Got one here that I played last week that I'd like some input on plz :)
10/20 live at Aria. Have only played an hour or so and have a good image. Open 40 UTG AhAcQsJd, kid who has been really tight overall but is clearly competent 3b's to 140. Weaker player with 1200 cold calls from MP, loose kid calls from the SB. I 4b to 700, both kids call and MP folds.
Flop (2240) KhQh3c first kid checks I c-bet 1450. After less than five seconds kid on my left announces all in for 7500 (I cover). SB kid folds (he had 6k to begin hand).
In retrospect I don't like the four-bet too much because of the stacks. My real question is about the flop play. Do you like c-betting here? And if so, do you prefer pot/gii, c-bet with my sizing gii, or check and evaluate?
I thought this was a really interesting hand because of the stack sizes and Ah blocker, so figured it would spur some good discussion as to what's best here. Looking forward to hearing your replies!
June 29, 2015 | 2:08 a.m.
BOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!! CONGRATS to a great guy, amazing player. Well deserved. alien slayer is a BOSS
May 24, 2015 | 9:42 p.m.
KidPokersKid always makes me laugh haha
May 19, 2015 | 4:11 p.m.
yeah! definitely solid stuff, highly recommend!
May 11, 2015 | 2:58 p.m.
Betting and checking both fine. Can rip it in against a button stab but in a 3b pot in MW pot this board connects extremely well with villains ranges so concerned about our FEQ and overall Eq.
April 5, 2015 | 10 p.m.
I think cold calling and 4bing are definitely options, just depends on your variance threshold I suppose.. I probably call here as a default but both are fine prob.
As played I would bet close to pot otf and just go with it. It does suck that this board is very heavy in his range but I certainly don't like check folding and perhaps we can get him to fold incorrectly by betting.
April 5, 2015 | 9:44 p.m.
he's more likely to c/r with Ah in his hand than Qh imo
March 10, 2015 | 6:43 p.m.
Factors that determine variance:
1) your skill edge (are you a man among boys? if so, you'll have few downswings and rarely lose more than a few sessions consecutively
2) the more aggressive games are, the greater variance you'll have. check out bttech and isil play 500/1k cap HU some time if you want evidence of this.
3) the more passive a game is, the lesser variance you'll experience
March 10, 2015 | 12:45 a.m.
In this type of a game, what's the bottom of a calling range you would see, from your experience? Whenever I take this line I always get called super light. I mean is a weak Jx hand just snapping it off? Better question I guess is, what's the best hand we can make fold?
March 10, 2015 | 12:32 a.m.
Really tough spot this deep, but yes as others have said my default is to just peel pre and not 3b. As played.. Think having the Qh is important and puts more draws in his range, so peeling and jamming OTT against this player type is probably the standard. Folding is certainly fine with live reads, but I'd imagine it's close either way.
March 10, 2015 | 12:15 a.m.
I think the guys who say they would normally snap this off are potentially being a bit cocky :) not to say that people are never bluffing here but I do think with this sizing it's less bluffy than you think from this player (mostly because it's kinda clear what each of you have and given your reads it's pretty easy for him to choose this sizing with any straight).
I would guess most players wouldn't be potting it here with sets, but could be wrong? VB range here imo is straights.
March 9, 2015 | 9:14 p.m.
I actually kinda wanted to lead the turn when I first read this. It's unlikely we get raised and I think we can balance by taking this line w straights sometimes too.
March 9, 2015 | 9:11 p.m.
Yeah I think stacking off here is bad. Could be wrong but instinctually it feels like the incorrect play
Feb. 11, 2015 | 7:20 a.m.
The safest way to manage your cash is to get a box at the cage in a casino. The fees are small but if security is a priority it's certainly the best play. The distance from the table to your money is the shortest, and having the added benefit of camera's/security personnel guarding it 24/7 is pretty nice (and this is the option most high stakes pros use at their home casino and going to tourney stops).
That being said, depending on demand boxes aren't always available (nor are they practical if you're only staying somewhere for a short period of time), so if you're staying in a hotel then it's fine just locking it in the safe while you're gone. Pretty obvious but when you go to play I don't recommend taking more than you need to play comfortably. If you somehow bust the cash you take and the game is unbelievable then obviously go back and retrieve some money to reload but even if you really rip through that much cash it's probably good to take a lap and regain your thoughts anyway.
Besides that.. Stashed in a backpack is pretty standard nowadays. Fanny packs are overall probably better if you're worried about being safe (and don't care about wearing a few needles haha).
Jan. 12, 2015 | 3:16 a.m.
yeah listen to spass, esp the part about if you take the check flop line, def check this turn (since you have the GS)
Dec. 25, 2014 | 4:36 p.m.
Can't imagine playing it any other way, just an unfortunate runout. Like you said only decision is really to jam on his donk bet but I think calling is probably better.
