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whitemares

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I think preflop is too loose, even if you're on Microgaming. The street you played best is the flop, but I dislike your sizing. The regs aren't capped, and shoving into two of them for like 2x pot with bottom two seems marginal at best, even if SB is calling it off with every draw. I think you pretty much played this hand like there weren't two other regs (with position) involved. You need to exercise more caution being OOP to two regs with strong ranges, even if SB is the biggest whale you've ever seen.

Oct. 27, 2017 | 11:25 p.m.

Aside from hiring a coach, this would be my suggestion as well. I think having several thousand hands on the best regs will be rather useful.

Oct. 27, 2017 | 10:40 p.m.

Betting for the sole purpose of not capping your range seems kind of pointless to me, obviously you need to check a certain % of your hands. I think whether or not your range is capped should be more of a byproduct of your decision to bet or check, rather than a factor in the decision itself.

Oct. 13, 2017 | 5:32 p.m.

Basically every Ax is a call. Some Kx and possibly even Qx can be check/calls as well, depending on what your ranges look like.

Take a look at your flop range. You need to defend about 2/3 of that to a 1/2 pot bet (not accounting for villain tendencies).

Oct. 11, 2017 | 8:55 p.m.

Definitely fold pre, but I think the rest is fine. I like a turn jam though, there's a lot of bad rivers and you can still get calls from worse.

As a side note, does anyone have thoughts on villain's river sizing?

Oct. 11, 2017 | 4:53 p.m.

No point in betting. Obviously too strong to bluff, and you chop with Ax, which would be the only hands you'd otherwise get value from.

Oct. 4, 2017 | 11:29 p.m.

Definitely check the turn. Getting check/raised is a pretty bad scenario for this particular holding. Villain likely has the flush when he minraises, but you still can't fold, so fine as played there. I probably flip a coin for the river. A random fish could easily overplay A7/87, but I don't know how often you're going to see that.

Oct. 1, 2017 | 10:27 p.m.

Normally I'd say don't bet/call hands this low in your range, but villain opted for such a small sizing, and the low FCB makes me think villain might have enough air to justify a call.

I think this is fine overall. I like the river sizing. It's large enough that you have a decent amount of fold equity, but you're not investing much more than 50% of starting effective stacks. I don't think increasing sizing beyond this will generate much additional fold equity. Just being extremely polarized doesn't automatically warrant increasing the size of your bet relative to the pot.

Sept. 29, 2017 | 8:46 p.m.

SB's line is very strong. You pot a very dry board multiway in position, so any competent villain can tell that you're probably never bluffing, and then SB raises 3x with a player still left to act.

I guess it comes down to whether or not you see enough random fish in your player pool.

Sept. 29, 2017 | 6:35 p.m.

That's some sick volume. Congratulations! I'm impressed by your ability to objectively assess your performance. That's going to be a great asset to your improvement. Looking forward to the next one!

Sept. 26, 2017 | 11:18 p.m.

I meant just the 4bet stat, my mistake. When you have so few hands, the degree to which the stats can be taken at face value is so low, it's almost negligible. The spot where JTs is a profitable jam exists, but it's probably going to be quite rare. There are so many combos of Axs to jam before it.

Villain would need to have a rather wide 4bet range and low cbet%/aggression stats for me to consider calling. Increased stack depth would help too. I don't want to have a calling range in these positions facing that sizing at 100bb effective versus unknowns.

Sept. 26, 2017 | 10:29 p.m.

Fold to the 4bet. Stats are useless, you have no idea what your fold equity looks like, and that's a fairly large sizing for a 4bet. If you do want to have a 5bet bluffing range, then you're better off using suited wheel aces (As2-A5s) that have slightly more equity when called, and block combos of AA/AK. This is kind of just spew without reads.

Sept. 26, 2017 | 6:45 p.m.

Villain will essentially never check/raise the river as the bluff because effective stacks are so close to the size of the pot (unless you bet like 15% pot or something), but honestly that's so rare anyway that I wouldn't worry about it much.

I doubt you're >50% versus villain's calling range, even without flushes. Looking at the hand more, I'm questioning how many Kx villain is going to have by the river. The only Kx villain might check/call the flop with are AK/KQ combos with a spade (if SB even 3bets KQ with these positions), and even that's not a given, since villain might bet the flop with those. I think betting is just going to end up with you getting value owned when villain decides to play a strong hand like this.

Sept. 25, 2017 | 5:46 p.m.

I think there's a few problems with bet/folding the river for that sizing. When you put ~75% of your starting stack in the middle, you're pot committing yourself. I've mentioned this before in one of your threads, being in a position where you have to fold a decently strong hand getting such great odds is just a bad spot to be in. Also, the range of hands you're targeting is pretty small, so you might even scare them away. I think that a majority of villains will realize that you're never bluffing with this sizing, so I only see getting calls from better.

I think the river is a check behind. The rest looks good to me.

Sept. 25, 2017 | 12:40 a.m.

Comment | whitemares commented on Another spew??

I think t's a little loose MP vs CO at this stack depth, unless you're opening like 25% or something (which probably isn't the best idea either).

edit: defending this hand can amount to defending almost 60%, which is too high in this spot. You definitely don't need to defend more than 50% of your opening range OOP (without reads anyway).

