mrpink
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Am I right in thinking the rake in these games is 3% uncapped? Surely the game would have to be insanely good to overcome an uncapped rake.
Also which Merit is this? Nicosia or Kyrenia? Biggest game I could find when I was last in Cyprus was 5/5 and that was in the Nicosia Golden Tulip.
Am I right in thinking the rake in these games is 3% uncapped? Surely the game would have to be insanely good to overcome an uncapped rake.
Also which Merit is this? Nicosia or Kyrenia? Biggest game I could find when I was last in Cyprus was 5/5 and that was in the Nicosia Golden Tulip.
Feb. 6, 2013 | 6:04 p.m.
dj - lead turn diamonds, really? As a bluff or value bet?
I agree that normally turn fold is the right play, but I felt like my hand was face up to him and ripe for being blown off. He's more than happy firing multiple barrels as bluffs if he thinks it will get through.
flatbread - I think his 3 bet range is pretty wide here. He also knows I'm prepared to fold. Normally I would agree with you that one can call turn and fold river in spots similar to these, but I think this might be one where the decision has to be made on the turn and that if I call turn and the river bricks it should be a call. That being said, a brick on the river should be a horrible card for him to bluff :-?
mike - 'the very good pro' was the UTG opener. He called the 3 bet and folded on the flop so he's not all that relevant in this hand. I perhaps didn't make that clear. The villain is the 'capable feel player'.
I agree that normally turn fold is the right play, but I felt like my hand was face up to him and ripe for being blown off. He's more than happy firing multiple barrels as bluffs if he thinks it will get through.
flatbread - I think his 3 bet range is pretty wide here. He also knows I'm prepared to fold. Normally I would agree with you that one can call turn and fold river in spots similar to these, but I think this might be one where the decision has to be made on the turn and that if I call turn and the river bricks it should be a call. That being said, a brick on the river should be a horrible card for him to bluff :-?
mike - 'the very good pro' was the UTG opener. He called the 3 bet and folded on the flop so he's not all that relevant in this hand. I perhaps didn't make that clear. The villain is the 'capable feel player'.
Jan. 29, 2013 | 3:13 p.m.
With no reads on the guy and in the 2/5 games I play, I'm prob folding to the four bet. Non-regs, IMO, don't have a 4 bet bluff range.
As played, I don't think overbet shoving the flop when checked to is best. His range looks most like bluff catchers, monsters and hands that are giving up. About the only hand you get looked up by that you beat when you shove is AK and a decent amount of the time I would expect him to lead with that. I would look to get stacks in over two streets (probably flop and river or turn and river).
As played, I don't think overbet shoving the flop when checked to is best. His range looks most like bluff catchers, monsters and hands that are giving up. About the only hand you get looked up by that you beat when you shove is AK and a decent amount of the time I would expect him to lead with that. I would look to get stacks in over two streets (probably flop and river or turn and river).
Jan. 29, 2013 | 3:04 p.m.
Line looks fine to me. If I'm betting that flop I'm definitely planning on barrelling most turns. I assume that was your plan.
When he donks the turn, against most 2/5 fish I'm not figuring on getting lots immediate folds if I raise here. And if you've been applying the pressure to him already I don't really fancy my chances of raising turn and firing big on river to get him off. I would fold turn.
When he donks the turn, against most 2/5 fish I'm not figuring on getting lots immediate folds if I raise here. And if you've been applying the pressure to him already I don't really fancy my chances of raising turn and firing big on river to get him off. I would fold turn.
Jan. 29, 2013 | 2:59 p.m.
Live £2/5. 5 handed.
UTG (v god pro) goes £15. I call TT in HJ. BTN goes £55 (he is somewhat loose aggressive, decent thinking player. Not technically proficient but v good as a 'feel' kind of player). UTG calls and I call. I have about £700. They both cover me. I don't have a good estimate of BTN 3 barrelling frequency but it's going to be largely influenced by board texture and his perception of my range.
Flop (£170) 577dd. UTG checks. I check. BTN bets £105. UTG folds. I call. At this stage I think he'll have a decent idea of my range as mostly containing medium over pairs and draws with the occasional slowplayed big hand and the occasional weak two pair.
Turn (£380) 577ddKs. I check. BTN bets £205. I call. I don't think he expects me to ever check-call twice with a big hand, so that my holding is now fairly face up to 99,TT,JJ and the occasional draw.
River (£790). 577ddKs8h I check. He bets £325 (which leave him with about £150 back and me with about £50 back). I call.
Thoughts? I felt like if I'm calling the turn I have to call the river, but my whole line feels a bit spwey and maybe I should fold the turn.
UTG (v god pro) goes £15. I call TT in HJ. BTN goes £55 (he is somewhat loose aggressive, decent thinking player. Not technically proficient but v good as a 'feel' kind of player). UTG calls and I call. I have about £700. They both cover me. I don't have a good estimate of BTN 3 barrelling frequency but it's going to be largely influenced by board texture and his perception of my range.
Flop (£170) 577dd. UTG checks. I check. BTN bets £105. UTG folds. I call. At this stage I think he'll have a decent idea of my range as mostly containing medium over pairs and draws with the occasional slowplayed big hand and the occasional weak two pair.
