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Very good point, I actually think its one of my major leaks, to try to rather sort of "get it in and hope" to simply avoid spots where I clearly have no clue what to do. Of course, that's simply human being :)

Would you recommend working with Monker to figure out what to do with mediocre holdings in 3bet pot or would that be too GTO based and not useful for PLO 200 population?

Dec. 14, 2018 | 1:53 p.m.

The problem I have lately is that if I flat AKKx, like I normally do, the population simply cbets basically any board texture for 3/4 pot and they don't really fold vs a jam. Because of that, it seems like my AKK range is still ahead of theirs even on J56 flops yet I don't feel confident getting it in or calling a flop bet with nothing but two backdoor draws.

That's why I thought it might be better to 4bet pre to avoid such spots and push the equity I have instead of folding equity on many flops? Is my assumption correct, that protecting my range at PLO 200 is not as much of a big deal?

Dec. 14, 2018 | 11:59 a.m.

I am playing 200 on Party and people squeeze QQ43ds, most ds KK and even T876ds. I have even seen a reg 4bet Ak85ss from UTG vs my 3bet from the blinds. Yesterday a guy, cold 4bet AQ88ds.

So if that happens, why wouldn't you want to 4bet AKK? Isn't AKK basically the same hand as AAk, if you are up against such a range as described above? Shouldn't we then probably even 4bet AQQJ, AQJJ and AJJT?

Dec. 14, 2018 | 8:05 a.m.

Interested, PM you already myself:

Dec. 14, 2018 | 8:02 a.m.

Post | Mystic posted in PLO: Importance of the red line

So I've seen this graph:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/cache.php?img=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F2de0e845d02817160ade20b304a3d3e9.png

I know, all that matters are the winnings or the bb/100. However, I really notice that my redline is often times simply terrible. I feel like the winrate almost lies in a decent redline. I guess it doesn't need to be positive all the time, but it shouldn't be negative either, right?

What are the biggest reasons for very bad redline?

Dec. 14, 2018 | 1:39 a.m.

Let's assume your opponents never fold vs a 4bet, would you still consider not 4betting some AA pre? What I mean is, the guys in my games are 3betting all sort of ds trash, such as J856ds, KQ45ds, etc. They even call 4bets with AQQ4ss.

However, all those trashy hands flop equity on many flops. So when holding AA24ss, or even AA23r, I wonder whether 4betting makes any sense or not as we are pushing roughly 60% equity on average. However, on the flop, I usually end up not pushing any equity at all but am instead often times behind or flipping.

So would you ever consider not 4betting bad AA vs maniacs 100bb deep and if you would anyway, at which stack depth would you just flat?

Dec. 12, 2018 | 9:25 p.m.

So I noticed that I lose a lot of money with very little equity in 4bet pots lately. The scenario is usually that I 4bet AA, often times bad AA, but what can we do preflop anyway?

I realize that flops, such as QKT, QJT, etc are very bad and should be check-folded or slow played in order to protect our range. However, what's the general rule for 4bet pots on somewhat bad board textures, such as J86 for example. Clearly, we are never favorite on them but there is so much money in the middle already and we stack off with 100bb deep. How do we handle those situations with 120bb+ stacks?

Are we actually meant to not 4bet weak AA 150+ bb deep?

Dec. 11, 2018 | 12:31 p.m.

Blinds: $1.00/$2.00 (5 Players) CO: $198.85
BN: $285.34
SB: $877.47
BB: $317.90
UTG: $246.00 (Hero)
Preflop ($3.00) Hero is UTG with 7 7 A A
2 folds, SB raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $18.00, SB calls $12.00
Flop ($36.00) J 5 8
SB checks, Hero bets $34.20, SB raises to $100.40, Hero raises to $228.00 and is all in, SB calls $127.60
Turn ($492.00) J 5 8 6
River ($492.00) J 5 8 6 9

Nov. 25, 2018 | 11:34 a.m.

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