I think you either need to be a sicko or have some good reads for this to be a profitable defend.

Sept. 24, 2017 | 1:52 p.m.

Comment | whitemares commented on Is this terrible?

I pretty much agree with this.

First of all on flop with our range we are pretty inseminated to do a lot of checking vs their flatting range.

I died

Sept. 23, 2017 | 10:50 p.m.

I think the turn is a bit too large. You're not trying to GII, so you should be trying to maximize value while minimizing risk. The river looks like a check/fold to me, mostly because villain can have a lot of flushes and boats and will never value bet with worse (and probably doesn't call with much worse either).

Having to fold the river for that price is a really bad spot to be in.

Sept. 23, 2017 | 10:19 p.m.

I'd be careful about doing that. I've seen a lot of micro stakes players who have a ~12% 3bet, but have a 4bet stat of <1%.

I think a lot of players tend to overestimate their ability to realize equity in a spot like this, whether it's due to overvaluing skill level, or undervaluing the importance of position. It's hard to quantify, but depending on both your actual hand, the flop texture, and villain's tendencies, it's reasonable that you're going to lose several percentage points in raw equity. A decent chunk of the equity from a hand like 87s comes from one pair hands anyway, which you'll frequently have to check/fold postflop.

You're basically hoping that the call is slightly better than break even, which may not even be the case if you make a single mistake postflop. I think having a calling range is alright, but that doesn't mean you need to defend 100% of your 3bet range. Granted, I think this could be fine against specific villains, but I doubt you're going to have many of those reads in zoom.

I'd have to disagree about people folding the third nuts in a spot where the nuts and second nuts are really unlikely. Data's probably the only answer though.

Sept. 23, 2017 | 4:42 p.m.

Not isoing a 1.5bb post was a mistake. Too much EV sitting at the table to let someone else grab it.

I don't think raising "to see where you're at" is ever that great of an idea (particularly against recs). Raising has the benefit of narrowing villain's range, but all that really does is make you play a larger pot facing a range you do even worse against, when you have no idea what villain's initial range looks like. You could be trying to get protection against a range that already has you smoked.

Turn is the best card in the deck that isn't an A or a 4, but I'm not sure that betting's the best option.

Sept. 23, 2017 | 5:57 a.m.

Comment | whitemares commented on Another spew??

I don't see what stops someone from calling quickly with the nuts.

edit: What's your fold to 3bet%?

Sept. 23, 2017 | 5:34 a.m.

Comment | whitemares commented on Another spew??

Flop might be okay. Everything else is just spew versus some random. What other hands would you take this bizarre line with?

I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in timing tells most of the time.

Sept. 23, 2017 | 5:10 a.m.

Villain being an aggressive 3bettor doesn't mean they have a similar approach to 4bets. You should be consulting the 4bet stat.

The only 7x you should possibly have in your range is 77 (you need to be careful not to take raw equity at face value OOP, especially when calling). Nothing in villain's range is ever folding because you'll have a 7 so infrequently, so you just end up losing like 3bb in rake every time you shove without a 7. Since it's really unlikely anyone is ever folding anyway, I'd just shove with 7x exclusively.

Sept. 23, 2017 | 12:35 a.m.

I don't think 10nlz players on average are going to be as bad as you think they are. This is a line to reserve for players you know are fish. Any villain who has at least some kind of idea what's going on (which will probably be >50% of the player pool) will realize that you can never be bluffing when you take this line, and you rep an incredibly narrow value range.

Sept. 21, 2017 | 10:17 p.m.

No information on villains other than SB is a possible rec?

Why do you think this is a standard spot to raise? What's your plan on the river?

That sizing looks way too large to me. Besides that, I don't really mind it. I think this could be a spot where you can start punting stacks pretty quickly if you're not careful though (unless you have some pretty strong population reads).

Sept. 21, 2017 | 8:19 p.m.

I don't play much full ring, so I don't know about preflop, but I think the turn is pretty bad. Leaving 37bb behind a pot of 127.5bb is just absurd to me. Check/call or check/shove. I think your reasoning is fine, but you can't execute it well in practice given the action and the stack and bet sizes.

River's not even close when you leave that little behind. Check/folding is absolutely out of the question.

Sept. 21, 2017 | 8:24 a.m.

Are you determining villain's player type solely by AF? Probably a good idea to include all pertinent information about villain in your post.

Seems totally standard. Sometimes villain has KQ/88.

Sept. 21, 2017 | 8:10 a.m.

Well yeah, obviously. I'm talking about your CO range versus an unknown BTN calling range. It's not really too general to answer, but if you don't want to for whatever reason, that's fine.

Sept. 21, 2017 | 8:04 a.m.

Checking your entire range is certainly one strategy. How often are you checking flops when BTN calls your open?

Also, you said call river, but Hero was betting.

Sept. 20, 2017 | 10:58 p.m.

I don't get the turn check. Without reads, I think this is bet/bet/jam all day. I'd bet ~$2 OTT and jam the river. I like the river as played.

Sept. 20, 2017 | 9:43 p.m.

I think calling 3bets with AA in position is fine with some frequency. Postflop looks standard.

Nice hand.

Sept. 19, 2017 | 9:19 p.m.

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