Dec. 25, 2014 | 5:02 a.m.
cool hand, thanks for sharing. your assumptions seem pretty accurate from what i can tell. these spots are tough, and actually i am not sure i've ever ran the #'s on them like you did, but in general, here's a few things i consider.
a) i would be more likely to 4b this when i open the btn, sb calls (similar player types), and bb sqz's. squeezing ranges from competent players here are wider and therefore we have greater domination potential in this way.
b) when we open from the co, btn calls and bb sqz's i think his range is a lot stronger than the aforementioned situation. therefore, i'm more likely to peel the hand you have here.. 4b'ing can't be that bad, but i think against this specific player you will run into AA more than you think and it's more prof to let the weaker player behind come along with dominated stuff.
c) it really depends on how wide you perceive him to be squeezing. your hud stats seem pretty accurate from what i can tell but hopefully you have a read on what he thinks of you and how often you're folding. i can think of many dynamics where regs will squeeze me much lighter than the stats indicate, so it just really depends. if he's wide and you 4b then chalk it up to a cooler i suppose, but typically my approach in these situations when it's close is to default to peeling bc the risk of 4b'ing and isolating myself against the strongest range (in the 3 way situation) doesn't outweigh the reward of 4b'ing ... in short, if it's close i peel but if i have a good beat on my opponent i just 4b and shrug if i do happen to run into AA.
Dec. 24, 2014 | 5:28 a.m.
yeah i think delayed cb'ing is pretty good. in the old days you could just bet small and expect people to play straightforwardly but now i think checking actually looks the strongest / most suspicious, so you can still get credit for having flushes when you check otf
Dec. 24, 2014 | 5:18 a.m.
I play a good amount of live PLO. Shoot me a message on Skype (john.beauprez) on there.
Dec. 16, 2014 | 4:35 a.m.
it's often a 10 but with SPR i would almost never fold, taking into consideration this guy might be a donk and have KK somehow (yep, i've seen it).
Nov. 26, 2014 | 5 a.m.
I'd happily dial with JJ here. #yolo
Nov. 26, 2014 | 4:55 a.m.
I would imagine it's tougher than the aforementioned ones, but I've never played it. Can just assume that a live 5k in borgota will have much fewer tough online regs that qualify online etc.
Nov. 21, 2014 | 4:14 a.m.
The best MTT players are well rounded and just play wherever the games are good. Grind cash on the side, play the big field soft MTT's when they come around (wsop/wcoop) and #profit
Nov. 21, 2014 | 4:13 a.m.
Only way I'd consider folding pre is if villain was much tighter than this one and if my skill edge on the field was significant.
Nov. 21, 2014 | 4:06 a.m.
Yeah against described opponent I can't imagine not jamming pre. As played, just check/jam the flop like you did. Someone suggested c/c'ing. I don't like that so much. If he folds it's fine; chips are important in tourneys and although sometimes you get it in behind, we have 10 outs to be massive and give ourselves a good chance to ship this T.
Nov. 21, 2014 | 4:04 a.m.
I know one very successful high-stakes player that has employed this strategy since '06, and he's made a fortune doing it. His belief (I think) is that people play poorly against shorty's in PLO, he's less prone to tilt (decisions are clearer and bad ones are less costly than when full stacked).
Sitting shorter also probably helped him get action from weaker players sitting HU against him.
Nov. 18, 2014 | 4:55 a.m.
Pretty good input by Dom. I don't have too much to add other than I think relative position isn't accounted for in live PLO as often as it should be. Where I've burned a lot of money in the past is from opening and check/folding repeatedly, or opening, c-betting into a MW pot and then check/folding on ugly turns.
It's easy to fall into the habit of calling opens because you're getting the right price and for the prospective "flop a massive hand and get paid" implications, but I think it's important to recognize who has the ability to capitalize on the dead money postflop. With poor relative position you need to play pretty tight, but with good relative position postflop you can actually play pretty wide.
Also, can I add in here my hate for button straddling? Most people (incorrectly imo) believe it generates more action, but from my experience it actually creates less action. Donks love it, yes I know. But donks just love straddling in general. I've found that UTG mandatory straddling creates more action, or other straddling variations like the "rock straddling" they have at Aria are great for the game. All button straddling does is create more limpy/passive preflop play. Unfortunately for good players, it removes the ability to 3b OOP very much (although it introduces the limp/raising option), I still feel like button straddling sucks and makes an intrinsically passive and loose full-ring PLO game even more-so. But hey, if people like it I'll play it, just my .02
Nov. 18, 2014 | 4:51 a.m.
I don't real think it's fair to make the parallels between the two tournaments here, because the main event is so different from any other tournament (imo), both because of the structure.. And because, well, it's the main event.. People just frankly treat it like a much different tournament and I believe that without knowing some other factors about the tourney (i.e. how far you are out of the money, what the players are like), it's tough to say exactly.
In general on a board with FD's and SD's i'd be unlikely to fold here in almost any scenario (especially with only 40bb's) without a ridiculously strong read. In the ME in the very early stages when super deep and at a good table, perhaps you fold it, but with these stack sizes I can't imagine folding when facing any action against any opponents.
Nov. 16, 2014 | 6:33 a.m.
Perhaps fold to the flop raise if you don't plan in taking advantage of them on later streets.
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Dec. 7, 2016 | 4:29 a.m.