Maikel1983

Can u explain a bit more about the adjustments when you are OOP position (table 1) or IP position (table 2) vs a weaker player. U mentioned a couple, like playing tighter from SB when u are OOP, and 3betting a wider range in from SB when u expect the weaker player to overcall from the BB.

U said as well, that on this site the players seem not to play back at you. But if the players were playing back at you, for example 3betting when u are isolating the weaker player (when he limps). What will your strategy be ?

When u have the option to sit in position off the weaker player but OOP of very though player, or u prefer to sit in position of the though player and OOP of the weaker player, and why? Similar scenario when the player is unknown.

Tnx, good video.

Villain doesn't necessarily needs to shove KQxx OTT, when villain has spades to go with it make sense to just call the turn. Villain might fold the underwrap (987x) OTT to a bet. Villain range doesn't contain a lot of fullhouses, although 22xx,AAxx are possible. HERO blocks JJxx,TTxx.
I think range of checking-back river, 2pairs, AJxx,ATxx. When check villain check back HERO wins, when villain shoves I don't see him turn hands into a bluff on the river. Villain might turn QsQxx,KsKxx into bluff but that is just a small portion of his range.

I think I would check-fold river, am I a nit ;) or just bad :)

You mentioned some good reasons, for calling - jamming the turn.
-> very aggro villain, preferably one with who we play a lot (balancing)
There is also good argument for balancing a wider shoving range on turn to combat his aggression.

I could only see myself calling this river, when we have a specific read that villain is on tilt or takes it personal vs us. And will do whatever it takes to win this pot.

What about the flop, should HERO expect that villain is raising a WR on the flop? (7654,A54x)
If so, it really changes the range of hands villain raise on turn. The problem I see with this hand is that HERO has to play relative honest on river. When HERO calls and dons the river on spade, villain can make a relatively easy correct fold. On the other hand it's possible that villain has the KsXsxx and raise the turn as semi-bluff which onceitrun mentioned.

When villain CR the flop, his range will consist of a lots of draws, maybe 99xx/96xx (which is unlikely). When villain is spewy and loose and stacking off light, u could consider 3betting the flop, whereby u keep the iniative. However, I think a call is standard and fine.

Turn Qd - Pot 101,74$
When villain bets 88$ into 101, villain could have picked up equity with BDFD + gutter. I think villain's range is still very wide KQT8dd,9875.

Calling or raising the turn?
The Qd could have improved villain equitywise, but is not very likely to improve his actual hand, which beats HERO's hand. Worst case scenario, villain CRed the flop with QQT8, or QQ87. Raising could be an option on the turn, however I am not really sure how this specific player reacts this deep on raising the turn. I need to have a specific read to this and still I am not sure ;).
(1) villain will call with his whole range, draws (bdfd,wraps,gutters + hands that has us beat (99xx,QQxx)
-> whereby villain might donk the river when improved or as bluff. Or let HERO valuebet worse.
(2) villain might shove, his strong draws + hands that has HERO beat.

HERO's range for raising the turn;
Q9xx,66xx,99xx,QQxx, wraps + bd(n)FD.

(2) When HERO raises the turn and villain shoves it kind of sucks, that HERO has to call off or fold such
pretty hand! There is chance that villain might shove worse draws, like a pair + WR+King highFD, when HERO
has the nFD AdJT9d.

Calling is fine as well, HERO has strong hand to call of a river bluff. Although it's kind of a guessing game on the river, since there were lots of wraps on the flop + a diamond river, can change the board texture. And what cards villain will fire as bluff.

RIVER As - Pot 277,74$
Although it's unlikely villain has improved on the river with the Ace. Since not many hands of villain will CR flop, bet turn have an Ace only hand i can think off are AT98, A987, which improved. Therefore I don't think it's good bluff card for villain, I was expecting villain to check-fold the river a lot. I was quite surprised that villain check-called the river.

- What was the reason u called the turn?
- And maybe other members can join the discusion and explain their thought process about calling/raising the turn?