Turn (£380) 577ddKs. I check. BTN bets £205. I call. I don't think he expects me to ever check-call twice with a big hand, so that my holding is now fairly face up to 99,TT,JJ and the occasional draw.
River (£790). 577ddKs8h I check. He bets £325 (which leave him with about £150 back and me with about £50 back). I call.
Thoughts? I felt like if I'm calling the turn I have to call the river, but my whole line feels a bit spwey and maybe I should fold the turn.
Jan. 23, 2013 | 8:13 p.m.
Playing live £2/5.
SB is a very good player. He and I know each other's game well and we talk lots about poker. Button is a big fish. Liable to be quite stationy but also regularly runs crazy bluffs. I have a good read for when the fish is bluffing or not.
Action folds to the fish on the button who limps. SB completes and I check J3o in BB.
Flop (£15) 833ss. SB leads £15. I decide to flat to allow the button to call or bluff raise. SB would normally expect me to raise trips or better the majority of the time and to sometimes raise, sometimes call with flush draws. He wouldn't expect me to raise two pair. The button goes 65 and it looks like a bluff (I have a good timing tell on him). SB flats and I decide just to flat. Not three betting could be a mistake, but I felt that if I three bet here I get rid of the button and prevent him from bluffing further and I allow the SB to play perfectly against my hand. At this stage I think the SB has flush draws a decent amount of the time and is occasionally slowplaying a big hand. He might sometimes have 8x. At this point SB will see my range as mostly as good flush draws with the occasionally slowplayed strong hand.
Turn (£210) 833ss7s. SB checks. I check. Button checks. At this stage it looks as though the button has given up on his bluff. If he had been semi-bluffing the flop with a flush draw (unlikely given my read) he would bet the turn here if it made his flush. SB range is still the same as when he calls on the flop. My plan here was to make a small-moderately sized CR if the button bet to get value from flush draws (he would call with most high spades). I would fold if the SB CR'd the turn. I'm not sure what I would have done if the SB check-called.
River (£210) 833s7s4c. SB checks. I bet £100. Button folds. SB thinks and makes it £200.
Normally I wouldn't expect the SB to check a big hand on the river, but to him I think my hand (on the flop) looks a lots like a flush draw. The rest of my range is slowplayed big hands (less likely). Of these he knows I will bet the majority, so actually it seems like a fairly safe spot for him to go for a CR.
On the other hand, if he can safely put me on a big hand most of the time, wouldn't he try to get more value from his river check-raise with a monster? He's is capable of bluffing in this spot, but I've never seen him (and would never expect him) to minCR bluff, given that I probably have strong hand and am getting a very good price to call.
I tank-folded. (He accused me of making a nit fold, which suggests (a) that he wasn't expecting me to fold and (b) that he was aware my range was strong. This makes me feel like it was a good fold.)
Thoughts on everything?
SB is a very good player. He and I know each other's game well and we talk lots about poker. Button is a big fish. Liable to be quite stationy but also regularly runs crazy bluffs. I have a good read for when the fish is bluffing or not.
Action folds to the fish on the button who limps. SB completes and I check J3o in BB.
Flop (£15) 833ss. SB leads £15. I decide to flat to allow the button to call or bluff raise. SB would normally expect me to raise trips or better the majority of the time and to sometimes raise, sometimes call with flush draws. He wouldn't expect me to raise two pair. The button goes 65 and it looks like a bluff (I have a good timing tell on him). SB flats and I decide just to flat. Not three betting could be a mistake, but I felt that if I three bet here I get rid of the button and prevent him from bluffing further and I allow the SB to play perfectly against my hand. At this stage I think the SB has flush draws a decent amount of the time and is occasionally slowplaying a big hand. He might sometimes have 8x. At this point SB will see my range as mostly as good flush draws with the occasionally slowplayed strong hand.
Turn (£210) 833ss7s. SB checks. I check. Button checks. At this stage it looks as though the button has given up on his bluff. If he had been semi-bluffing the flop with a flush draw (unlikely given my read) he would bet the turn here if it made his flush. SB range is still the same as when he calls on the flop. My plan here was to make a small-moderately sized CR if the button bet to get value from flush draws (he would call with most high spades). I would fold if the SB CR'd the turn. I'm not sure what I would have done if the SB check-called.
River (£210) 833s7s4c. SB checks. I bet £100. Button folds. SB thinks and makes it £200.
Normally I wouldn't expect the SB to check a big hand on the river, but to him I think my hand (on the flop) looks a lots like a flush draw. The rest of my range is slowplayed big hands (less likely). Of these he knows I will bet the majority, so actually it seems like a fairly safe spot for him to go for a CR.
On the other hand, if he can safely put me on a big hand most of the time, wouldn't he try to get more value from his river check-raise with a monster? He's is capable of bluffing in this spot, but I've never seen him (and would never expect him) to minCR bluff, given that I probably have strong hand and am getting a very good price to call.
I tank-folded. (He accused me of making a nit fold, which suggests (a) that he wasn't expecting me to fold and (b) that he was aware my range was strong. This makes me feel like it was a good fold.)
Thoughts on everything?
Jan. 23, 2013 | 7:57 p.m.
What about people's thought on the turn barrel? I'm pretty sure I don't fire the turn against most passive fish. You're (obv) not getting a fold from a King and any pair+FD is never folding.
Dec. 23, 2012 | 9:08 p.m.
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