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Hand History | kevson180 posted in NLHE: NL5 - River decision - check or shove?
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players) BN: $5.39
SB: $5.00 (Hero)
BB: $4.35
UTG: $5.15
MP: $19.85
CO: $5.04
Preflop ($0.07) Hero is SB with 7 9
3 folds, BN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.40, BB folds, BN calls $0.28
Flop ($0.85) 8 3 7
Hero bets $0.46, BN calls $0.46
Turn ($1.77) 8 3 7 6
Hero bets $1.14, BN calls $1.14
River ($4.05) 8 3 7 6 A
Hero bets $3.00 and is all in, BN calls $3.00

Aug. 4, 2017 | 10:12 p.m.

If u think u have to fold this one on the flop, fold pre!

I think we're also able to just call OTF. We're closing the action, furthermore we have a low variance spot. On turns like 9s and bet - call we can call or fold, with our good position to the OR (relative position) we can control the size of the pot on many turn cards and bring it in on blanks with higher EQ.

Dec. 30, 2016 | 3:53 a.m.

I would have played bet,bet,shove here. This line looks really strong, even the worst of fish gets the message here I guess. An alternative would be x/jam turn. When he's limp/calling here I think he also stacks off Kx on the turn here.

Dec. 30, 2016 | 3:45 a.m.

I would bet the turn. The 9h is a better card for his range, but I think we have to protect our hand and can easily get value from worse hands like Kx and FD's, as u said. I would consider a x/c line with the Ad here.

Dec. 30, 2016 | 3:41 a.m.

Hands like TT/99 often xback on the flop, so there are JJ+, Jx that beats u. Can't believe he triple barrel a hand like 22 or 5x (further, there are not many bluff combos he could have).

Fold is fine.

Oct. 24, 2015 | 11:11 a.m.

His PSbet on the river seems very strong, but u never check a flush on the turn, don't u?
It's a perfect spot for villain to bluff busted AcXx combos. AND he even will be valuebetting worse hands (do you xb AK in villain shoes given the way u've played the hand?)

From a GTO perspective, we should call here. On 10NL+ timing/sizing tells it could be either a fold or a call.

Sept. 6, 2015 | 2:24 a.m.

Pre: flatting is fine. How your range looks like in this spot?` Do you have some 4bet (+4bet bluffs), or do you even flat AA here?

Post: I don't know you bet this hand on turn/river. We have some SDvalue, on the turn we can x/c a bet if we want to w/GSSD + 2 overs. On the river we can just x/f this.

What 'value' hands do you have here? Personally, I fold all AJ/AT/JT combos pre so there are only JJ (1combo) and TT (3combos). When he does have some blockers (AT as a 3bet bluff in his shoes would be a perfect hand to calldown; he blocks TT and AA/AJ/AT), he's never folding here.

Sometimes he have QQ here (but in general ppl doesn't 3bet QQ vs UTG open) and calls down here.

I would just keep the pot small with 2 overs OOP in a 3bet pot.

Sept. 6, 2015 | 2:12 a.m.

Pre: We can 3bet or just flat here. In general I would maybe just flat QQ here, 3bet KK+, AKs and some bluffs. But it's okay for sure to 3bet this.

Flop: You give too few information to have a clear decision here.
- do you know him? How he's playing? Maybe u know he's capable of slowplaying KK/AA here quite often?
- Which site? players on 888poker play differently than players on for example pokerstars

Vs unknown, I'm gonna call this (altough Qd is a card we don'T want to have in this scenario, we block AQdd, KQdd, QJdd). We he definately can have 77-JJ here (don't know how loose he's calling his pairs pre and shove them). His value range is just KK+ I guess. Can't believe some1 ever pushes A2 or 55/22 here.

Sept. 6, 2015 | 2:05 a.m.

Comment | kevson180 commented on NL10 riverdecision

Pre: Fold or 3bet this guy. Vs unknown + 4x open it's an easy fold.
I would go a bit bigger on turn. like 2-2.2$. River is a (clear) xB I think. Don't think we get calls from AQ/AJ or something else too often to make it a +ev bet.

Aug. 17, 2015 | 7:31 p.m.

I would also bet on the flop. we can xb JJ+ here I guess. If villain doesn't have an Ace, we give him an opportunity to outdraw us with his overs.

on the turn I really consider x/r (only if u x/c some AsXs or AsXx combos on the flop). With villain has AsXx or AxXs in his hand, he has a tough spot. But I understand it to not x/r this given the ranges. Haven't played 50NL yet, if villain is capable to b/3bet turn with nutblocker I would take the x/call line as well.

Donk river and x/r turn are quite the same I think. If u get x/r, it rly sucks. so checking river seems fine.

Aug. 17, 2015 | 7:29 p.m.

What boards u want to continue /w these type of hands in your range? he also can have some lower fd combos + oesd + sets + bluffs where we got enough eq.

Ofc, it's not a dream spot to be in, but I think we have to go for it.

Aug. 17, 2015 | 7:23 p.m.

never folding flop here. BTN unlikely raises this board I guess.

Aug. 17, 2015 | 7:16 p.m.

I got the idea behind raising river...It's pretty hard for me to put villain on a range on the flop...what do u think there? probably vhands like 88, 44 , 22, 99-TT, maybe A8 (dno how they will 3bet in BBvs BTN spots on average) and bluffs like A3s,A5s(w/BDFD),67 and 56?

It's really read depending, I think some villain won't turn hands like 65s into a bluff in this szenario, so your play would be horrible. I would just fold it because I think even on 100nl people don't do this often enough, especially given the fact he might be fishy.