Good point, Viktor

TBH, I overestimated the probability of one of the villain's having a straight, after your comment and my own thought process. I am leaning towards bet-folding. It's better since the board is dynamic.
1) I expect SB, villain to fast play (As8s9J/QsJT9s) or even leading the flop with the weaker player in the middle. So, HERO can discount some J9xx combo's.
2) I agree, on the fact that HERO only is getting raised by the nuts J9xx.
3) OTR, I expect the SB to play honest with HERO, and not randomly bluff into 2 people. So we can comfortably fold the river, when the SB donks. Might HERO-call when MP donks river.

I would valuebet any day in this spot!

BB will call, with flushes, AKQx,KQ98 since his range is so wide there are some Kxxx combo's that will call. Villain might think his flush looks pretty and pay u off.

If villain has AKQJ it really sucks, but that is just small portion of his range. HERO blocks KTxx combo's.

I would bet ~32$. I would like to see a bigger turn bet.

Interesting spot;

SB I would expect him to fast play (As8s9J/QsJT9s) - WR+FD on this flop, since HERO's range is somewhat wider for isolating the weaker player. Although HERO is not cbetting 90% in this spot given the action is 3-way. Sets are basically excluded from both of their ranges (SB/MP), SB doesn't have many 33 combo's in his PFC range, and HERO blocks Q/T/8 + given the flop action. MP range will be really wide since villain will chasing all kinds of weak draws. If it was HU vs this player I really like a bet OTT.

(1) check-back turn and play river, I don't mind realizing my equity, since I expect the SB play honest on river, because there is a weaker player in between. So, SB villain can't get away with bluffing OTR. I think we can comfortably fold vs a bet on river on a blank, spade. Maybe HERO-call vs MP on a diamond, since MP might be bluffing randomly missed spades.

(2) bet-folding, it sucks to bet-fold vs a hand like AdQJTd maybe this a worst case scenario. I see a lot of argument in protecting our hand, however HERO doesn't block any J or 9, given the flop action it's likely someone has the straight.

(3) bet-calling, worst option imo, SB/MP will play honest OTT, and it sucks to get it in vs a range that have u crushed.

I would recommend;
- Sam Lang video's (essential membership), he plays mostly 250deep with antes.
- Phil Galfonds video's, he made a point that u should be stealing wide range on BTTN/CO because of the antes. In this serie he talks about adjustments to deep/ante tables.

- Be carefull with K or Q hi flush draws, don't get carried away by those draws since it will hurt your equity really bad when u are against the nut FD.
- Post some hands on the forum
- I would recommend starting with 100bb tables, mistakes at 250bb deep tables can hurt really bad!! The variance is higher at 250bb deep tables.

GL

I am by no means great PLO player, but I am here to learn. I have some problems understanding, why potting
turn/river is good for your whole range.

Flop
- Villain
caps his range on the flop by checking (polarised cbetting range).

- HERO
caps in my opinion his range as well by checking back the flop, HERO's range doesn't contain nut flushes or Ad/Kd blockers, whereby it is possible for HERO to tripple barrel as bluff with Ad/Kd blocker. I think HERO will bet on the flop QQxx,TTxx as well to protect your hand, whereby it's unlikely HERO gets CRed on the flop. When HERO check's back the flop, I agree your range is bad draws/weak pairs/air + some weak flushes. Whereby the bad draws, are likely straight draws/WR.

Turn
- Villain checks again, I agree it's good to bet turn to fold villain's weak range.

- HERO
The 3s on the turn can even improve HERO's equity with hand like, 6543,A652,A52x. Bet your weak draws J98x,KJTx, And I think it's good to protect your hand with QTxx on turn.

River
- Villain, I have no clue what villain has in this spot on the river!

- HERO
River range
J98x,KJTx,A52x missed, turning Tx or other hands into a bluff.
6543,A652, hit
AQxx, I think I prefer to check since I don't have a clue about villain's range.

I think HERO can comfortably valuebet this range of hands. Valuebetting range, river; QTxx,Q7xx,6543,A652,weak flushes.

