on fire

JonathanPla since villain bet 2/3 pot~, you only need to be good somewhere around 28% to break even. villain's value range is tight here, so he needs to find just a handful of bluffs for you to get the right odds. the problem is, most players (apart from aggros) will just take showdown value with underpairs/ace highs and not turn them into bluffs or valuebets so x/calling might actually be -ev. if you know you're never x/folding here it's better to just bet yourself and give him a chance to hero you with something.

i'd rather just shove myself or make a small exploitative bet and put his 77-JJ into a tough decision rather having him make an easy xb. you only lose to some discounted combos of AK and 6x.

x turn. this card interacts too well with both players' ranges, esp bb's, and we hate getting raised with this hand.

nh. personally i simplify to 1/3 with range otf on this board which smashes our 3betting range. the rest is really standard. i think we should mainly look to 3barrel this combo as most villains won't find enough bluffs and tend to not bet thinly enough ott to merit checking

seems fine. every option ott has merit. the stabbier you think villain is, the more i like x/calling when we're protected by the flush redraw. would prefer to x/jam some strong Ax combos that need more protection

could consider checking flop against spewy co (and multiway in general) on this fairly coordinated board. never folding as played and mixing shoves and calls ott seems good, preferring jamming for equity denial, especially when oop.

betting or checking are both fine in practice vs fish multiway. especially vs face up passive fish. vs more aggro/stabby villains i tend to check range. sizing is good. x/f river unless you think villain's turning a bunch of lower pair+draw into bluffs.

You're 2P is counterfeited now so not even beating hands like J8, J9,
JT, QT, KT, AT that would all probably take this line on flop and
turn.

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seems like most mid-higher stakes players nowadays tend to use a smaller opening sizing out of position (not including bvb). correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe this is to keep the pot smaller when playing at a positional disadvantage, and to lose less the times you face a 3bet, which will happen more often when you have more players left to act. also i suppose rake plays a factor as well, as it's less costly to see flops at higher stakes. fellow rio coach saulo ribeiro (who's recently left us essential plebs for elite - reeeeeeeeeeeee!) opens smaller oop and increases to 3x on both co and btn to leverage his positional advantage. obviously in a softer environment such as the site you're playing on it makes more sense to open bigger (from all positions) since you'll face less aggression and inflating pots vs weaker opponents is never a bad thing. i'd like to hear others' opinions on this too.

A2s-A4s should not be in a regular's CO cold calling range pre and they're nowhere close to being natural bluffs on the river. bluffing with JTs seems bad as it blocks hero's 3barrel bluffs. villain has to be ultra selective about his river bluffing combos as he only has a handful of value combos, is jamming into an uncapped range, and would therefore prefer blockers to hero's nutted range, i.e. boats, which villain will struggle to come up with.