Aug. 3, 2015 | 5:53 p.m.

Comment | kevson180 commented on stats check

start 3betting some more hands instead of calling them, for example u can 3bet more hands BTN vs CO or BB vs SB. Increase your 3bet's when IP.

July 13, 2015 | 4:35 p.m.

I don't like 4betting Axs IP, they have a good playability. I rather prefer 3bet/5bet those hands, especially OOP.

July 7, 2015 | 3:56 p.m.

Comment | kevson180 commented on 100 nl B vs 3b

After Villain just bets on the turn, I think checking back on the river is quite nitty. Maybe we should consider an other sizing, like 15-20$, but I'd bet it for sure. Villain can call Jx (not only broadway cards, like J8,J9 and also JT for the str8) or a pure bluffcatcher like Kx / Ax. Once we get raised, it's obvs a fold.

I would have folded or 4bet it preflop, but I like folding a bit more. But it is a close one.

July 7, 2015 | 3:52 p.m.

I prefer a x/c in this spot. I think our hand will look like a Ax hand, maybe even a Kx hand or a 1spade flushdraw. So I don't think we are face up here with a check. A good argument for checking is to keep the pot small as we cannot be bluffed off a hand when we don't bet on the turn. I would x/call turn and x/call non spade rivers.

June 26, 2015 | 3:02 p.m.

Don't give that much credit on this stats, because all of these values are raising if villain plays tighter. If he just play aces, he has in average an w$sd about 80% if called.

June 26, 2015 | 2:47 p.m.

In this hand reads are very important I would say, because this is not a typical spot. with rfi of 17% he only have A5,A4 (even if) and AA/KK/55/44. That's not a lot of combos. If villain also plays 88-JJ like this, it's an easy shove for villain. That would makes sense because your hand is totally underrepped. But on the other side, Villain is a nitty nit and maybe even doesn't care about your range and plays his AA like it's always the nuts.

Tough spot, given the fact your hand is underrepped and villain only have a 5 like 1/10th of the time, I would play for stacks.

Btw, I can't believe there are still people playing 15/12 on nl100 and be obvs even b/e :@

June 26, 2015 | 2:45 p.m.

I know it's nitring and I don't know the dynamics, but personally I would like a thin river vbet. He rarely has a Tx or AT hand after just calling turn (maybe ATcc), and after checking to u on the river. would go for something like 12-15$.

June 26, 2015 | 2:34 p.m.

bet flop and bet turn. Your range can be sooo wide BvB, always gonna cbet this.

as played, u made it far to big on the river I think, I prefer something like 27$-30$, if u want to bet.

I prefer a x/decide on this runout. I see bluffs like QT,Tx and 8x. The problem is that we do block a lot of them and some of them have made the flush.

So it's a fold.

June 26, 2015 | 2:30 p.m.

I want to go into further calculations for the math, just saying:

Do you really want to call JJ on AKx in a 3bet pot OOP vs an agressive Villain with over 80bb behind?

I think it's money wasting. And I don't mean that u do it another way preflop. This board just sucks for us, even if our range isn't that weak on this board.

June 26, 2015 | 2:08 p.m.

Agreed with conoval.

Just one general aspect. Ppl does raise a range about 10%+ SB vs BU (which is reasonable). Some more and some less than this value.

So there are a ton of (semi-)bluffs and pure bluffs. I would call turn and decide on the river, given his action and board runout.

June 26, 2015 | 2:03 p.m.

nothing to discuss imo. very well played. If u were both in 100bb we could 4bet/gii, given he's kinda agressive.. But w/o stats and this depth it's fine.

June 26, 2015 | 2 p.m.

Even if u have a pretty wide BU rfi, villain plays 13/11 overall...So if he don't care about (I mean, he's a nit) he may just flat TT here.

June 25, 2015 | 7:28 p.m.

'ez' fold on the turn referring to the "baluga theorem". He sometimes has a busted diamond draws that he his bluffing on the turn to balance his 22/55/TT/ATs. The fact that u hold Qd makes this bluff even less presumable.

June 25, 2015 | 4:02 p.m.

6.3% 3bet, including bluffs, don't have 88 in it, maybe even not TT. The fact that his board hit's your range very well he maybe expect a raise after his donk, so 88/tt/t8s looks reasonable.

I agree that he only rarely plays a flush like that (maybe some Txcc hands)..I think it's a flush or a boat...Can't see many bluffs here, maybe AT to get u off a str8/flush/AJ (your hand looks like KQ or AJ).

June 25, 2015 | 3:56 p.m.

He is kinda short stacked (it's hard to play on the turn..) and this board hits his range very well...further he isn't going to fold too much to cbets..

so why cbet flop? take a free card on the turn, on 8c I would call a bet.

As played I would have checked back, too.

June 25, 2015 | 3:47 p.m.

Why villain won'T call worse hands on the river, especially if he is a fish??

June 23, 2015 | 3:47 p.m.

I'm not a HU specialist for sure, but here's my opinion:

I think in HU games, 3betting ranges are very wide. No problem to have 65s or 54s. I think this hands are good for a x/r, to get some value from your floats. If he is trying to balance this, he will mostly do this with flushdraws, some overcards or 6x , 5x type hands. I think Overpairs , 7x type hands keep betting this turn, because they don't wanna give a freecard.

Personally, I would call turn and decide on the river. The fact that u have position is huge imo. I think he will slow down on diamonds / 6 / 5 / 7 if he do not have it.

June 22, 2015 | 9:40 p.m.

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