In my view, by potting the river u want to rep nuts/air range. As played, whereby HERO caps his range on flop, obviously weak-flushes are "nuts" on river. I prefer to bet smaller otr, whereby it allows me to valuebet 2p+,straights,weak flushes and it allows me to bluff cheaper. Maybe, I am completely wrong with this?

Ofcourse, I agree it's better to have general strategy/betsize for your whole range. It was just a suggestion
to mix it up, to bet small otr once to see how villain reacts, to a non-standard betsize.

I agree, that its nice to have some strong hands in your check-back range. Weak flushes, 2p etc. Which can stand heat on turn/river. However, when villain checks again on turn, i think he has the intention to check-fold. When villain check-calls I put him on really weak range on turn.

Why would u bet pot on the river? I don't see villain hero-call on river. So, I prefer a betsize, which might induce something like 76$-82$.

I would fold, or 3bet pre-flop, 8765-1s plays poor multi-way. vs an 11% range i would fold. There is merit to 3betting pre-flop, there is high probability that the BB will overcall, and UTG will call as well. But now u have position in the hand, which is cool :).

As played, i would fold. UTG, might be donk shoving nut FD + pair, wraps + fds. Most of the hands have u dominated equity wise and the BTTN, BB can have hands that have u crushed and u are drawing very slim.

(1) play nitty, to flop draws over draws.
(2) play high pairs, to flop set over set. I think u can even limp behind weak QQxx,JJxx etc.
(3) isolate hands, with good play playbility postflop, connected-double suited hands.
(4) be patient, people will make mistakes in the end when they play too loose pre-flop. I think it can be very frustrated to play few hands, and folding most of them. Therefore u shouldn't fall in love with your hand, post-flop.

OT: I am no live player

(1) Checking is an option, whereby HERO keeps the pot relatively small. I assume, u check with the intention your check-call. CO player, has a relatively strong range, but this player could also be betting with QJ99, there are some hands u are ahead off. Villain will use his blockers and bet his strong draws as well. Whereby villain will likely to put pressure on turn/rivers.

(2) Checking the flop, caps your range somewhat too JJxx,TTxx,77xx, or 98 w/o redraw. On the other hand
would you expect villain to play there draws, with the fish in the BB. I don't expect them to fastplay a hand like AKQJ with hearts, since they would love to overflush the fish in the BB. That loose villain is likely to peal with weaker flush draws. This is also give the option for HERO to bet somewhat wider range on the flop.

(3) I don't mind donking out, on the Q turn because it doesn't allow villain to realize his equity. HERO's
range is wider when HERO will be using AAxx,KKxx blockers in his favour. HERO has a lot of AKxx combo's
and some bluff with blockers to balance this out, which didnt bet the flop. On T or J turn I don't mind slowplaying as it gives villain some rope. And it allows villain to even catch up with FDs.

Srry for my late reaction, I am lagging somewhat behind in watching the PLO content. I really like the video, and the adjustments vs "weaker regulars".

On 3:30 3bet with AKhJ5h
However, I have a question concerning the 3bet with AKhJ5h from the SB vs CO.

I like the cbet on 983r and u will take it down frequently, as what happened in the video villain folded.
I have some problems constructing my turn range, and I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

For example when we improve our equity,
Turn - 2h.
Either we can bet/fold, or check-jam. I am leaning towards check-jamming, when we improve our equity on the
turn. which is not really likely to improve, villain's equity. With 2nd nut-fd and gutter, we can balance that out with AAJT,KKQT with hearts/without hearts. As we will be check-folding hands as well.

Expecting villain bet too much on turn, floats/air/strong hands/draws.

Improving our hand.
Turn - K or A
On this turn I would generally bet to bet/fold with this hand. As it's likely to improve our range, and it's not very likely villain will jam on this turn with "total" bluff. As I am likely to bet this turn with wide range of value hands/draws. Villain might shove when this card, will give villain BDFD, next to his draw or 2pair.

Ofcourse all is very villain depended. I would like to hear your turn plan on various turns/flaws in my thought process. All comments are appreciated, tnx!

Turn, betsizing is the key in this hand. HERO+Villain are both 200+bb deep, why would villain bet so small for value or as bluff?
1) Villain loses value, from HERO's bluffcatchers
2) HERO isn't likely to bluff-raise this turn and will slowplay for value

On the river, I am not really happy. Although I don't see villain take this line as bluff, with small betsize turn and 90% pot bet on river. With your actual hand HERO only beats a bluff.

I am not really used to play this deep. But i will give it a try :). I really like JNandez87 lead, because probably JNandez realizes that needdollarz is on semitilt and will put in his money really light. And this scenario happens where HERO has to choose to play for his 300bb stack. If JNandez is really nit and only leading sets in this spot than HERO is screwed with roughly 20% equity.

I plugged in the ranges in PPT as you described.

3-way including worst-case scenario

board: 9s3c2h

QdTd9h3h - 44.51%
AA,KK,654*,A654 - 20.43%
6543,7654,AA54,AA4*,AA5*,KK33,KK99,KK22 - 35.06%

without worst-case scenario
QdTd9h3h - 45.03%
AA,KK,654*,A654 - 20.34%
6543,7654,AA54,AA4*,AA5* - 34.62%

Heads-up equity big-side pot

QdTd9h3h - 56.57%
6543,7654,AA54,AA4*,AA5* - 43.43%


QdTd9h3h - 56.07%
6543,7654,AA54,AA4*,AA5*,KK33,KK99,KK22 - 43.93%

QdTd9h3h - 55.42%
6543,7654,AA54,AA4*,AA5*,KK33,KK99,KK22, - 44.58%
AA33,AA22,AA99,TT99,JJ99

I am surprised the amount of equity even in the worst-case scenario, obviously more combo's for WR/draws than sets.

There is stat, in your HUD - SB 3bet vs BTN.
This will tell u the exact % villain is 3betting.

By checking back the flop u can also rep weak spades, T986 with spades. Villain can't rule out u don't have a flush, flush cards can even be good bluff cards or gives you the option to float. And bluff the river.

Villain was playing 60-49 3bet of 16
fold to 3bet 10%

Single raised pots,
cbets 76% - folds to CR 53%
Fold to donk bets 21%
Raise donk bets 32%

Villain wasn't playing back when I CRed lots of paired boards, its seems like villain didn't had the will to fight for these pots. I try to balance this out, but until villain i found out, was adjusting i kept CRing villain,

Turn bets - 52%
River bets -50%

Folds to cbet 52%, CR 20%
Folds to turn bet - 42%
Folds to river bet - 50%

From his stats I could see that the river CR of 21%, was relatively high.

Based on stats, and the given description, what would your general strategy/adjusments vs this player?

Villain - aggressive 3bets a lot in position, what is villain's preflop calling range on the BTTN vs HJ, with 2 relatively shortstack in the SB/BB. I think this will adjust somewhat his preflop calling range/3betting range.

Q; Is Villain always 3betting high/medium rundowns in position?

JT98,T987,9876,8765.

- FLOP - Qh7s6c

AhAs8h5s - 48.12%
JT98,T987,9876,8765 - 51.88%

Preflop calling range, which will raise the flop
QQxx,QT98,Q987,9877

AhAs8h5s - 37.57%
QQxx,QJ98,QT98,Q987,9877 - 62.43%

Basically on the flop Hero is flipping vs a rundown range, and behind the "preflop calling range" (my assumption). There are a few combo's villain could bluff-raise the flop with, KJT8,KJ98, which has some equity, gutters,backdoors.

On the flop, it really depends on his preflop calling range, if I want to 3bet the flop.

- TURN - 6s

I think Villain will continu with both ranges, and putting pressure on HERO, either villain has improved HS/equity-wise. And the board got somewhat scary for AA,KK

- RIVER - Qd

I think the river is bad card to bluff, for villain because HERO range looks like Qxxx,KKxx,AAxx, both KK,AA combo's with spades, assuming HERO will fold the other combo's AA,KK combo's on the turn.

Why I think it's bad bluff card on the river
1) Expect villain to take his showdown value with Qx, it will be marginal to value shove with KQxx,QTxx.
2) Therefore it would be suicidal to bluff this card, because villain can almost always expect to get called by HERO, when HERO has like AQxx.

I would fold the river.

I like the video-series, however I would like to see more comments like "our range looks like straight 75xx-T7xx on the 986 mono flop, when u had the QJJ9dd , it's good spot for villain try to fold our straight. Villain could make a play with the Ad blocker" etc.

This forces me to think about my game, and why this was a good spot to bluff or to bluff-catch.

Understanding, experiencing, embracing variance...

I am learning the hard way.. tuiton fee.

@ junzhong loo, "Versus pretty agressive reg" described by the poster of this hand, I think that most aggressive players will cbet 44xx, Q4xx because of standard adjusments vs aggressive regulars is too bluff-raise or float in this spot. Given his flop action i am likely to discount 44xx,Q4xx I should have formulated better than exclude those hands.
When I have seen regulars take creative value-lines I will add these type of hands into their range, if haven't seen them take creative value lines. I think I can discount these hands from his range.

1) the flop is 4way and we can assume villain will adjust his cbet frequency /%.
2) K83r is a pretty dry flop villain can get away with a smaller betsize, with his whole range.

HERO's play I don't mind a raise on the flop there are lot of cards that can improve your equity, J,T,9,7,6, clubs, whereby u can apply pressure on villain.

HERO reps a range u nuts or air (backdoorequity) range.

Ofcourse stats give a good indication how someone plays. But if villain play's 16-12 than cbetting 70% is not that much. Stats are averages of villain's total play! U should threat them bit cautiously.

Given his flop action, I would exclude boats 44xx, Q4xx, from his range. I am not assuming villain will take this line with the K high flush draw, there is high probability that HERO has the nut FD and villain is building a pot, whereby villain is dominated. Maybe my assumption is wrong??

- Range villain, Qx, nut FD
- Airballs, with equity (broadways with backdoorstraightdraws)

Turn
I like a bet in this spot, protection/value bet from Qx. I am not afraid of getting check-raised in this spot.

River
I like to valuebet the river on 6, 4, T, and J, because of the blocker HERO has. Basically all rivers smaller than the 9, because I am assuming villain's openingrange from the SB consists of Q with high cards. SB ranges are
generally tighter.

The only hand i am bit afraid of is AhQxhx, to get most value out of bluffs/worse.

Given his flop play villain might put HERO on a airball, since HERO could have floated the flop and try to bluff turn/river.

Plug in there ranges play with this a little. It requires some time but by trail and error u will come a long way. Than u can figure out if u made the correct play.

http://www.propokertools.com/simulations

I think it's pretty standard play from the BB, if the BB assume the SB has a wide range and the BB villain only had 150$ to start the hand with. I think it's more important to take a note of the SB - 3betting Q862 no suit, being eff 250bb deep. And pots it with very vulnerable hand on Q42dd.

It's good strategy to be tight from the SB, since we are not making a lot of money from this position. But double suited AJ87 is must open and should be in our range. I don't mind flatting the 3bet OOP, there are lot of hands in villains range, which HERO dominates (draws etc).

As played, leading/3betting the flop is pretty cool play. Check-call flop, eventually turn/river, it all comes to down of having good post-flop reads.
- Capable of valuebetting light
- Merging this with bluffs, for example T98x in this hand.
- U have 2 blockers for JJxx,77xx, there is always an option to turn your hand into a bluff.
- I don't consider as well all of my options, which I regret sometimes ;).
It's though to play OOP vs a good opponent, although the wrong adjusment is to start playing scared.

Good post, OnceItrun!

It's nice to have little bit more info about BB 3bet flatting range vs the SB. I don't have much to add. And folding pre-flop is a bit nitty in my opinion. The only thing i want to add that its good for the BB villain to use his QQ - blockers. For example with KQQx, because i think in this spot HERO and SB will play relatively honest postflop.